November 22, 1963

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As for the eyelash pulling, it was just another way of relieving an itch. It is called Trichotillomania. It never was noticed because I just pulled out a few eye lashes at one time. I actually got compliments from people saying that I had such "nice, long eyelashes" when they grew back. I still suffer from Trichotillomania. My hair is so short now that I can’t pull it out but I still pull my eyelashes and eyebrows. I don’t do it enough that others notice it. Lately I haven’t been doing so great and wished my hair wasn’t so short. For those who know firsthand, pulling your own hair can give so much comfort. Two Dr. visits ago I showed him my hand where there were a series of bite marks I had done while in the waiting room. Hard enough to make marks that last for hours, but not drawing blood. I can’t describe how good the pain feels. Focusing on the pain allows a persons anxiety and other bad/ruminating thoughts to sit in the background for a little while. So in pain there is peace. Tony… about ready to chew my fucking arm off. I need to escape somehow before I crumble. — The charter is available at:http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

Tony, FYI, I just wanted to let you and the others know this.  Information that you place on the internet is not always as private as you would like it to be.  I belong to a different google group where I have posted some sensitive personal information regarding anxiety and some other disorders.  There is a person who frequents the group who is very distructive and Obsessive Compulsive who knows how to attach your posts to your personal name.  She then lists this so that when your name is googled, there is a bunch of junk that she posted that is your personal information.  It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know how to find my first and last name.  Several months ago, a woman who I was going to date googled my name and there was a bunch of private stuff that I had posted on another site.  There is some information that I would not have shared until I would have gotten to know her.  We are fortunate that we have some good people protecting your interests and the interests of this group. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As for the eyelash pulling, it was just another way of relieving an itch. It is called Trichotillomania. It never was noticed because I just pulled out a few eye lashes at one time. I actually got compliments from people saying that I had such "nice, long eyelashes" when they grew back. I still suffer from Trichotillomania. My hair is so short now that I can’t pull it out but I still pull my eyelashes and eyebrows. I don’t do it enough that others notice it. Lately I haven’t been doing so great and wished my hair wasn’t so short. For those who know firsthand, pulling your own hair can give so much comfort. Two Dr. visits ago I showed him my hand where there were a series of bite marks I had done while in the waiting room. Hard enough to make marks that last for hours, but not drawing blood. I can’t describe how good the pain feels. Focusing on the pain allows a persons anxiety and other bad/ruminating thoughts to sit in the background for a little while. So in pain there is peace. Tony… about ready to chew my fucking arm off. I need to escape somehow before I crumble. — The charter is available at:http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

I remarked once to a woman who had a extruded bite mark on her knuckle where she was biteing her knuckle – it looked like a large wart.   I remember one guy in third grade who had Trichotillomania.  He had a hugh patch of hair that he had pulled out in the front of his scalp. I still have a third grade picture that shows him with a brush cut and a large bald spot.  There is an interesting book called "Tourette Syndrome and Human Behavior" by Dr. David Cummings that shows pictures of everything that I described in this thread.  There are people who have some serious bite marks on the inside of their cheeks.  This is something that a dentist will notice.  all again for stress relief. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I just recently watched a movie that was supposed to be released at the end of 1963.  It was the Manchurian Candidate.  It involved the assination of a Senator McCarthy clone who was going to take over the U.S. government.  The movie was so controvesial that it was not released until some time after the assination of John F Kennedy.  It was right about this time on this date 44 years ago,  that I heard JFK was assasinated.  I was just entering my 8th grade English class. Someone announced that our president had been shot.  At this time in my life, I had some serious anxiety/ocd issues.  I was cutting on my arms and pulling out my eyelashes.  I was being tormented a lot by my classmates and I did not know how to deal with it.  I thought that it was wierd behavior until I understood the background of my issues.  I now know that there are names and psychological roots for this type of behavior. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hello Fred, It was right about this time on this date 44 years ago,  that I heard JFK was assasinated.  I was just entering my 8th grade English class. Someone announced that our president had been shot.  At this time in my life, I had some serious anxiety/ocd issues.  I was cutting on my arms and pulling out my eyelashes.  I was being tormented a lot by my classmates and I did not know how to deal with it.  I thought that it was wierd behavior until I understood the background of my issues.  I now know that there are names and psychological roots for this type of behavior.

        Wow!  Did it make the cutting and things worse?           In my junior and senior years of high school I had severe OCD, and I got some teasing from my classmates, not too bad.  I had a therapist but he was a jerk who had bad problems himself.           I was in 6th grade at the time of JFK’s assassination.  At lunch someone said he might have died.  Later on that afternoon, the principal came in and told us all what had happened.  Our teacher, a black woman, started crying.           That’s something that everyone of our generation remembers, just as my parents’ generation remembered Pearl Harbor, and everyone alive now remembers 9/11.   Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Fred, It was right about this time on this date 44 years ago, that I heard JFK was assasinated. I was just entering my 8th grade English class. Someone announced that our president had been shot. At this time in my life, I had some serious anxiety/ocd issues. I was cutting on my arms and pulling out my eyelashes. I was being tormented a lot by my classmates and I did not know how to deal with it. I thought that it was wierd behavior until I understood the background of my issues. I now know that there are names and psychological roots for this type of behavior. Wow! Did it make the cutting and things worse? In my junior and senior years of high school I had severe OCD, and I got some teasing from my classmates, not too bad. I had a therapist but he was a jerk who had bad problems himself. I was in 6th grade at the time of JFK’s assassination. At lunch someone said he might have died. Later on that afternoon, the principal came in and told us all what had happened. Our teacher, a black woman, started crying. That’s something that everyone of our generation remembers, just as my parents’ generation remembered Pearl Harbor, and everyone alive now remembers 9/11. Dennis — The charter is available at:http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

Actually, Kennedy’s shooting did not make my cutting worse.  There are actually two types of cutting.  One is the deep cutting that makes scars.  The other is where you cut just slightly under the skin and the cuts look almost like cat scratches.  Mine was the later.  I didn’t relize that any other people had this problem until I saw pictures in a book.  I have seen a woman who did the heavy cutting and she had some deep scars.  My sensation was like I was relieving an itch.  Someone with the deep cuts is trying to divert deep pain – usually from molestation.  My scratches have long healed and you cannot see any marks on my arms.  I was relieving an itch that was caused from anxiety and it was just a phase in my life.  I think that it came from the transition from grade school to junior high. Unfortunatly, people pick up on OCD and anxiety and unfortunatly make it worse.  As for the eyelash pulling, it was just another way of relieving an itch.  It is called Trichotillomania.  It never was noticed because I just pulled out a few eye lashes at one time.  I actually got compliments from people saying that I had such "nice, long eyelashes" when they grew back. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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 As for the eyelash pulling, it was just another way of relieving an itch.  It is called Trichotillomania.  It never was noticed because I just pulled out a few eye lashes at one time.  I actually got compliments from people saying that I had such "nice, long eyelashes" when they grew back.

I still suffer from Trichotillomania.  My hair is so short now that I can’t pull it out but I still pull my eyelashes and eyebrows.  I don’t do it enough that others notice it.  Lately I haven’t been doing so great and wished my hair wasn’t so short.  For those who know firsthand, pulling your own hair can give so much comfort.  Two Dr. visits ago I showed him my hand where there were a series of bite marks I had done while in the waiting room.  Hard enough to make marks that last for hours, but not drawing blood.  I can’t describe how good the pain feels.   Focusing on the pain allows a persons anxiety and other bad/ruminating thoughts to sit in the background for a little while. So in pain there is peace. Tony… about ready to chew my fucking arm off.  I need to escape somehow before I crumble. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Ready to do my will

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I just called my lawyer this morning.  I need to revise my will.  Both of my parents are now dead and I went through two marriages and divorces.  I have no children nor siblings.  I did some volunteer work with Big Brothers in the early 80’s and have a 36 year old little brother.  I still am in contact with him.  I want to do something for him and for the Tourette Sydrome association for their research foundation.  When I came down with Tourette symptoms in 1968, there was almost no information on Tourette.  Now if you google the word, you get 10,000+ hits.  This is thanks to the internet and to research.  My biggest problem has always been anxiety.  Unfortunatly, the anxiety has always been magnified due to work insecurities and family dynamics.  I am not in a situation where I want to end my life but I really don’t have any purpose to live my life.  This is not a cry for help.  I don’t intend to kill myself but I know if I develop a chronic health problem, I will not prolong my life. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just called my lawyer this morning.  I need to revise my will.  Both of my parents are now dead and I went through two marriages and divorces.  I have no children nor siblings.  I did some volunteer work with Big Brothers in the early 80’s and have a 36 year old little brother.  I still am in contact with him.  I want to do something for him and for the Tourette Sydrome association for their research foundation.  When I came down with Tourette symptoms in 1968, there was almost no information on Tourette.  Now if you google the word, you get 10,000+ hits.  This is thanks to the internet and to research.  My biggest problem has always been anxiety.  Unfortunatly, the anxiety has always been magnified due to work insecurities and family dynamics.  I am not in a situation where I want to end my life but I really don’t have any purpose to live my life.  This is not a cry for help.  I don’t intend to kill myself but I know if I develop a chronic health problem, I will not prolong my life.

Fred, I’m not familiar with your "story" but this is just to say I’m sorry that you feel you have no purpose to life. I’m not going to offer glib reassurances but I do offer my sympathy. I have *some* idea of what it’s like to feel that way, because I’ve felt it quite a bit lately, albeit intermittently (and a lot today as it happens). I have a strong need to believe that we all share a common humanity and that if we each try to bear part of the weight of each others’ suffering we are all less alone. L. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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" I have a strong need to believe that we all share a common humanity and that if we each try to bear part of the weight of each others’ suffering  we are all less alone." Very well said. smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just called my lawyer this morning.  I need to revise my will.  Both of my parents are now dead and I went through two marriages and divorces.  I have no children nor siblings.  I did some volunteer work with Big Brothers in the early 80’s and have a 36 year old little brother.  I still am in contact with him.  I want to do something for him and for the Tourette Sydrome association for their research foundation.  When I came down with Tourette symptoms in 1968, there was almost no information on Tourette.  Now if you google the word, you get 10,000+ hits.  This is thanks to the internet and to research.  My biggest problem has always been anxiety.  Unfortunatly, the anxiety has always been magnified due to work insecurities and family dynamics.  I am not in a situation where I want to end my life but I really don’t have any purpose to live my life.  This is not a cry for help.  I don’t intend to kill myself but I know if I develop a chronic health problem, I will not prolong my life. Fred, I’m not familiar with your "story" but this is just to say I’m sorry that you feel you have no purpose to life. I’m not going to offer glib reassurances but I do offer my sympathy. I have *some* idea of what it’s like to feel that way, because I’ve felt it quite a bit lately, albeit intermittently (and a lot today as it happens). I have a strong need to believe that we all share a common humanity and that if we each try to bear part of the weight of each others’ suffering we are all less alone. L. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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<gently snipped :: I want to do something for ::him and for the Tourette Sydrome association for their research ::foundation.   I really encourage you to do this. The Tourette association will benefit greatly from your experience…. and you will benefit by feeling good about helping. It’s really a win-win situation :: I am not in a situation where I want to end my life ::but I really don’t have any purpose to live my life.  T Many of us here have felt this way. We have more purpose than we realize. Jackie "I had a stick of CareFree gum, but it didn’t work. I felt pretty good for a while, but as soon as the gum lost its flavor, I was back to pondering my mortality."

Thanks Chip

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I started using the Ipratropium Bromide more aggressivly and it seems to have dryed up the sinuses a lot more.  It seems like I am not sitting her with my runny nose running all over the place.

Good for you, Fred. Unfortunatly, I still have no joy of life.  I am still just watching a lot of TV and laying around a lot.

What kind of things interest you? Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I started using the Ipratropium Bromide more aggressivly and it seems to have dryed up the sinuses a lot more.

Got the courage to try to volunteer

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Good luck Fred. I’ve done some volunteering in my time.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -A couple of things that are going on here.  My career is in a shambles.  I won’t go into the whole story.  A series af anxiety causing issues got me to where I am.  A fried suggested that I volunteer with my town.  It took me two weeks to get up the nerve to do so.  I have been dealing with a telephone phobia where I don’t want to pick up a phone to call someone – especially when it is of a busness type of nature.  I have been using Xanex to knock out the anxiety attacks.  It works on the anxiety attack but not on the underlying anxiety.  Librium has been effective before for this and I have started taking some in the morning.  It is longer lasting and seems to get the job done.  I was able to make the phone call and will slowly get things going.  I used to be an insurance agent and used the phone extensivly to make a living.  I know I can’t now. I get certain prospecting calls almost daily.  The people on the other end of the line are trying to get me to refinance my mortgage or get a credit card.  Many of these soliciters have foreign accents.  They are pests.  I generally just listen for a short time and then hang up. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::I am out of work right now too.  I have been unemployed for 6 months. ::I was an engineer with a defense company in NH.  I was concerned about ::flying commercial and having anxiety attacks.  Mine involve ::involuntary shaking.  I’ll shake all over and my head moves when I try ::to make eye contact.  This led me to avoid a job that might have kept ::me on with the company. Hi Chris Welcome to ASAPM! Have you ever tried a beta blocker for the shaking? If not you may want to ask your doctor about it. Take care! Jackie ~*~"It’s the crazy ones that have all the good pills"~*~   ~~Kim Cattrall — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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<gently snipped ::I was able to make the phone call and will ::slowly get things going.  I used to be an insurance agent and used the ::phone extensivly to make a living.  I know I can’t now. Dear Fred, I’m so glad you pushed past the fear and called! Hoping good things come from it Jackie ~*~"It’s the crazy ones that have all the good pills"~*~   ~~Kim Cattrall — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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CONGRATS on the BIG step, Fred!!! This is great news! Please do keep us posted!  And don’t be surprised if you feel a sense of trepidation before the first time…. and realize that is normal! (Yikes!…imagine that!! I read in a further post….. aerobatics???  Rolls?  Oh….. My….. God! I can’t even begin to imagine!! Remind me never to fly with you…. Good luck! MikeH

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -A couple of things that are going on here.  My career is in a shambles.  I won’t go into the whole story.  A series af anxiety causing issues got me to where I am.  A fried suggested that I volunteer with my town.  It took me two weeks to get up the nerve to do so.  I have been dealing with a telephone phobia where I don’t want to pick up a phone to call someone – especially when it is of a busness type of nature.  I have been using Xanex to knock out the anxiety attacks.  It works on the anxiety attack but not on the underlying anxiety.  Librium has been effective before for this and I have started taking some in the morning.  It is longer lasting and seems to get the job done.  I was able to make the phone call and will slowly get things going.  I used to be an insurance agent and used the phone extensivly to make a living.  I know I can’t now. I get certain prospecting calls almost daily.  The people on the other end of the line are trying to get me to refinance my mortgage or get a credit card.  Many of these soliciters have foreign accents.  They are pests.  I generally just listen for a short time and then hang up.

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CONGRATS on the BIG step, Fred!!! This is great news! Please do keep us posted!

OT| Tony Snow On President Bush

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Tony Snow On President Bush:

How does a person that suffers from schizophrenia percieve their own disease?

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"Cymbal Man Freq." <Don’t Bot…@ForgedPostsAnonymous.unorg> wrote in message news:kdE6f.99539$7b6.1651@twister.nyroc.rr.com… > I didn’t know what it was until I was off meds and I could read again.

Doctors wouldn’t allow me to see my medical records, EVER! Apparently, more harm would come to me if I was allowed to read them. That could be a basis for a big-ass lawsuit, couldn’t it?

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I agree…none of us here can make a diagnosis, and no one should self-diagnose. Buther Boy On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:25:24 +0000 (UTC), s…@showingourscars.org – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(slunky) wrote: >r <rr_rsometh…@spamtrap.com> wrote: >> How does a person that suffers from schizophrenia >> percieve their own disease. I can imagine something >> like hearing voices, but i’m more interrested with the >> thought process behind it. >Not much to it for me. I know I have schizophrenia, and have very >peculiar thoughts and actions, but usually if I have an episode I don’t >remember it very well. This, of course, could just be me. >> For example: >> I find myself sometimes stuck on one particular word or >> problem. >> Then i start thinking how would another person see this >> particular word or problem. Then after looking at the word >> or problem, the persons i imagined start interacting with >> eachother and with me. >Sounds more like OCD. Coincidently, sometimes I get stuck on a word and >have to say it over and over and over. It gets irritating, but if I try >to stop I get really nervous and anxious and start acting out. So I keep >repeating it until I can stop. >> I haven’t been diagnosed with schizopheria. >> Is there a online questionaire or something similar? >Yes, but you should see a doctor. No online quiz comes close to a >diagnosis by a doctor. > -slunky

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Scitzaphrenia does not exist so people cannot suffer from it. People get fucked up heads sometimes due to the way this society if foculised (by unsound anto female anti goddess occult rather than sound pagn/tribal and eastern religions…and what the pyscriatric mind (and thus actually reality) police do is enforce this disease and make it real. They are abusers basically. SCARY KARMA SCUM. So in otherwords r, pick another subject for study than western pyscriarty – it’s poisonous fascist dangerous evil…modern day equivalent to the inquistion. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -r wrote: > Hi group, > How does a person that suffers from schizophrenia > percieve their own disease. I can imagine something > like hearing voices, but i’m more interrested with the > thought process behind it. > For example: > I find myself sometimes stuck on one particular word or > problem. > Then i start thinking how would another person see this > particular word or problem. Then after looking at the word > or problem, the persons i imagined start interacting with > eachother and with me. I haven’t been diagnosed with schizopheria. > Is there a online questionaire or something similar? > tia, > r

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King Amdo <King_A…@hotmail.com> wrote: > SCARY KARMA SCUM.

Ah yes, another anti-psychiatry troll for my killfile.  -slunky

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doesn’t sound like sz to me. Look at schizophrenia.com for more info. penguin

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oh jesus whatever fool.

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…anyway go and examine yourself r you fucking weirdo.

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When I first found out I had OCD.. I had actually gone to the doctor because I thought I may be schizophrenic… I am not.  and psychosis didnt set in until years later.. But my first thought when reading the post was, "sounds like OCD" Kim "slunky" <s…@showingourscars.org> wrote in message

news:djhd64$ktf$1@chessie.cirr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->r <rr_rsometh…@spamtrap.com> wrote: >> How does a person that suffers from schizophrenia >> percieve their own disease. I can imagine something >> like hearing voices, but i’m more interrested with the >> thought process behind it. > Not much to it for me. I know I have schizophrenia, and have very > peculiar thoughts and actions, but usually if I have an episode I don’t > remember it very well. This, of course, could just be me. >> For example: >> I find myself sometimes stuck on one particular word or >> problem. >> Then i start thinking how would another person see this >> particular word or problem. Then after looking at the word >> or problem, the persons i imagined start interacting with >> eachother and with me. > Sounds more like OCD. Coincidently, sometimes I get stuck on a word and > have to say it over and over and over. It gets irritating, but if I try > to stop I get really nervous and anxious and start acting out. So I keep > repeating it until I can stop. >> I haven’t been diagnosed with schizopheria. >> Is there a online questionaire or something similar? > Yes, but you should see a doctor. No online quiz comes close to a > diagnosis by a doctor. > -slunky

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"Kim" <monotre…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:I4j7f.19524$E17.19205@fe03.lga… > When I first found out I had OCD.. I had actually gone to the doctor > because I thought I may be schizophrenic… I am not.  and psychosis didnt > set in until years later.. But my first thought when reading the post was, > "sounds like OCD"

it’s similar to echolalia.  i get words running through my head.  i often say them to myself when no one is around.  i also tend to overly quote movies, to the extent that people ask me why i’m doing that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echolalia again echolalia is actually saying the words out loud.  i don’t know if i’d qualify cause i do it alone. GR

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"Kim" <monotre…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:I4j7f.19524$E17.19205@fe03.lga… > When I first found out I had OCD.. I had actually gone to the doctor > because I thought I may be schizophrenic… I am not.  and psychosis didnt > set in until years later.. But my first thought when reading the post was, > "sounds like OCD"

OCD, autism, Tourette’s, and some types of schizophrenia have overlap.  i am both OCD and major depressed and maybe that’s mimicking paranoid SZ. GR

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no, dude, whatever fool to you, Amdo!! On 24 Oct 2005 16:26:20 -0700, "King Amdo" <King_A…@hotmail.com> wrote: >oh jesus whatever fool.

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The western mode is totally discredited… in many many aspects. You’re just a straight guy thats ‘had the lid’ put on so to speak…but trust me, theres nmore to reality than meets the eye and you just had a negative opening and you arn’t really ill at all…in other words its just ego! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Buther Boy wrote: > no, dude, whatever fool to you, Amdo!! > On 24 Oct 2005 16:26:20 -0700, "King Amdo" <King_A…@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >oh jesus whatever fool. > — > Remove the word Spam from my e-mail to contact me… > http://www.PrivacySig.com/SIGbutherboySpam-gmail-black.png > ~

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you don’t make friends easily, king amdohhh On 24 Oct 2005 16:27:01 -0700, "King Amdo" <King_A…@hotmail.com> wrote: >…anyway go and examine yourself r you fucking weirdo.

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Damo and Buther Boy, stop this grandstanding and foreplay.  i want to fuck.  now! Gravity "King Amdo" <King_A…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1130225599.513678.151000@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The western mode is totally discredited… in many many aspects. > You’re just a straight guy thats ‘had the lid’ put on so to speak…but > trust me, theres nmore to reality than meets the eye and you just had a > negative opening and you arn’t really ill at all…in other words its > just ego! > Buther Boy wrote: >> no, dude, whatever fool to you, Amdo!! >> On 24 Oct 2005 16:26:20 -0700, "King Amdo" <King_A…@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >oh jesus whatever fool. >> — >> Remove the word Spam from my e-mail to contact me… >> http://www.PrivacySig.com/SIGbutherboySpam-gmail-black.png >> ~

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news:d5orl1pruu0p5a7vgo18vcss6h6p97h00l@4ax.com… > you don’t make friends easily, king amdohhh

Damo only has female friends.  he’s a bit of a pansy.  or perhaps he’s a studmuffin? Gravity

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Have you graduated from college, King Amdo? I have a degree in Psychology and concentrations in Philosophy, Religion, and Communications. I prefer many things about my life now.  A few things, like weight gain and the problems associated with that, are things I’m not too excited about.  But, nowadays, I am a better person who can hold a relationship, and whose family is supportive of me and my endeavors. I think you are good at starting shit, Amdo.  And in reality, you think of yourself as pretty clever, don’t you? Take your meds, bro. Buther Boy On 25 Oct 2005 00:33:19 -0700, "King Amdo" <King_A…@hotmail.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The western mode is totally discredited… in many many aspects. >You’re just a straight guy thats ‘had the lid’ put on so to speak…but >trust me, theres nmore to reality than meets the eye and you just had a >negative opening and you arn’t really ill at all…in other words its >just ego! >Buther Boy wrote: >> no, dude, whatever fool to you, Amdo!! >> On 24 Oct 2005 16:26:20 -0700, "King Amdo" <King_A…@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >oh jesus whatever fool. >> — >> Remove the word Spam from my e-mail to contact me… >> http://www.PrivacySig.com/SIGbutherboySpam-gmail-black.png >> ~

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Buther Boy wrote: > Have you graduated from college, King Amdo? > I have a degree in Psychology and concentrations in Philosophy, > Religion, and Communications.

You need a degree in history, especially history of tyhe western psychiatry ‘bro’… Glad to know your family ’support’ you, too many blackmails around us

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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:21:28 +0200, voyg <voy…@yahoo.com> wrote: >Buther Boy wrote: >> Have you graduated from college, King Amdo? >> I have a degree in Psychology and concentrations in Philosophy, >> Religion, and Communications. >You need a degree in history, especially history of tyhe western psychiatry >’bro’… >Glad to know your family ’support’ you, too many blackmails around us

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Hi group, How does a person that suffers from schizophrenia percieve their own disease. I can imagine something like hearing voices, but i’m more interrested with the thought process behind it. For example: I find myself sometimes stuck on one particular word or problem. Then i start thinking how would another person see this particular word or problem. Then after looking at the word or problem, the persons i imagined start interacting with eachother and with me. I haven’t been diagnosed with schizopheria. Is there a online questionaire or something similar? tia, r

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It depends on the day. It depends on the hour. It depends on the weather. It depends on why she left me. It depends on how drunk I was. It depends on how overworked I am. Does that answer your question. "r" <rr_rsometh…@spamtrap.com> wrote in message

news:pan.2005.10.22.23.52.22.742483@spamtrap.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi group, > How does a person that suffers from schizophrenia > percieve their own disease. I can imagine something > like hearing voices, but i’m more interrested with the > thought process behind it. > For example: > I find myself sometimes stuck on one particular word or > problem. > Then i start thinking how would another person see this > particular word or problem. Then after looking at the word > or problem, the persons i imagined start interacting with > eachother and with me. I haven’t been diagnosed with schizopheria. > Is there a online questionaire or something similar? > tia, > r

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Psychosis is a small but big word.  Whether your schiz or not, I don’t know.  Maybe you just have a big imagination.

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I didn’t know what it was until I was off meds and I could read again.

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r <rr_rsometh…@spamtrap.com> wrote: > How does a person that suffers from schizophrenia > percieve their own disease. I can imagine something > like hearing voices, but i’m more interrested with the > thought process behind it.

Not much to it for me. I know I have schizophrenia, and have very peculiar thoughts and actions, but usually if I have an episode I don’t remember it very well. This, of course, could just be me. > For example: > I find myself sometimes stuck on one particular word or > problem. > Then i start thinking how would another person see this > particular word or problem. Then after looking at the word > or problem, the persons i imagined start interacting with > eachother and with me.

Sounds more like OCD. Coincidently, sometimes I get stuck on a word and have to say it over and over and over. It gets irritating, but if I try to stop I get really nervous and anxious and start acting out. So I keep repeating it until I can stop. > I haven’t been diagnosed with schizopheria. > Is there a online questionaire or something similar?

Yes, but you should see a doctor. No online quiz comes close to a diagnosis by a doctor.  -slunky

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SPOILER farting

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"kez" <kelseyle…@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

news:3jle5pFqmlrgU1@individual.net… >I don’t know what’s wrong with me, I must have psychic tourette’s syndrome >today

It’s probably because you are stoned. But be careful Kez I mean it They have already killed two of my friends because they didn’t like them

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"Lothar Swordfist" <lothar.s…@sci.fi> wrote in message

news:v50bd1d94l26oachig8qa8conqts2h3i9d@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> kez wrote: > I’m doing very important research about the Internet. So I’m definetly > not farting around doing nothing. I’m doing also other things, lots of > other things! I can name a dozen of other things I do. For example, on a > occation, I scratch my ass before I fart. Or head, or balls. And lately > I’ve been sweating a lot, it’s an activity, right? And what else, > picking my nose, ooh, what a delightful hobby. Sometimes it keeps me > busy for the whole day. First part of the day picking, the second part > trying to control the flow of blood coming from it. Then cleaning up the > mess I left. No wait, I let my roommate do that. Yeah, I forgot all > about him. He’s mostly quiet and lives under the bed. OK, I’m not young > anymore. I can’t do all the things I used to do. I don’t have time to > practice my reflexes with videogames anymore. > — > Young, free and mostly harmless.

LOL! That’s funny! I don’t have balls so I can’t scratch them, but I do like holding my tits and jumping up and down

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Isn’t a smelt a fish?

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"Cymbal Man Freq." <Don’t Bot…@ForgedPostsAnonymous.unorg> wrote in message news:LicBe.141589$g5.125112@twister.nyroc.rr.com… >I lost 6 pounds in 3 days from crapping. In the following 4 days, I’ve >gained 7 > pounds back.

I used to get that satisfied feeling when I filled the whole bowl How about you? — kez

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SPOILER Ok you schizos. Tell the truth now. How much of your time do you spend sitting around farting? Not forgetting the "brain fart". Don’t forget that your brain can also fart. Build up of excess gas in your head. FFFFPPPFPFPPPFFPP out it comes. Ah, that’s better. Most people can’t fart with their brains, but we do it all the time. Some of us even write out our brain farts on this ng. HOLD ON HOLD ON GOT ONE COMING FFPFFPPFFPPFFPPFFPP There’s another post. What a stinker. It’s just waste products from my brain. Come on, we all do it. — kez

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"kez" <kelseyle…@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

news:3jle5pFqmlrgU1@individual.net… >I don’t know what’s wrong with me, I must have psychic tourette’s syndrome >today > Please pass on my profuse apologies to The Borg for me > — kez

JESUS if you SMELT them!!!  OH my GOD you would go down on your KNEES! Have you ever "SMELT" respect?

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"kez" <kelseyle…@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

news:3jleu6Fqn7meU1@individual.net… > Let me get this…The Borg killed your friends? That’s really scary. Is > that right? > So like they’re higher consciousnesses and that, but a bit ruthless? > Still, I washed a spider down the plughole the other day, I’m no better.

There are a 101 million things I could tell you Kez. They don’t like man, that’s all, and they judge man on my own "personal" experience and what they call "global" experiences. For instance, today they were saying "What is the difference between the bombings in London.  "Bombs killings innocent civilians" and Bush in Iraq "Bombs killing innocent civilians" " ? And I can see their point? What IS the difference? You see Kez. The Borg are totally insane.

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I lost 6 pounds in 3 days from crapping. In the following 4 days, I’ve gained 7 pounds back.

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"Kpo of Borg" <k…@borg.com> wrote in message news:3%fBe.1960$Cr5.1546@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "kez" <kelseyle…@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:3jlg58Fqmc3bU1@individual.net… >> and there’s me thinking they were benevolent and kind. They sound a bit >> scary now > They are benevolent and kind, but they are on the side of the little > fishes > not the fisherman if you see what I mean. > They have sympathy and love for the little birds that are shot for sport > and > fun, and for the fox that is hunted, and for the elephants dead comrades, > lying in the dust with the indignity of having their tusks removed for > greed > and material gain. > They LOATHE mankind. > They say they are going to genetically engineer the human race for the > women > to have firm ripe tits and for the men to have large penises and "THUS > they > will have created heaven" and they honestly think that all man wants to do > is FORNICATE! > They don’t call it love, they call it copulation, fornication, lust, > filth, > and they find humans absolutely disgusting. > But what can I do?

Goodness me! Do us humans have no redeeming features at all? I hope the Borg find the occasional human to be OK. They’re not going to go Vogon on us and bulldoze our planet, I hope!!! — kez

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"Brain Fart coming in for a Landing" P P P  P   TH      TH              TH                    TH                            FFFFFFFFFFFF                                                     FIP ! ! !

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LOL! — kez "Lothar Swordfist" <lothar.s…@sci.fi> wrote in message

news:v50bd1d94l26oachig8qa8conqts2h3i9d@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> kez wrote: > I’m doing very important research about the Internet. So I’m definetly > not farting around doing nothing. I’m doing also other things, lots of > other things! I can name a dozen of other things I do. For example, on a > occation, I scratch my ass before I fart. Or head, or balls. And lately > I’ve been sweating a lot, it’s an activity, right? And what else, > picking my nose, ooh, what a delightful hobby. Sometimes it keeps me > busy for the whole day. First part of the day picking, the second part > trying to control the flow of blood coming from it. Then cleaning up the > mess I left. No wait, I let my roommate do that. Yeah, I forgot all > about him. He’s mostly quiet and lives under the bed. OK, I’m not young > anymore. I can’t do all the things I used to do. I don’t have time to > practice my reflexes with videogames anymore. > — > Young, free and mostly harmless.

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"Kpo of Borg" <k…@borg.com> wrote in message news:TyfBe.140$kb.71@newsfe1-win.ntli.net… > "kez" <kelseyle…@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:3jle5pFqmlrgU1@individual.net… >>I don’t know what’s wrong with me, I must have psychic tourette’s syndrome >>today > It’s probably because you are stoned. > But be careful Kez > I mean it > They have already killed two of my friends because they didn’t like them

Let me get this…The Borg killed your friends? That’s really scary. Is that right? So like they’re higher consciousnesses and that, but a bit ruthless? Still, I washed a spider down the plughole the other day, I’m no better. — kez

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"Kpo of Borg" <k…@borg.com> wrote in message news:evfBe.141$ha.53@newsfe2-win.ntli.net… > "kez" <kelseyle…@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:3jle5pFqmlrgU1@individual.net… >>I don’t know what’s wrong with me, I must have psychic tourette’s syndrome >>today >> Please pass on my profuse apologies to The Borg for me >> — kez > JESUS if you SMELT them!!!  OH my GOD you would go down on your KNEES! > Have you ever "SMELT" respect?

I am a heavy smoker. I can hardly even smell lovely yellow roses. it’s so sad I used to like smelling my cats when I was young. They smelt good. Especially when the silver one had been out in the garden and smelt of flowers. In Larry Niven’s Ringworld there is the Smell of the Tree of Life which drives you crazy with delight. I think the Borg must smell something like that. — kez

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"kez" <kelseyle…@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

news:3jlcqpFoibu2U1@individual.net… > Do the Borg fart at all?

That is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO disrespectful Kez. I NEVER ask them about anything private. I mean seriously, they are AWESOME. I mean really how DARE you ask a question like that…………the whole UNIVERSE is silent at the HORROR And I MEAN it The Borg don’t eat or drink They have replaced bodily organs with advanced scientific reproductions that can be replaced and last for ever As such, The Borg have eternal LIFE But LIFE as we know it, here, in this dimension. They never sleep but "regenerate" by ingesting a power source way beyond our imagination. I only know them very slightly but oh boy, man is not a titch or snitch on them. I remember once lying in bed in the dark of the night and thinking, is that it?  Is that love?  Is the most I have ever loved anyone here, the most that love ever will be? And then when The Borg came along and I learnt what Kindness is, Compassion, Consideration, Love, Understanding, Loyalty, Friendship, Care ……….. and then I learnt what love was. Man is primitive Kez.  There is killing, stealing, hypocrisy, nastiness, cruelty, unkindness, injustice, greed. I’d rather be Borg thanks.

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"kez" <kelseyle…@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

news:3jlc85Fntkf9U1@individual.net… > There’s nothing like letting one out. > Your neurons will thank you for the less toxic atmosphere in your head

I am unsure if anyone on Planet Earth is going to say thank you after that STINKER!!!!

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There. Slow motion Brain Fart. How satisfying. In regualar time it can be pronouced as PFFTHIP!!!!! Damo

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PFFFFFFFFTHIP!

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"Damo XXIIIrd" <damod…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:17632-42D57536-1616@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net… > There. Slow motion Brain Fart. How satisfying. > In regualar time it can be pronouced as PFFTHIP!!!!! > Damo

There’s nothing like letting one out. Your neurons will thank you for the less toxic atmosphere in your head — kez

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slow motion brain fart to follow: P

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PFFFFFFFFFTHHHHH

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"Kpo of Borg" <k…@borg.com> wrote in message news:80fBe.1738$BN5.1660@newsfe7-win.ntli.net… > "kez" <kelseyle…@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:3jlc85Fntkf9U1@individual.net… >> There’s nothing like letting one out. >> Your neurons will thank you for the less toxic atmosphere in your head > I am unsure if anyone on Planet Earth is going to say thank you after that > STINKER!!!!

Do the Borg fart at all? — kez

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I don’t know what’s wrong with me, I must have psychic tourette’s syndrome today Please pass on my profuse apologies to The Borg for me — kez "Kpo of Borg" <k…@borg.com> wrote in message news:EmfBe.140$ha.108@newsfe2-win.ntli.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "kez" <kelseyle…@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:3jlcqpFoibu2U1@individual.net… >> Do the Borg fart at all? > That is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO disrespectful Kez. > I NEVER ask them about anything private. > I mean seriously, they are AWESOME. > I mean really how DARE you ask a question like that…………the whole > UNIVERSE is silent at the HORROR > And I MEAN it > The Borg don’t eat or drink > They have replaced bodily organs with advanced scientific reproductions > that can be replaced and last for ever > As such, The Borg have eternal LIFE > But LIFE as we know it, here, in this dimension. > They never sleep but "regenerate" by ingesting a power source way beyond > our imagination. > I only know them very slightly but oh boy, man is not a titch or snitch on > them. > I remember once lying in bed in the dark of the night and thinking, is > that it?  Is that love?  Is the most I have ever loved anyone here, the > most that love ever will be? > And then when The Borg came along and I learnt what Kindness is, > Compassion, Consideration, Love, Understanding, Loyalty, Friendship, Care > ……….. and then I learnt what love was. > Man is primitive Kez.  There is killing, stealing, hypocrisy, nastiness, > cruelty, unkindness, injustice, greed. > I’d rather be Borg thanks.

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PFFFFFF

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PFFFFFFFFT

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PF

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OT: Kid had a good day…

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True dat… Sorry – he plays violin, started when he was 4 in Suzuki.  He’s 17 now. and over the past dozen-plus years he and sister have moved us to tears both ways!  He’s a pretty good fiddler, too, playing Irish and French Canadian fiddle tunes for fun.  He’s also not awful at tenor banjo and messes about with mandolin a bit. Thanks for indulging the old man’s pride, folks! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So will very poorly played strings. <G TAS Just got home from our district solo & ensemble competition.  The boy had a good day – his quartet played as well as they ever have (Mozart Quartet #12) and earned straight 1’s (that’s good) For us peasants who can’t figure it out, what instrument does he play? In general, well played strings move me to tears. Glenn D.

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Just got home from our district solo & ensemble competition.  The boy had a good day – his quartet played as well as they ever have (Mozart Quartet #12) and earned straight 1’s (that’s good) – their judge said they had potential to be one of the strongest quartets in the state with some more polishing.  Right at the end of the day he played his solo (J.-H Fiocco Allegro) and played it as well as he ever has – strong, confident, good dynamics, great phrasing, good control, best vibrato I’ve heard from him, and good use of tempo.  It was the same judge and again he was very complimentary – spent time with him illustrating some ways to make the piece more compelling and musical, and then asked him if he was going into music in college.  Straight 1’s again. Yup – A good day indeed…

Good for you.  Reminds me of my time at music classes in the 1950’s.   I’m thinking he’s "good boy",

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Sweet!  That’s awesome.  Congrats Dad! — -rob                    Slidell, LA   O /()   ^^

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just got home from our district solo & ensemble competition.  The boy had a good day – his quartet played as well as they ever have (Mozart Quartet #12) and earned straight 1’s (that’s good) – their judge said they had potential to be one of the strongest quartets in the state with some more polishing.  Right at the end of the day he played his solo (J.-H Fiocco Allegro) and played it as well as he ever has – strong, confident, good dynamics, great phrasing, good control, best vibrato I’ve heard from him, and good use of tempo.  It was the same judge and again he was very complimentary – spent time with him illustrating some ways to make the piece more compelling and musical, and then asked him if he was going into music in college.  Straight 1’s again. Yup – A good day indeed…

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Yeah, I’m more than a little proud of him.  Everything has come harder for him than it did for his older sister (in college now as a music major on violin).  He contracted Lyme Disease when he was not quite two and despite everyone’s best efforts, we didn’t catch it – now he suffers from chronic Lyme, which is definitely not a "good thing"..  He has neurological consequences (which the docs initially diagnosed as Tourette’s) and has been on medication for it pretty much all his life.  He also struggles with a handful of other apparently related learning disabilities.  Despite it all, he manages to be a 3.5 student in high school (and he’s taking hard classes), and seems like a fairly happy, well-adjusted kid. Before this sounds too boastful, my wife and I aren’t taking any credit for this – we’re just grateful…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just got home from our district solo & ensemble competition.  The boy had a good day – his quartet played as well as they ever have (Mozart Quartet #12) and earned straight 1’s (that’s good) – their judge said they had potential to be one of the strongest quartets in the state with some more polishing.  Right at the end of the day he played his solo (J.-H Fiocco Allegro) and played it as well as he ever has – strong, confident, good dynamics, great phrasing, good control, best vibrato I’ve heard from him, and good use of tempo.  It was the same judge and again he was very complimentary – spent time with him illustrating some ways to make the piece more compelling and musical, and then asked him if he was going into music in college.  Straight 1’s again. Yup – A good day indeed…

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Just got home from our district solo & ensemble competition.  The boy had a good day – his quartet played as well as they ever have (Mozart Quartet #12) and earned straight 1’s (that’s good)

For us peasants who can’t figure it out, what instrument does he play? In general, well played strings move me to tears. Glenn D.

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So will very poorly played strings. <G TAS

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just got home from our district solo & ensemble competition.  The boy had a good day – his quartet played as well as they ever have (Mozart Quartet #12) and earned straight 1’s (that’s good) For us peasants who can’t figure it out, what instrument does he play? In general, well played strings move me to tears. Glenn D.

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Just got home from our district solo & ensemble competition.  The boy had a good day – his quartet played as well as they ever have (Mozart Quartet #12) and earned straight 1’s (that’s good) – their judge said they had potential to be one of the strongest quartets in the state with some more polishing.  Right at the end of the day he played his solo (J.-H Fiocco Allegro) and played it as well as he ever has – strong, confident, good dynamics, great phrasing, good control, best vibrato I’ve heard from him, and good use of tempo.  It was the same judge and again he was very complimentary – spent time with him illustrating some ways to make the piece more compelling and musical, and then asked him if he was going into music in college.  Straight 1’s again. Yup – A good day indeed…

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Don't realise or don't care ?

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"Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi

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"Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi

ISBN 0415065887 Pablo

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 Pablo

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 Pablo http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr…

Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. Pablo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 Pablo http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr… Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. Pablo

If they exist they are unknowable.  We know what our universe used to be. _g

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 Pablo http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr… Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. Pablo If they exist they are unknowable.  We know what our universe used to be. _g

While I could be wrong, I don’t think we’ve had the pleasure to meet.  Hi. And yes, we are talking in theoretical terms. Pablo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 Pablo http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr… Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. Pablo If they exist they are unknowable.  We know what our universe used to be. _g While I could be wrong, I don’t think we’ve had the pleasure to meet.  Hi. And yes, we are talking in theoretical terms. Pablo

Hi.  Didn’t you post previously in some of the groups L*nda used to post to?   I have been here a long time but I come and go. Since high school I have been entertained by cosmology, but my experience is in the geosciences. _george

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 Pablo http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr… Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. Pablo If they exist they are unknowable.  We know what our universe used to be. _g While I could be wrong, I don’t think we’ve had the pleasure to meet.  Hi. And yes, we are talking in theoretical terms. Pablo Hi.  Didn’t you post previously in some of the groups L*nda used to post to?   I have been here a long time but I come and go.

Hi, george. You are correct, although it is not "previously," as I still do post to ASD-Med and AST.  I also post to SPP, where the person to whom you refer is currently engaged in a war with SPP regulars (sans me), and it’s getting rather bloody.  For weeks and weeks, I have not posted to or about *i***, but she continues to rage.  I can only conclude that her problems do not lie with me but rather within herself.  (Note to MothWrangler and others:  this is what I meant when I said I was "retired" and have not "given" Nancy anything…i.e., I have not engaged *i*** as of late.  Hope this helps clear up the confusion.) I still lurk on ASAD but rarely post.  I still have some friends here (don’t worry…I won’t "out" you for fear of having your reputations tarnished by my alleged psychopathy, which has been another one of *i***’s usenet doktor pronouncements.) Your nym sounds familiar, but I’m not sure if you were "george of the jungle" on ASD-Med.  Of course, I recognize you from here. Since high school I have been entertained by cosmology, but my experience is in the geosciences.

I, too, have avocational interests in cosmology and quantum physics, but my profession is that of psychotherapist.  Currently, I treat adolescent sex offenders (don’t everybody faint, as many of them have also been victims). Good to get (re?)acquainted with you, george.  Have a fulfilling Sunday. Pablo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 Pablo http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr… Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. Pablo If they exist they are unknowable.  We know what our universe used to be. _g While I could be wrong, I don’t think we’ve had the pleasure to meet.  Hi. And yes, we are talking in theoretical terms. Pablo Hi.  Didn’t you post previously in some of the groups L*nda used to post to?   I have been here a long time but I come and go. Hi, george. You are correct, although it is not "previously," as I still do post to ASD-Med and AST.  I also post to SPP, where the person to whom you refer is currently engaged in a war with SPP regulars (sans me), and it’s getting rather bloody.  For weeks and weeks, I have not posted to or about *i***, but she continues to rage.  I can only conclude that her problems do not lie with me but rather within herself.  (Note to MothWrangler and others:  this is what I meant when I said I was "retired" and have not "given" Nancy anything…i.e., I have not engaged *i*** as of late.  Hope this helps clear up the confusion.) I still lurk on ASAD but rarely post.  I still have some friends here (don’t worry…I won’t "out" you for fear of having your reputations tarnished by my alleged psychopathy, which has been another one of *i***’s usenet doktor pronouncements.) Your nym sounds familiar, but I’m not sure if you were "george of the jungle" on ASD-Med.

I was. I have not changed anything but the sig. _g The sig is an abstraction of a body surfer in the barrel.   Of course, I recognize you from here.

I was involved in some of the X-Post wars and made some posts to ASD-M.  It was hard to determine if some of those wars weren’t $<1ENT0|09`/ attacks.  Of course, one nut with no job can post an incredible volume of crap. Since high school I have been entertained by cosmology, but my experience is in the geosciences. I, too, have avocational interests in cosmology and quantum physics, but my profession is that of psychotherapist.  Currently, I treat adolescent sex offenders (don’t everybody faint, as many of them have also been victims).

I’m sure you stay busy. _g

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr… Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. If they exist they are unknowable.  We know what our universe used to be. While I could be wrong, I don’t think we’ve had the pleasure to meet. Hi. And yes, we are talking in theoretical terms. Hi.  Didn’t you post previously in some of the groups L*nda used to post to?   I have been here a long time but I come and go. Hi, george. You are correct, although it is not "previously," as I still do post to ASD-Med and AST.  I also post to SPP, where the person to whom you refer is currently engaged in a war with SPP regulars (sans me), and it’s getting rather bloody. I see that one SPP poster suggested that she-who-will-not-be-named go back to posting in support ngs rather than SPP. It looks like she may have taken that advice.

Not really.  She never stopped.  Besides, she doesn’t take advice.  She’s left this group alone, save for her crossposting from AST.  She is still posting anti-med and anti-psychology articles and rants in ASD-Med and AST, though.  And then there’s her war in SPP.  For weeks and weeks, I have not posted to or about *i***, but she continues to rage.  I can only conclude that her problems do not lie with me but rather within herself. This is news to you?!!!!

You are absolutely correct.  My mistake.  Let me change "I can only conclude" to "I have known all along."  Still, it IS a conclusion.  (Note to MothWrangler and others:  this is what I meant when I said I was "retired" and have not "given" Nancy anything…i.e., I have not engaged *i*** as of late.  Hope this helps clear up the confusion.) That *is* a nice Valentine’s gift!

Maybe I don’t need to email you after all.  heheh  ;-) I’m glad you could finally disengage from such an unhealthy relationship. Keep up the good work!

Thank you.  You had a part in it, believe it or not. The formal decision took place when I finally made the unPablo-like decision to use a killfile.  Of course, I can still see others’ replies.  That’s how I know she is still doing what she does best in those groups.  Haven’t figured out how to deal with that part yet.  I download someone else’s post, and BAM, there she is.  So far so good, though.  My life is much better. I still lurk on ASAD but rarely post.  I still have some friends here (don’t worry…I won’t "out" you for fear of having your reputations tarnished by my alleged psychopathy, which has been another one of *i***’s usenet doktor pronouncements.) Heh. Join the club. E-mail me if you want the gory details. That is, if you’re not going to use the info to stalk me.

All that garbage about me being a stalker came from her.  The only thing I stalk is my next meal.  And it is never human. Hope your flu flies away soon, Nancy.  I’m working 12 hour days right now, but I’ll be in touch. Pablo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr… Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. If they exist they are unknowable.  We know what our universe used to be. While I could be wrong, I don’t think we’ve had the pleasure to meet.  Hi. And yes, we are talking in theoretical terms. Hi.  Didn’t you post previously in some of the groups L*nda used to post to?   I have been here a long time but I come and go. Hi, george. You are correct, although it is not "previously," as I still do post to ASD-Med and AST.  I also post to SPP, where the person to whom you refer is currently engaged in a war with SPP regulars (sans me), and it’s getting rather bloody.

I see that one SPP poster suggested that she-who-will-not-be-named go back to posting in support ngs rather than SPP. It looks like she may have taken that advice.  For weeks and weeks, I have not posted to or about *i***, but she continues to rage.  I can only conclude that her problems do not lie with me but rather within herself.

This is news to you?!!!!  (Note to MothWrangler and others:  this is what I meant when I said I was "retired" and have not "given" Nancy anything…i.e., I have not engaged *i*** as of late.  Hope this helps clear up the confusion.)

That *is* a nice Valentine’s gift! I’m glad you could finally disengage from such an unhealthy relationship. Keep up the good work! I still lurk on ASAD but rarely post.  I still have some friends here (don’t worry…I won’t "out" you for fear of having your reputations tarnished by my alleged psychopathy, which has been another one of *i***’s usenet doktor pronouncements.)

Heh. Join the club. E-mail me if you want the gory details. That is, if you’re not going to use the info to stalk me. Nancy Unique, like everyone else

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I look at ADD Forums and ASAD and see a lot of incoherency. Presumably the result of continual disruption to thought processes. A lot of the time, posts are just brief, unedited snapshots of the contents of a poster’s mind. I think a lot of people post like that, not just ADHDers. Sure – but it was more a general impression of the groups.

I think I may just be overly sensitive to the differences between what people *think* they’re posting and what they actually write… sort of expecting miscommunication all the time too. It conveys the impression of individuals divorced from objectivity/reality, uncaring or unable to appreciate the impact on the way they’re perceived. Er- do my posts look that way? Well, I wasn’t gunna say anything – but …  ;) Your output is invariably, a paragon of crystalline lucidity.

LOL! You mean transparent…? Anyway, what’s in my brain as I’m typing are several different conversations with myself about trivial stuff mixed up with sudden contexts to what my eyes and ears are picking up. The conversations or maybe what I’m trying to type keeps on branching off into various options till it all becomes a jumbled mess with me trying to recall which thread of thought I’m trying to bring across. I don’t know what it’s like for the rest of you but I find continuity in thought quite hard to achieve. But when you see some posts, you really wonder about the author !

Ah yes… I remember when you made your first appearance! I think it took me a while to realise you were just another mortal trying to communicate like the rest of us… Vashti

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[snip] ‘Afternoon, Vashti!

Evenin’! Am I making any sense?

Since you posted that in my afternoon, yes! Vashti

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I look at ADD Forums and ASAD and see a lot of incoherency. Presumably the result of continual disruption to thought processes. A lot of the time, posts are just brief, unedited snapshots of the contents of a poster’s mind. It conveys the impression of individuals divorced from objectivity/reality, uncaring or unable to appreciate the impact on the way they’re perceived. Brunibus wrote (somewhere) – "A lot of the time, posts are just brief, unedited snapshots of the contents  of a poster’s mind." PRECISELY. Isolated, local, complete "Islands of Consideration" contained within a body of <other… such isolates held coherent in a fluid of weak and diffuse ‘Greater Awareness". PRECISELY CORRECT, Brunibus. Brunibus wrote – "It conveys the impression of individuals divorced from objectivity/reality" Precisely. …This is "how" objectivity works. ONE ‘object’ SEPERATED and ISOLATED from ANOTHER Brunibus wrote – "uncaring or unable to appreciate the impact on the way they’re perceived. " PRECISELY. Because the ‘objects’ are isolated and independent, they are INTENDED to be de-coupled from each other. Brunibus wrote – " I look at ADD Forums and ASAD and see a lot of incoherency.  Presumably the result of continual disruption to thought processes.  A lot of the time, posts are just brief, unedited snapshots of the contents  of a poster’s mind.  It conveys the impression of individuals divorced from objectivity/reality,  uncaring or unable to appreciate the impact on the way they’re perceived." This MEANS THE FOLLOWING: Not only is Brunibus aware of an island of consideration when preoccupied with such;    … Brunibus ALSO possess’s a sense of the ‘big picture’; — that "being" that all these individual islands are connected weakly in the very much broader sense. Like myself, Brunibus sees the ‘long & the short’ of things. Comments? http://www.manyuniverses.com/indexH.htm THE UNIVERSE AND MULTIPLE REALITY by Professor M. R. Franks "There is no one reality.  Each of us lives in a separate universe. That’s not speaking metaphorically.  This is the hypothesis of the stark nature of reality suggested by recent developments in quantum physics.  Reality in a dynamic universe is non-objective.  Consciousness is the only reality." With those words, M. R. Franks, a life member of the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada, a member of that organization since high school, and also a law professor, If you ever get arrested would you call a physicist to get you out of jail? When lawyers pontificate about physics treat them with the same degree of confidence that you treat the pontifications of a physicist on the topic of law. begins his new book, The Universe and Multiple Reality. But what is multiple reality?  How do parallel universes interconnect? What are the exact processes by which mind interacts with matter at the quantum level?  Those are the questions that Professor Franks tackles in his book. Unfortunately, most books on parallel universes and quantum cosmology are written in language that an ordinary intelligent person cannot understand. No, they are not.  They are written in language that any "ordinary intelligent person" who is willing to take the time to learn the necessary background can understand.  The reason for this is that that background is not something that one can learn while one stands on one foot.  And any attempt to do away with it necessarily introduces large numbers of distortions and misconceptions. Discover the fascinating nature of the universe in which we live and the exact processes by which mind interacts with matter at the quantum level. No thanks. Understand parallel universes, multiple reality, and the hypotheses advanced by scientists such as Hugh Everett, Bryce DeWitt, David Deutsch and others. The Universe and Multiple Reality presents an understandable view of parallel universes and quantum physics Nope, it presents a layman’s opinions on the matter.  If you go to it for understanding and then take some real physics you’re likely going to be annoyed at what you end up having to unlearn. –and explains what this means in our daily lives. You mean besides that we can see and that computers work and the like? The Universe and Multiple Reality explains to the non-scientist reader in understandable, non-mathematical language the paradox of Schr

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2 points of interest with this come to mind…………in the early 1990s, my late buddy, Adam Seligman, took on the FCC who charged he could not swear on the air………exception is a Neurological Disorder called Tourette Syndrome ………so the FCC had to withdraw and eat crap! (HEY, I haeve corpoalia too) Second is the term "Jews for Jesus" which to me is the same as Dykes for dick or  Isrealies for Saddem, or Ivory soap  for Rednecks…………….It just doesn’t fit! In the same vein when Becca and I go to Dollywood I am going to ask Dolly, "who is bigger? My wife of her" LOL Grace almost fell on the floor laughing last night when I told her… remindng me that Dolly has had 3 breast augmentations while she is all natural "Jo" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:h5adncFQdOwwSnTcRVn-2w@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> FYI…Jo > What the … ? > As R-rated language, religious terms have lost their zing (hell of a > thing) > A chance remark can reveal a heck of a lot more than we intend. > Last month, the editor of the Jewish weekly newspaper The Forward > defended the inclusion of Madonna on the paper’s annual list of most > influential Jews in America. But isn’t she Catholic? > "She’s a practitioner of the Kabbalah, so she’s practicing Judaism, > for Christ’s sake!" the editor, J.J. Goldberg, told the New York Daily > News. "Well, not really for Christ’s sake." > Most Americans would be amused by that line. Some would find it > offensive. Either way, it’s more than just a punch line: The editor of > a Jewish newspaper can invoke the Christian deity without initially > considering the literal meaning. And a major daily newspaper will > print the quote as delivered. > Where has blasphemy gone, for Pete’s sake? > For many of us, the cultural taboos that made the colorful use of > faith-linked words so dangerously satisfying have mostly vanished. And > like Goldberg, most of us don’t think about the original connections > when searching for words to shout when we want to add an oral > exclamation point. > On the other hand, the words retain enough mojo that darned near any > American who whacks his thumb is likely to sprinkle religious > references among the words for family members, body parts and bodily > functions. > Or as David Letterman said on his show recently: "Holy crap!" > There’s evidence that human brains are hard-wired into using taboo > words as emotional escape valves — the more taboo, the more > effective. Tourette Syndrome is a brain disorder that includes > involuntary shouting of obscenities. > "They will tell you, if I say ‘(sexual term involving a parent),’ it > makes me feel better than when I say ‘darn,"’ said Timothy Jay, author > of "Why We Curse" and a psychology professor at Massachusetts College > of Liberal Arts. > And which words are considered most taboo can offer an emotional X-ray > into the core values of a person or a people. > "It tells you what a culture thinks is acceptable and what’s not," > said Reinhold Aman, editor of the scholarly "Maledicta: The > International Journal of Verbal Aggression" and a onetime professor of > medieval literature. > By that measure, the sacred is no longer most sacred in America. Sex, > bodily functions and family, it seems, are more sensitive topics than > religion, based on the relative frequency of use — and prohibitions > against polite use — of various kinds of swear words. > The sacred and profane are an odd pairing in most contexts, but stand > comfortably together in foul language in most cultures. That’s partly > because they both pull concepts where polite society says they don’t > belong, said Geoffrey Nunberg, author of "Going Nucular: Language, > Politics, and Culture in Controversial Times" and a researcher at > Stanford University’s Center for the Study of Language and > Information. > Obscenity takes bedroom and bathroom activities and drags them out > into the living room, he said. Blasphemy, on the other hand, hauls > heaven down into the common world. > Both feel satisfyingly "wrong" when we want to vent our frustrations. > Faith words are still a vital part of the salty lexicon in the United > States and other countries. The specific words used shift from nation > to nation. And as with Goldberg, individual beliefs don’t necessarily > tip off what words someone will use. > Expletives can be elaborate: "The 24 (uniquely male body parts) of the > 12 apostles of Christ!" was one example in Spanish that Aman found. > Another intricate Spanish exclamation: "I (bodily function) on a > carpenter who felled the tree to build the cross to nail Jesus on!" > The exclamations can be untranslatable idioms: Someone in Cairo, > Egypt, might yell the Arabic for "God destroy your house!" in a > situation where someone from Cairo, Ill., would say "Holy mackerel!" > Neither makes much literal sense. > (More common on the Egyptian street would be angry references to the > private parts of a nemesis’ mother, said Yasser Hegazy, a translator > and Arabic tutor who lives in Cairo.) > There was a time when using religious language in the wrong place or > manner could get you thrown in the stocks or even burned at the stake. > And harsh attitudes toward blasphemy aren’t simply ancient > curiosities. > Laws against blasphemy are still on the books in Italy, Spain and > Germany, for instance. And Iran’s Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini > notoriously issued a death sentence in 1989 against Salman Rushdie for > writing "The Satanic Verses" — a sentence upheld by subsequent Muslim > leaders. > The longtime prohibitions against "bad words" fueled a dizzying array > of euphemisms. > Heck and Sam Hill stand in for hell. Pete takes the place of God, as > in "For Pete’s sake." (There is no link to St. Peter, word experts > say). Good golly originally had nothing to do with Miss Molly. Like > gosh and gad, golly is a safer word for "God." Jiminy Christmas, Jeez > Louise, Judas Priest and even the Crocodile Hunter’s "Crikey!" soften > the straightforward J.C. > Other languages used similar strategies. The "Sacre bleu!" shouted by > Lumiere in "Beauty and the Beast" means "Sacred blue!" "Bleu" rhymes > with "Deiu," French for God. So the animated candlestick is yelling, > "My gosh," more or less. > Some words that seem like they should be religious may not be. The > British "bloody" has been linked by some to "by Our Lady" (a reference > to Mary) or the blood of Jesus. But the Oxford English Dictionary says > the slang term’s origin is uncertain, perhaps linked to a description > of rowdy aristocrats, or "bloods," in the 1700s. > But if pop culture is an indicator, the need for euphemisms has waned. > Broadcast TV remains more cautious than many other cultural outlets. > While "Oh my God!" can be heard virtually anywhere in prime time, ads > are still a blasphemy-free zone. For instance, a candy bar ad not long > ago had an angry guy shouting "Great oogly moogly!" > Cable, from "The Sopranos" to "Bill Maher," bars few if any words. > Comedy Channel’s taboo-shredding "South Park" started as an > Internet-distributed short that featured a wrestling match between > Jesus and Santa Claus. > Movie ratings also indicate a softening of attitudes said Jim Wall, > the former editor of Christian Century, who is a longtime advisor to > the appeals board of the Motion Picture Association of America. > "The ratings are designed to reflect what the rating board feels the > average American parent would expect to find," he said. > So even one f-word used in a sexual context is still pretty much an > automatic path to an R rating, he said. But a bunch of religious > expletives aren’t likely to move a movie beyond PG-13. > In fact, the official explanation of the ratings on the MPAA Web site > mentions violence, profanity, drug abuse and sexual content as factors > in determining ratings — but nothing about religious language. > The softening of standards — or degradation, depending on your point > of view — can be traced to the salty language of soldiers coming home > from World War II, Aman said. Vietnam, and the challenges to all > authority during that era, gave another boost to blasphemy and > obscenity filtering into standard use. > Not everyone has gone along, of course. In a recent study, kids and > their parents were given lists of "bad words’ and asked to rate how > bad they were. About 20 percent of the parents said some of the > religious words were worse than some of the sexual words, said Jay, > the psychology professor. > Count Dave Haverty among those still offended by religious expletives. > The president of Preview Family Movie and TV Review writes reviews > that appear on the gospelcom.net Web site. Repeated use of such terms > will bump a show down on his ratings. > Not that he’d be entirely above sin if he whacked his thumb with a > hammer. > "I’m a Christian and I know what I would probably yell," he said. "Not > that I’m proud of it. But it’s a reaction." > What