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"Jodi" <hellofromj…@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message

news:quqDd.47661$eQ5.1789@fe05.lga… Seeing how neither the abuse you and Jo Cohen heaped on Sara never  included pursuing unwanted communications –you can’t be deemed cyberstalkers. Seeing how neither you nor jo cohen  never made any overt or covert threats or posted anything to Sara one can view as intended to intimidate…you can’t be deemed to have cyberbullied her. . But,  your forever replying to Sara’s posts in a manner demeaning to Sara does deserve a label…. It has taken me two years to coin one…but I finally hit upon the right label for what you and Jo did to Sara by your constantly replying to her posts in a manner demeaning to her. Cybermolestation! You earned the jacket of cybermolester…wear it proudly.

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"Linda" <li…@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:1105221083.7c2d3bac15b13c252d38c4782c1a87ef@teranews… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Jodi" <hellofromj…@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message > news:quqDd.47661$eQ5.1789@fe05.lga… > Seeing how neither the abuse you and Jo Cohen heaped on Sara never included > pursuing unwanted communications –you can’t be deemed cyberstalkers. > Seeing how neither you nor jo cohen  never made any overt or covert threats > or posted anything to Sara one can view as intended to intimidate…you > can’t be deemed to have cyberbullied her. . > But,  your forever replying to Sara’s posts in a manner demeaning to Sara > does deserve a label…. > It has taken me two years to coin one…but I finally hit upon the right > label for what you and Jo did to Sara by your constantly replying to her > posts in a manner demeaning to her. > Cybermolestation! > You earned the jacket of cybermolester…wear it proudly

You should be careful what names you call people, Linda. Really. Jo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"Jo" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:feadnbh_v-Cl933cRVn-iQ@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Linda" <li…@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:1105221083.7c2d3bac15b13c252d38c4782c1a87ef@teranews… >> "Jodi" <hellofromj…@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message >> news:quqDd.47661$eQ5.1789@fe05.lga… >> Seeing how neither the abuse you and Jo Cohen heaped on Sara never > included >> pursuing unwanted communications –you can’t be deemed > cyberstalkers. >> Seeing how neither you nor jo cohen  never made any overt or covert > threats >> or posted anything to Sara one can view as intended to > intimidate…you >> can’t be deemed to have cyberbullied her. . >> But,  your forever replying to Sara’s posts in a manner demeaning to > Sara >> does deserve a label…. >> It has taken me two years to coin one…but I finally hit upon the > right >> label for what you and Jo did to Sara by your constantly replying to > her >> posts in a manner demeaning to her. >> Cybermolestation! >> You earned the jacket of cybermolester…wear it proudly > You should be careful what names you call people, Linda. Really.

Agreed. Pablo

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"Jo" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:feadnbh_v-Cl933cRVn-iQ@comcast.com… > You should be careful what names you call people, Linda. Really.

I participate on AST to maintain contact with the tourettes community which I am a legitimate member of. The ONLY type of discussion I am interested in having with anyone in AST is one where truth and mutual understanding is the point of the discussion. Any person who seeks to engage me in any discussion where truth and mutual understanding is besides the point,  will be perceived by me as engaging in cybermolestation (per the definition,  which is one can mean behavior other then a sexual nature). Do you understand?

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"Linda" <li…@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:1105441611.92e38fae17a789c25098f1d600bdfa97@teranews… > "Jo" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:feadnbh_v-Cl933cRVn-iQ@comcast.com… > cybermolestation (per the definition,  which is one can mean behavior other > then a sexual nature).

Example: Mass demonstration protesters in the 60’s and 70’s who were arrested for demonstrating were often charged with one of two charges: !) tresspassing, 2) "obstructing,  interfering and/or molesting others". The second of the charges occurred when protesters formed a mass that blocked entrance ways,  while yelling protests,  and their doing so obstructed and interferred with the employees needing to get in and do their job from getting in and doing their job. Molesting—doesnt always mean physical or sexual act. I believe chanting demeaning things e.g. "pigs") qualifed. Understood?

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"Linda" <li…@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:1105441611.92e38fae17a789c25098f1d600bdfa97@teranews… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Jo" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:feadnbh_v-Cl933cRVn-iQ@comcast.com… > > You should be careful what names you call people, Linda. Really. > I participate on AST to maintain contact with the tourettes community which > I am a legitimate member of. > The ONLY type of discussion I am interested in having with anyone in AST is > one where truth and mutual understanding is the point of the discussion. > Any person who seeks to engage me in any discussion where truth and mutual > understanding is besides the point,  will be perceived by me as engaging in > cybermolestation (per the definition,  which is one can mean behavior other > then a sexual nature). > Do you understand?

I understand more than you realize, Linda. "Ain’t that the truth" Jo

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"Linda" <li…@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:1105443141.3ca22f3aa3219ab4ebc00bcc445953a3@teranews… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Linda" <li…@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:1105441611.92e38fae17a789c25098f1d600bdfa97@teranews… > > "Jo" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:feadnbh_v-Cl933cRVn-iQ@comcast.com… > > cybermolestation (per the definition,  which is one can mean behavior > other > > then a sexual nature). > Example: > Mass demonstration protesters in the 60’s and 70’s who were arrested for > demonstrating were often charged with one of two charges: !) tresspassing, > 2) "obstructing,  interfering and/or molesting others". > The second of the charges occurred when protesters formed a mass that > blocked entrance ways,  while yelling protests,  and their doing so > obstructed and interferred with the employees needing to get in and do their > job from getting in and doing their job. > Molesting—doesnt always mean physical or sexual act. > I believe chanting demeaning things e.g. "pigs") qualifed. > Understood?

Cabbage Jo

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"Jo" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:npSdnSTs_sXsUH7cRVn-vg@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Linda" <li…@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:1105441611.92e38fae17a789c25098f1d600bdfa97@teranews… > > "Jo" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:feadnbh_v-Cl933cRVn-iQ@comcast.com… > > > You should be careful what names you call people, Linda. Really. > > I participate on AST to maintain contact with the tourettes > community which > > I am a legitimate member of. > > The ONLY type of discussion I am interested in having with anyone in > AST is > > one where truth and mutual understanding is the point of the > discussion. > > Any person who seeks to engage me in any discussion where truth and > mutual > > understanding is besides the point,  will be perceived by me as > engaging in > > cybermolestation (per the definition,  which is one can mean > behavior other > > then a sexual nature). > > Do you understand? > I understand more than you realize, Linda.

Good! Then you will understand why Jodi’s,  your and other AST posters attack on Sara and Nonitipik’s self-worth and identity has been fully documented for perpetuity,  along with the  entire history of  abuse engaged in by certain AST posters  against other legitimate members of the AST community. Those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it.

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> > I understand more than you realize, Linda. > Good! > Then you will understand why Jodi’s,  your and other AST posters attack on > Sara and Nonitipik’s self-worth and identity has been fully documented for > perpetuity,  along with the  entire history of  abuse engaged in by certain > AST posters  against other legitimate members of the AST community. > Those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it.

Oh Nooooo, does that mean we’ll have to go through the cabbage patch again?! Corned beef, anyone? Jo :) )

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"Jo" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:pb-dnY7mLL_eGXncRVn-pw@comcast.com… > Oh Nooooo, does that mean we’ll have to go through the cabbage patch > again?!

LOL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Corned beef, anyone? > Jo :) )

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"Jo" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:pb-dnY7mLL_eGXncRVn-pw@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > I understand more than you realize, Linda. > > Good! > > Then you will understand why Jodi’s,  your and other AST posters > attack on > > Sara and Nonitipik’s self-worth and identity has been fully > documented for > > perpetuity,  along with the  entire history of  abuse engaged in by > certain > > AST posters  against other legitimate members of the AST community. > > Those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it. > Oh Nooooo, does that mean we’ll have to go through the cabbage patch > again?!

Nope! It simply  means the people  who have been engaging in the aggressive activities against other AST posters will no longer be able to engage in historical revisionism after each and every one of their "periodic cleansings" on AST.

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> > > Those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it. > > Oh Nooooo, does that mean we’ll have to go through the cabbage patch > > again?! > Nope! > It simply  means the people  who have been engaging in the aggressive > activities against other AST posters will no longer be able to engage in > historical revisionism after each and every one of their "periodic > cleansings" on AST.

Speaking of historical revisionism, I remember now, I can see it….so clearly I can taste it! Yes! It’s…It’s…corned beef and cabbage! YUM! Looks like I’d better get to the butcher tomorrow…..:))) Jo (who prefers corned boeuf and cabbish to Pepperidge Fahm cookies anyday!)

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‘Twas Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:59:27 -0800 when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as "Linda" <li…@nospam.com> uttered: >Jodi is one of several extremely predatory and abusive posters of AST whose >twisting of words and distortion of reality helps propagate an ambience on >AST experts call gaslighting…that makes it unwise,  ill-advised and >unhealthy for mentally healthy  people to participate on AST.

Thank you, Linda. — RB |  

Invitation to Vote: Linda Gore for Kook of the Month

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"Linda" <li…@nospam.com> wrote in message

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OT: Computer question

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"What about Bob" <ka1…@charter.net> wrote in message news:fv0zd.2762$bn4.2202@fe07.lga… >I bought 2 Dells last year………1 desktop. 1 laptop ….both have >printers and I use Cannon BC-05 and have NEVER had any trouble

Sounds like you’re lucky.  Most Dell printers require Dell cartridges, which are more expensive than other printer cartridges.  The good (heh) news is that Dell is expanding their presence in the printer cartridge market, which will ultimately lower the cost of their cartridges.  At least that’s the theory. Pablo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Jodi" <hellofromj…@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message > news:CwNyd.25174$5R7.1344@fe06.lga… >>I got a Dell all in one printer for an early christmas present.  Dell says >>you have to buy the ink refills from them, i’m sure they’d love that, but >>do ya?  Anyone know if theres a generic or anything compatible? >> Thanks, >> Jodi

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"Randall Bart" <Barti…@att.spam.net> wrote in message

news:10fns0dshq45acc295sbhs7pda5hgvl2ji@4ax.com…  In reality, this hardly > ever happens.  If you are going to be printing a lot, find a good supplier > of ink.

Thanks Randall!   Glad you are back. Jodi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > RB |  

Kidlet

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Pablo wrote the following on 1/4/2005 11:34 PM: > I don’t know if you are aware of my love of water from Berkeley Springs > W.Va. water, but I brought home 15 whole gallons of the stuff while we were > away for the Christmas holiday.  My wife thinks I’m nuts, but what is more > basic than good water?

I’ll be heading out there in a couple of weeks. Did you buy the water or bring containers to scoop it up? My youngest will be out of her ankle cast (tendonitis) next week, and we are hoping that ‘taking the waters’ in Berkeley Springs will help speed healing. — Karen R. Instructions for de-spam-trapping my address are contained in the address

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Just to let everyone know, I must have the only teen that likes school (or maybe it’s just the holiday stress that’s over), but Kidlet is doing allot better.  It would be so nice if these episodes didn’t happen, however life is not that easy. The ending at this point is Kidlet is no longer angry, and I’m no longer walking on egg shells. Hope everyone else is doing as well. Naomi

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Naomi wrote the following on 1/5/2005 11:47 PM: > Just to let everyone know, I must have the only teen that likes > school

Mine loves it. But she attends a school that specializes in HFA, and they really have a clue. So the environment is very appropriate for her. > The ending at this point is Kidlet is no longer angry, and I’m no > longer walking on egg shells.

That’s good. I remember those days with my son — it wasn’t pretty. — Karen R. Instructions for de-spam-trapping my address are contained in the address

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"Joanne" <j-…@removesympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:_RwCd.6400$7n1.471597@news20.bellglobal.com… > "Pablo" <n…@yes.com> wrote in message > news:LxsBd.10517$qf5.3434@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net… >> "Joanne" <j-…@removesympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:2frzd.31987$Z%3.1298551@news20.bellglobal.com… >>> "Pablo" <n…@yes.com> wrote in message >>> news:BG9yd.8630$Z47.2955@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net…

<snip> >>>> Remember to take care of yourself, too, Joanne.  When was the last time >>>> you had a massage? >>> I asked Santa… ;) >> Hope Santa came through for you!  :-) >> Pablo > Yes he did… ;)

How jolly of old St. Nick! Hope you enjoy(ed) it! I don’t know if you are aware of my love of water from Berkeley Springs W.Va. water, but I brought home 15 whole gallons of the stuff while we were away for the Christmas holiday.  My wife thinks I’m nuts, but what is more basic than good water? Hope the new year is filled with fun surprises for you and your family. Pablo

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"Pablo" <n…@yes.com> wrote in message

news:LxsBd.10517$qf5.3434@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Joanne" <j-…@removesympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:2frzd.31987$Z%3.1298551@news20.bellglobal.com… >> "Pablo" <n…@yes.com> wrote in message >> news:BG9yd.8630$Z47.2955@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… >>> "Joanne" <j-…@removesympatico.ca> wrote in message >>> news:30Gxd.6393$GK5.569869@news20.bellglobal.com… >>>> "Pablo" <n…@yes.com> wrote in message >>>> news:nxsxd.4540$Z47.2839@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… >>>>> "Joanne" <j-…@removesympatico.ca> wrote in message >>>>> news:BApxd.3174$GK5.303310@news20.bellglobal.com… >>>>>> "Naomi" <tsru…@gobot.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:2Mhxd.9585$dv1.8527@edtnps89… >>>>>>>I have the question of the day. >>>>>>> Is perpetual anger normal for a TS teen, or is it just normal?  I’m >>>>>>> getting >>>>>>> so tired of walking on egg shells to keep the volume down these >>>>>>> days. >>>>>>> Naomi >>>>>> I’ve got two teen boys. One is 15 and happy, the other is 13, has TS >>>>>> and is always angry.  We’ve got thin ice over here… and the holiday >>>>>> season is making it that much more difficult. >>>>> Joanne, was your 15 year old as happy at age 13? >>>>> I’m asking because all three of ours, only one with mild TS, each had >>>>> his "period."  To some extent, I think this is normal.  Heck, I >>>>> remember my own angry phase as a teen, and I do not have TS. >>>>> I’m not saying TS doesn’t account for some of it, but I don’t know if >>>>> it does for all of it. >>>>> Such mysterious stuff. >>>>> Pablo >>>> Sometimes I think my oldest is not capable of anger. I know this is not >>>> true but it sure takes a lot for him to become angry. He is often times >>>> very hurt and sad because of his younger brother being so angry and >>>> hurtful towards him. >>> Interesting response.  You have a good 15 year old, there. >>>> Mat seems to be angry all the time now, since he started puberty. But >>>> it’s gotten worse since the holidays. But now that he’s been off >>>> school, he’s pretty much settled down again. A week ago, his school >>>> band was at a mall playing Christmas songs. He was wonderful and so >>>> beautiful on bass, really brought tears to my eyes just watching him at >>>> his best. But still there, in between songs, he would become very >>>> frustrated and upset because the music teacher wouldn’t let the band >>>> play certain pieces that he wanted played. >>>> I know what Naomi means when she says walking on egg shells. It’s so >>>> hard because even the smallest thing will set him off. For example, if >>>> I put a toy back in his room, I put it on his bed and he’ll go nuts >>>> because it was put back on his bed. I don’t know what he wanted me to >>>> do with it. So now I just say: there’s such and such in the kitchen >>>> that doesn’t have a home. And he takes that cue to mean, come and get >>>> it. Sometimes it’s hard living this way… having massive blow outs and >>>> I know he doesn’t mean it, he does apologize after the fact. When he’s >>>> calmed down, I ask him, what can we do to avoid the big blow out? What >>>> are the triggers, his answer: I don’t know, just let me do what I want >>>> and everything will be fine. But that’s not possible. I can’t let him >>>> do what he wants, how is that going to teach him for his later years, >>>> out in the real world when you seldom get what you want? >>> From everything I’ve read that you’ve posted, you have been doing >>> everything you can to accomodate Mat’s difficulties.  Helping him >>> through this is going to be rough on you, but he is no doubt worth the >>> investment. :-) >>> Others have posted about this, so know that you are not alone. >>>> Bah humbug… but I think it’s getting better with him being out of >>>> school and not having that frustration to deal with. >>>> Also, since puberty, his tics are all over the place, I can honestly >>>> say it’s getting worse. >>>> I’ve read that tics either becomes worse or lessens at puberty, does >>>> this mean he’s going to have it bad forever now? Is there still hope >>>> that once puberty is over, his tics may lessen? >>> Some can probably provide statistics, but Mat is not a statistic.  The >>> future will be what it is.  Your working with him now will positively >>> affect that future. >>> Remember to take care of yourself, too, Joanne.  When was the last time >>> you had a massage? >> I asked Santa… ;) > Hope Santa came through for you!  :-) > Pablo

Yes he did… ;) — Joanne mom to Mat the Amazing!

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"Joanne" <j-…@removesympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:2frzd.31987$Z%3.1298551@news20.bellglobal.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Pablo" <n…@yes.com> wrote in message > news:BG9yd.8630$Z47.2955@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… >> "Joanne" <j-…@removesympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:30Gxd.6393$GK5.569869@news20.bellglobal.com… >>> "Pablo" <n…@yes.com> wrote in message >>> news:nxsxd.4540$Z47.2839@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… >>>> "Joanne" <j-…@removesympatico.ca> wrote in message >>>> news:BApxd.3174$GK5.303310@news20.bellglobal.com… >>>>> "Naomi" <tsru…@gobot.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:2Mhxd.9585$dv1.8527@edtnps89… >>>>>>I have the question of the day. >>>>>> Is perpetual anger normal for a TS teen, or is it just normal?  I’m >>>>>> getting >>>>>> so tired of walking on egg shells to keep the volume down these days. >>>>>> Naomi >>>>> I’ve got two teen boys. One is 15 and happy, the other is 13, has TS >>>>> and is always angry.  We’ve got thin ice over here… and the holiday >>>>> season is making it that much more difficult. >>>> Joanne, was your 15 year old as happy at age 13? >>>> I’m asking because all three of ours, only one with mild TS, each had >>>> his "period."  To some extent, I think this is normal.  Heck, I >>>> remember my own angry phase as a teen, and I do not have TS. >>>> I’m not saying TS doesn’t account for some of it, but I don’t know if >>>> it does for all of it. >>>> Such mysterious stuff. >>>> Pablo >>> Sometimes I think my oldest is not capable of anger. I know this is not >>> true but it sure takes a lot for him to become angry. He is often times >>> very hurt and sad because of his younger brother being so angry and >>> hurtful towards him. >> Interesting response.  You have a good 15 year old, there. >>> Mat seems to be angry all the time now, since he started puberty. But >>> it’s gotten worse since the holidays. But now that he’s been off school, >>> he’s pretty much settled down again. A week ago, his school band was at >>> a mall playing Christmas songs. He was wonderful and so beautiful on >>> bass, really brought tears to my eyes just watching him at his best. But >>> still there, in between songs, he would become very frustrated and upset >>> because the music teacher wouldn’t let the band play certain pieces that >>> he wanted played. >>> I know what Naomi means when she says walking on egg shells. It’s so >>> hard because even the smallest thing will set him off. For example, if I >>> put a toy back in his room, I put it on his bed and he’ll go nuts >>> because it was put back on his bed. I don’t know what he wanted me to do >>> with it. So now I just say: there’s such and such in the kitchen that >>> doesn’t have a home. And he takes that cue to mean, come and get it. >>> Sometimes it’s hard living this way… having massive blow outs and I >>> know he doesn’t mean it, he does apologize after the fact. When he’s >>> calmed down, I ask him, what can we do to avoid the big blow out? What >>> are the triggers, his answer: I don’t know, just let me do what I want >>> and everything will be fine. But that’s not possible. I can’t let him do >>> what he wants, how is that going to teach him for his later years, out >>> in the real world when you seldom get what you want? >> From everything I’ve read that you’ve posted, you have been doing >> everything you can to accomodate Mat’s difficulties.  Helping him through >> this is going to be rough on you, but he is no doubt worth the >> investment. :-) >> Others have posted about this, so know that you are not alone. >>> Bah humbug… but I think it’s getting better with him being out of >>> school and not having that frustration to deal with. >>> Also, since puberty, his tics are all over the place, I can honestly say >>> it’s getting worse. >>> I’ve read that tics either becomes worse or lessens at puberty, does >>> this mean he’s going to have it bad forever now? Is there still hope >>> that once puberty is over, his tics may lessen? >> Some can probably provide statistics, but Mat is not a statistic.  The >> future will be what it is.  Your working with him now will positively >> affect that future. >> Remember to take care of yourself, too, Joanne.  When was the last time >> you had a massage? > I asked Santa… ;)

Hope Santa came through for you!  :-) Pablo

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"Naomi" <tsru…@gobot.com> wrote in message

news:CYZxd.11244$dv1.7800@edtnps89… > Oh can I relate to what you’re saying Joanne.  This year, with Kidlet > being > 15 and his brother almost 17 we thought we could leave the kids alone > while > we do what adults do (without kids).  No such luck, older brother taunts > Kidlet, Kidlet starts on a tirade (including words I didn’t know he knew), > then the war begins.  And here’s mom, trying to hard to keep everything on > an even keel, trying to anticipate what’s going to be needed, just so the > anger level’s stay in a workable level. > Maybe it’s time we find a medication for the parents too ;>)  ???

Now that’s not a bad idea!! — Joanne mom to Mat the Amazing! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Naomi

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 "Naomi" <tsru…@gobot.com> wrote in message > news:2Mhxd.9585$dv1.8527@edtnps89…

 >I have the question of the day. >  Is perpetual anger normal for a TS teen, or is it just normal?

The only time i see my son get uncontrollably angry is when he accidentally hurts himself.  Today he bent over to get something and hit his head on a cabinet on the way up.  He beat up my cabinet and would have torn the door off the hinges, (appeared to be his goal anyway lol) had i not stopped him. That kind of situation is the only time i have ever seen him lose it, he’s generally pretty easy going. Jodi

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"Jodi" > The only time i see my son get uncontrollably angry is when he accidentally > hurts himself.  Today he bent over to get something and hit his head on a > cabinet on the way up.

ouch :( jo

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‘Twas Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:29:54 GMT when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as "Naomi" <tsru…@gobot.com> uttered: >Maybe it’s time we find a medication for the parents too ;>)  ???

You need some fugetitol. — RB |  

Now I know

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I got an email from my case worker in White River Junction VT.  He told me I have been adjudged as "unemployable."  I wondered, if in my search for work it was me.  Now I know, it is.  God knows now what happens. I do know this that after a while it is hard being told all the time "life is not fair"  Especially, when no one else seems to be having the same problems.  I am beginning to wonder, what bad karma have I done that has earned me my fate?  Shit happens, but I feel cheated, I played by the rules, doen everything as honourably as I can and yet, I can’t pa any one backthat I owe, I can only support myself with the sweet charity of others. I watched the Xmas dinner at the Union Gospel Mission.  One meal and people think they have given back to the community.  In the meantime thousands are marginalized and ignored to suffer in quiet desparation. I stood in the foodbank line and listened to the teenagers with jobs at the neighbouring McDonalds laugh at us and call us winos and losers. The truth is folks, we are on our own and NOBODY cares about us, our illness or are personal problems except us.

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>The truth is folks, we are on our own and NOBODY cares about us, our >illness or are personal problems except us.

Although there is some truth to that, what you say is not completely true. Here some proof: MEDICAL ORGANIZATION’S PHONE #’S Tourette’s Syndrome Association # 1-800-237-0717 American Cancer Society # 1-800-ACS-2345 Alzheimer’s Association# 1-800-272-3900 Spina Bifida Association# 1-800-621-3141 Retinitis Pigmentosa Foundation # 1-800-638-2300 Simon Foundationfor Incontinence # 1-800-23-SIMON National Neurofibromatosis Foundation # 1-800-323-7938 National Hospice Organization Helpline # 1-800-658-8898 Orton DyslexiaSociety # 1-800-222-3123 National Spinal Cord Injury Hotline # 1-800-526-3456 United Leukodystrophy Foundation # 1-800-728-5483 Multiple Sclerosis Line # 1-800-624-8236 American Diabetes Association # 1-800-232-3472 Employment Opportunity Commission # 1-800-699-EEOC There is a war on disease and although its going really slow, the human family is winning. I predict in another hundred years cases of MS will be rare.

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You just mentioned that ‘no one else seems to be having the same problems’, and then in the next paragraph discuss the dinner at the Union Gospel Mission.  Those folks enjoying one nice meal are having the same problems.  They do appreciate the efforts of those who want to provide them with ‘one meal’.  Everyone should get to enjoy a nice Christmas dinner. The teenagers who laughed and called names will have their own ‘knock upside the head’ soon.  What can you buy with the pay from a job at McDonalds?  Gas for the car Dad bought them and a few CD’s.  Covering their zits is their only worry.  You know that they are ignorant and have never had a hard day in their young lives.  Oh, to be so ignorant ourselves and not know pain, fear, or hunger. The other axiom in life is "You can’t take it with you".  You have given and given and don’t want to take from others because you’ve always been the giver.  Give other people a chance to give to you for awhile.  I’ve been trying to tell my father-in-law this for years!  He would rather be miserable than accept help from us.  And makes his wife miserable and us miserable as a result, because he won’t let us do anything for him and her after they did everything for us for so long. How unfair is that to not allow us the opportunity to be the givers? ‘Unemployable’ does NOT mean unwanted.  I would have to disagree with anyone who says someone else is ‘unemployable’.  Maybe in the traditional sense of employment, but I do know people who are on 100% disability and SSDI who are employed.  They have knowledge and skills but it takes an employer who understands their limitations and is willing to let them work on their own schedule.  Unfortunately, it usually has to be done ‘under the table’, because of the inconsistency of their health conditions.  (Not naming names for their protection!!) It took a long time for them to realize that they had value and worth, but other people kept telling them until they finally believed it.  I know you have people telling you the same thing, and you can add me to that list.   Kelly

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Alcohol and tourettes

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How do people with tourettes (in this group or typically) respond to alcohol? I was going to reply to a recent post about suggestions for non-pharmaceutical drugs with booze as a suggestion but I thought it may be mistaken as flippancy. I drink a fair bit and I feel it helps me. I’ve been a bit bad recently, had an attempted mugging in broad daylight 5 mins from home last week (escaped without loss but really upset me; I am a compulsive worrier and don’t go out much because of it, so a ‘proof’ of my worries is awful positive reinforcement), fell out with my best friend who is being a right twat to me, and am generally really stressed and depressed. So, I’m tic-ing like a bastard, worse I’ve been for a long time, but a few stiff gins and still depressed but nowhere like as many tics. I’m not reccomending it (being a brit I’m genetically engineered to cope with it and socially conditioned to drink it anyhow), I was just interested in its immediate effects on other people. Luv Andy

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I am 64 and have found that alcohol does help me but because I also have compulsive problems, I tend to drink and eat more than I should. Wayne

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"Andy Booth" <andybo…@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message

news:_4ymd.27167$P7.2587@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How do people with tourettes (in this group or typically) respond to > alcohol? I was going to reply to a recent post about suggestions for > non-pharmaceutical drugs with booze as a suggestion but I thought it may > be mistaken as flippancy. I drink a fair bit and I feel it helps me. > I’ve been a bit bad recently, had an attempted mugging in broad daylight 5 > mins from home last week (escaped without loss but really upset me; I am a > compulsive worrier and don’t go out much because of it, so a ‘proof’ of my > worries is awful positive reinforcement), fell out with my best friend who > is being a right twat to me, and am generally really stressed and > depressed. So, I’m tic-ing like a bastard, worse I’ve been for a long > time, but a few stiff gins and still depressed but nowhere like as many > tics. I’m not reccomending it (being a brit I’m genetically engineered to > cope with it and socially conditioned to drink it anyhow), I was just > interested in its immediate effects on other people. > Luv > Andy

One drink may quieten tics a bit, I’ve never tried to pay attention.  Two drinks and I slide slowly under the table, so I guess that counts as tic suppression :-) .  A more seasoned drinker would have to advise you on the effects at higher dose.

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TS++

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I just finished watching an episode of Dr. Phil last week.  He has guests on his show that had problems cutting and with hair pulling.  I had both these problems when I was an adolestand around 13 – 14 years old.  I cut just under the skin – not deep enough to injure myself but cutting to a point where it served an emotional need.  I used to get compliments about my eyelashes. Nobody ever relized that I was pulling them out and the would grow back longer and curlier than before.  Again, it was to satisfy a need.  It was kind of a freak out when I saw these symptoms in a slide show in a presentation by Dr. David Commings and later saw these symptoms in his book.  I have had different symptoms of TS throughout my life.  I don’t consider it TS+ or TS++ or any other fancy name.  I just have the symptoms of TS.  When I was first Dx’ed, the neurologist said "what conditions do you need to medicate for?"  The symptoms wax and wane.  My latest problematic conditions are agoraphobia and disphoria.

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Archive:  Linda <Li…@nospam.com> wrote: [ Not to be confused with other recent ast Linda nyms: "Adinl" <Ad...@nospam.com> adinlli...@aol.com (Adinllinda) getnstron...@hotmail.com (Linda) Linda <li...@om.nspmcom> "Linda" <Li...@noemail.com> "Linda" <Li...@nospam.com> LInda <Li...@nospam.com> Linda <Li...@nospam.comnojunk> "Linda" <li...@nozpam.com> Li...@nspam.comnojunk "Linda" <li...@y.comnojunk> Linda <Li...@zom.nspmcom> "Linda" <nos...@nospam.com> lindaglasve...@aol.comnojunk (Linda) tiffanyatt...@aol.com (Tiffanyattrop) ] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> www.endallthepain.com is a  self-help website that provides awareness, > information, and support on a variety of topics including self-injury. > It’s webmaster,  Vicki Duffy,   is the author of a recently published > book on the subject titled  "No More Pain! Breaking the Silence of > Self-Injury". > http://www.pressbox.co.uk/Detailed/19134.html >  I have had different > >symptoms of TS throughout my life.  I don’t consider it TS+ or TS++ or any > >other fancy name.  I just have the symptoms of TS. > You don’t see anyone in the ADHD community trying to divide the ADHD > community by plastering propaganda all over the WWW promoting the > existence of ADHD and ADHD PLUS. > Nor,  do you see anyone in the OCD community trying to divide the OCD > community by plastering propaganda all over the WWW by distinguishing > OCD from OCD plus. > Nor,  do you see anyone in the Bipolar community trying to divide the > bipolar community by plastering propaganda all over the WWW by > distinguishing bipolar disorder from bipolar disorder PLUS. > Nor,  do you see anyone in the unipolar depression community trying to > divide the unipolar depression community by  plastering propaganda all > over the WWW by distinguishing unipolar depression from unipolar > depression PLUS. > Nor,  do you see anyone in the Schizophrenic community trying to > divide the schizophrenic community by  plastering propaganda all over > the WWW by distinguishing schizophrenia  from Schizophrenia PLUS. > In fact,  no other support community  has nutjobs dividing them with > BS propaganda asserting there is "Name your disease"  and "Name your > disease PLUS" > The tourettes community stands alone in having  NUTJOBS in it’s > community dividing the community by their plastering propaganda all > over the WWW wherein they seek to depict the existence of tourettes > (their symptoms of TS)  and tourettes PLUS (other  peoples symptoms of > TS)! > You couldn’t make it up! > tis pathos > >When I was first Dx’ed, the > >neurologist said "what conditions do you need to medicate for?"  The symptoms > >wax and wane.  My latest problematic conditions are agoraphobia and disphoria. > You posted a post saying you were going to try something new. > I hope it’s helping.

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"Linda" <Li…@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:1100035013.aZ+FQLLEUdOqb1zA8tWKOQ@teranews… <snip> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You don’t see anyone in the ADHD community trying to divide the ADHD > community by plastering propaganda all over the WWW promoting the > existence of ADHD and ADHD PLUS. > Nor,  do you see anyone in the OCD community trying to divide the OCD > community by plastering propaganda all over the WWW by distinguishing > OCD from OCD plus. > Nor,  do you see anyone in the Bipolar community trying to divide the > bipolar community by plastering propaganda all over the WWW by > distinguishing bipolar disorder from bipolar disorder PLUS. > Nor,  do you see anyone in the unipolar depression community trying to > divide the unipolar depression community by  plastering propaganda all > over the WWW by distinguishing unipolar depression from unipolar > depression PLUS. > Nor,  do you see anyone in the Schizophrenic community trying to > divide the schizophrenic community by  plastering propaganda all over > the WWW by distinguishing schizophrenia  from Schizophrenia PLUS. > In fact,  no other support community  has nutjobs dividing them with > BS propaganda asserting there is "Name your disease"  and "Name your > disease PLUS" > The tourettes community stands alone in having  NUTJOBS in it’s > community dividing the community by their plastering propaganda all > over the WWW wherein they seek to depict the existence of tourettes > (their symptoms of TS)  and tourettes PLUS (other  peoples symptoms of > TS)!

I do see you "plastering propaganda" on usenet.  Anti-med propaganda.  I have also seen you plaster "ADHD is caused by caregiver abuse" propaganda. You identify various "communities."  Please define "community."  Also, do you speak for these "communities?" Since you are so knowledgeable about all this stuff, please tell us what you know about Obsessive Compulsive Spectrum Disorder.  It’ll put your "+" comments and beliefs about comorbidities to the test. For example, is Trichotillomania an Impulse Control Disorder, or does it fall under the umbrella of OCSD?  Is Body Dysmorphic Disorder a stand-alone, or do some cases fall under the OCSD umbrella?  How about Anorexia? What do YOU say, Linda?  You are the expert, right? It’s one thing to engage in reasonable discourse, but when you state that the "TS community" has "nutjobs" among its ranks, you show your true colors. Pablo

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Advances In Understanding Brain Circuits Responsible For Tics I…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Iceman wrote: > On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:46:12 -0800, Linda wrote: > > Path: nwrddc03.gnilink.net!cyclone2.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net! wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!216.196.98.144!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!bor der1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!n ntpserver.com!sam.nntpserver.com.POSTED!c1fae7a2!not-for-mail > > From: Linda <Li…@nospam.com> > > Newsgroups: alt.support.tourette > > Subject: Re: Advances In Understanding Brain Circuits Responsible For Tics I… > > Reply-To: Li…@nospam.com > > Message-ID: <vbjjo0losifjsuapuf3a5rj7djbneov…@4ax.com> > > References: <dehho055o4rp6d6f3d51q2ce22eh83a…@4ax.com> <1502-4189146F…@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> > > X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 > > X-No-Archive: yes > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Lines: 135 > > Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:46:12 -0800 > > NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.198.23.183 > > X-Trace: sam.nntpserver.com 1099558339 172.198.23.183 (Thu, 04 Nov 2004 03:52:19 EST) > > NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 03:52:19 EST > > Xref: cyclone1.gnilink.net alt.support.tourette:40727 > > X-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 03:52:22 EST (nwrddc03.gnilink.net) > > ————————————– > > WARNING: The livlihood,  physical health and lives of > > alt.support.tourette posters, their spouses and/or minor children is > > being intentionally endangered by the group cyberstalking, > > cyberharassment, and libel being engaged in against AST subscribers by > > a ring of rogue psychotherapists and supplicants whose serial > > cyberterrorism of private citizens continues to go on and on and on, > > years after prior targets have complained about this ring’s > > cyberterrorizing private citizens to both the APA and law enforcement > > agencies. > > http://www.fireflysun.com/book/SPPstalking.php > > d by the strept germ is why  Dr. Freeman gets pissed off when > > tourettes is diagnosed in kids with vulnernability to strept germs. > > I > > ettes was a chorea or not,  what tourettes etiology was,  and what > > it’s features are…made tourettes something wasn’t diagnosed very > > often until the late 1970’s. > > gnosed very often > > I believe medical doctors used to only refer people for psych > > evaluations when the  doctor couldn’t find any medical condition > > causing the symptoms. > > cause  psych  diseases used to be one’s where a person suffered > > neuro-psych symptoms from no KNOWN cuase…so it was said to be in > > their head. > > Nowadays….it seems like the psych profession has gained primacy over > > the medical profession…and they are diagnosing disease as being in > > the head without even looking for organic diseases. > > Hence…the ascendancy of tourettes syndrome… > > es to fight off the strept germs —–messing up the brain for a > > while….but those are supposed to be self-limiting.

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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:46:12 -0800, Linda <Li…@nospam.com> wrote: >On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:25:03 -0500, SOan…@webtv.net wrote: >>Linda I read the whole thing but most of it is not in lay language.. >Having lived long enuff to have  steeped myself in a number of >different cultural mileiu’s which all have their  own "slang" or >"verbiage"  or language….I view neuroanatomists lingo as yet >another cultural mileis "lingo" or verbiage for me to  pick up and >learn as i go along….albeit latin  "verbiage"…

Holy crapola, Linda.  The first post talked about difficult language and then look at the unintelligible blather you threw in!   Geez!  Your empathy is astounding.  And your writing style, well … well …  Not much nice to say there, is there?   Can’t you use either correct grammar and language or shut up?   … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->No, but I’m a lay person and my knowledge of neuro conditions is >limited to what I haved picked up reading literature for lay people >about all the conditions people in my immediate social circle have. >It’s my understanding that  "St. Vitus Dance"  is the old fashioned >name for Sydenham chorea. >It’s my understanding SVD or Sydenham chorea is dx’d when involuntary >movements manifest in the months following a bout of  rheumatic fever >(strept infection). >If you had rheumatic fever as a child,  followed by a movement >disorder they have dx’d you with St. Vitus dance. >I don’t know how true it is….but the theory regarding SVD or >Syndeham’s chorea is that the antibodies the body produces to kill the >strept germ are one’s attack certain brain cells.

Another of your junior high reports.  This time you forgot to list your single reference: Encarta.   You read a quicky article in an online encyclopedia, then try to present it as if you alread knew it.  That’s dumb, and lame.  Outs you as a bitch.   Can’t you just converse, share real experiences, and not try to look like the expert on every newsgroup you frequent?  Every newsgroup, you do the same thing.  Pretty sad, isn’t it, that you can’t be real, or genuine, or anything with real contact between people?   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->But,  SVD is a self-limiting disease—and person generally fully >recover. >Of, course—if they get another strept infection—the antibodies >will get produced again,  so they could suffer a reocurrence of the >movement disorder. >Some doctors will prescribe anti-biotics prophalactically…(small >dosage)  to prevent such people from having a re-occurence of >Syndenham’s. >It’s interesting that your involuntary movements were diagnosed as >being owing to a chorea as a child,   then as being owing to tourettes >so many years later. >Do your  involuntary movements today and the one’s 80 years ago have >the same cause,  I wonder? >Or,   were your involuntary movements diagnosed as  SVD in the 20’s >because SVD was the  diagnostic label that was popular then,   and >diagnosed as Tourettes today…cause that is the diagnostic label >popular for movement disorders today? >Does it matter? >so long as you found the clonidine relieves your involuntary >movements..I don’t suspect it matters to you what diagnostic label >they are given as being symptoms of?

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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 04:02:55 -0800, LInda <Li…@nospam.com> wrote: >Advances In Understanding Brain Circuits Responsible For Tics In >Tourette’s Shed Light On Disorder >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041030133244.htm >Recent advances are producing a much greater understanding of the >brain circuits responsible for the tics and problem behaviors seen in >Tourette’s syndrome. >In one groundbreaking study, investigators have for the first time >measured the number of neurons in a particular area of the basal

I’ve been away for a few days, and you have obviously been busy, Linda sweetums.  Not intelligent, certainly not productive, but busy. I am sooooo sorry that I have neglected you lately, Linda.  Now I am back my lovely little thing, and you have all my attention now.  (He bats his eyes.)   It never ceases to amaze me how fukkin stupid you are, Linda Gore. You keep posting crap like this when you don’t have any ability to read and understand it.   I’m no psychologist, but I do know my statistics, and the statistics in the article you abstracted (just like the one you posted a day earlier) are pathetic and do not demonstrate a meaningful difference.  Psychologists don’t use the Omega squared statistic very often, but it is useful and it shows that little of the group difference is accounted for by the difference between Tourette’s and other subjects.   Read and undestand first, dumb ass!   Slitch. Fyre

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Linda I don’t remember having tics only a lot of blinking. Out side of childhood deceases I have been healthy all my life. Almost 90 and still live alone and do all my own cooking, a vegetarian & cleaning. I have a very nice social life and keep active. Fay

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"Iceman" <1c3…@chi-mafia.org> wrote in message

news:f6781vuom6mv$.dlg@icepick.org… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 05:02:31 GMT, Pablo wrote: >> "Iceman" <1c3…@chi-mafia.org> wrote in message >> news:p00xwpf32090$.dlg@icepick.org… >>> On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 03:38:18 GMT, Noon Cat Nick wrote: >>>> Iceman wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:42:07 GMT, Noon Cat Nick wrote: >>>>>> Iceman wrote: >>>>>> <nothing original> >>>>>> Okay, so what’s your problem with it? >>>>> Why do you assume there is a problem? >>>> Oh, my mistake. You agree with every word. "Kook notes" must be your >>>> cup >>>> of tea. >>> I have not a clue what you are talking about. The message was archived >>> simply because she posted more than she intended to, it gives others a >>> chance to see how she operates. >>> It had absolutely nothing to do with "problem/no problem". >>> Most peeps recognize her for what she is. >> Agreed.  And she hasn’t stopped for quite awhile >> Here’s another one.  It’s sort of in the middle of her post.  It shows >> her >> kooknotes wherein she states she "applied for work and was turned >> down because of untrue BS [I] posted."  Given that it was left in the >> post, >> I consider it "publication" in a legal sense. >> I’ve told her and told her to clean up her posts, but she has done it yet >> again. >> From over TWO years ago, Linda wrote: > <snipped> > Well it certainly doesn’t take much to see that the cause of her body > imploding is due to her psychological problems. If she does keep copies of > all that she says she does then her "evidence" would end up putting her in > a treatment program. One she sorely needs.

Yep, her own records would do her in.  Linda has said being on usenet is not good for her health.  We are seeing this. Pablo

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"Iceman" <1c3…@chi-mafia.org> wrote in message

news:p00xwpf32090$.dlg@icepick.org… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 03:38:18 GMT, Noon Cat Nick wrote: >> Iceman wrote: >>> On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:42:07 GMT, Noon Cat Nick wrote: >>>> Iceman wrote: >>>> <nothing original> >>>> Okay, so what’s your problem with it? >>> Why do you assume there is a problem? >> Oh, my mistake. You agree with every word. "Kook notes" must be your cup >> of tea. > I have not a clue what you are talking about. The message was archived > simply because she posted more than she intended to, it gives others a > chance to see how she operates. > It had absolutely nothing to do with "problem/no problem". > Most peeps recognize her for what she is.

Agreed.  And she hasn’t stopped for quite awhile Here’s another one.  It’s sort of in the middle of her post.  It shows her kooknotes wherein she states she "applied for work and was turned down because of untrue BS [I] posted."  Given that it was left in the post, I consider it "publication" in a legal sense. I’ve told her and told her to clean up her posts, but she has done it yet again. From over TWO years ago, Linda wrote: From: SnowWhite (WhiteQu…@Nospam.com) Subject: Re: The days of anonymous email services are numbered alt.support.depression.medication 02-05 23:13:16 PST View: Complete Thread (50 articles) | Original Format Pablo <n…@yes.com> wrote in message

news:a3pdcd$d3e$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> SnowWhite wrote in message … > >Pablo <n…@yes.com> wrote in message > >news:a3nvei$tn$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net… > >> SnowWhite wrote in message … > >> >Pablo will have to cease posting when that occurs… > >> >YEAH! > >> I don’t use an anonymous email service.  I use an invalid email address > >> so > >> that I am not bothered by pests.  People who need to get in touch with > >> me > >> still manage to do so. > >> Sorry if this mars your mood. > >Outlawing anonymous email  boxes is only the first step. > > its only a matter of time…anonymous cowards abusing innocent people on > >usenet will not be permitted to do so  anonymously..because of incidents > >like on ASH, and in the russian and korean groups. and > >…………..HERE! > >Its is what I joined the PAC to bring about! > Sounds like you and your PAC pals have control issues.

changing the subject, which is anonymous cowards libeling posters on usenet, and getting legislation so their victims may hold them who libel others legally acocountable for having done so.. (Pablo’s  crossposting trimmed! ) . I intend to make sure people can sue others for libeling them with psychiatric dx’d they do not suffer. I have posts of yours and every single person on ASD-med who has slandered, defamed and libeled me posting FALSELY I suffer from illnesses I do not. The damage done me is very clear. Now, how to make those doing the damage accountable? sprrvewith arandwith roMy efYou have posted vile slander and libel about me. I have letters from my doctors ptaken letteI applied for work and was turned down because of untrue BS you posted. nw want to take legal action.  slaIt has to do with the fact that people like yourself have posted vile slander, and libel about me by name, while you hide behind an anonmymous nym and cannot be made legally ato yono defamedr  post vile slander, defame, and libel others while hiding behind anonymous bacNo I am being slandered, defamed and libeled by persons such as yourself. And,I believe I have the right to know who posts such libel so I can legally redress it.d de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> >spacebar <EatMyS…@shaw.ca> wrote in message > >> >news:31578.14940$cy1.687307@news1.calgary.shaw.ca… > >> >> <.> wrote in message news:u5pcti46b0atb2@corp.supernews.com… > >> >> > February 2nd, 2002 > >> >> > Email took center stage this week in the technology world with new > >> >> > initiatives aimed at stopping spam and PCWorld.com reports on the > >> >> > rising costs of "free" email services. > >> >> > There was also a very dark side to the email story this week. CNN > >> >> > covered a taped rant from Osama bin Laden, made in October, in > >> >> > which > >> >> > he mocks the U.S. government for believing (he thinks) that > >> >> > terrorists > >> >> > aren’t smart enough to use email and other modern communications. > >> >> > Of > >> >> > course we all know that terrorists use email. The latest example > >> >> > is > >> >> > the criminals who kidnapped Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel > >> >> > Pearl > >> >> > and used anonymous email services to send their threats to news > >> >> > organizations. > >> >> > Here is a prediction: before the year is out there will be a major > >> >> > push inside the federal law enforcement community to make email > >> >> > far > >> >> > easier to trace. There will be plenty of resistance, but I believe > >> >> > that the days of anonymous email services are numbered. > >> >> > Ramon G. McLeod > >> >> > Executive Editor for News

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Linda I read the whole thing but most of it is not in lay language..  I did go to a Ts specialist and he said I had TS but never to a person 89. then I remembered my mother taking me out of 5 grade to go in a special class. I asked why and she said I had St. Vitas Dance. this was in the early 20. I understand that it was TS but it was an old fashioned way of saying T S.  The Dr. said it was a case to write up about. I go back to him next mo. and after taking Clonidine I have improved 99% All through my married life & raising 3 children being normal it came back in my 80. Have you ever heard of this happening? Fay

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Iceman wrote:

<nothing original> Okay, so what’s your problem with it?

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What does that mean, and what are you saying about Dr. Freeman ??? [ Not to be confused with other recent ast Linda nyms: "Adinl" <Ad...@nospam.com> adinlli...@aol.com (Adinllinda) getnstron...@hotmail.com (Linda) Linda <li...@om.nspmcom> "Linda" <Li...@noemail.com> "Linda" <Li...@nospam.com> LInda <Li...@nospam.com> Linda <Li...@nospam.comnojunk> "Linda" <li...@nozpam.com> Li...@nspam.comnojunk "Linda" <li...@y.comnojunk> Linda <Li...@zom.nspmcom> "Linda" <nos...@nospam.com> lindaglasve...@aol.comnojunk (Linda) tiffanyatt...@aol.com (Tiffanyattrop) ] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Linda <Li…@nospam.com> wrote: > d by the strept germ is why  Dr. Freeman gets pissed off when > tourettes is diagnosed in kids with vulnernability to strept germs. > I > ettes was a chorea or not,  what tourettes etiology was,  and what > it’s features are…made tourettes something wasn’t diagnosed very > often until the late 1970’s. > gnosed very often > I believe medical doctors used to only refer people for psych > evaluations when the  doctor couldn’t find any medical condition > causing the symptoms. > cause  psych  diseases used to be one’s where a person suffered > neuro-psych symptoms from no KNOWN cuase…so it was said to be in > their head. > Nowadays….it seems like the psych profession has gained primacy over > the medical profession…and they are diagnosing disease as being in > the head without even looking for organic diseases. > Hence…the ascendancy of tourettes syndrome… > es to fight off the strept germs —–messing up the brain for a > while….but those are supposed to be self-limiting.

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Iceman wrote: > On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:42:07 GMT, Noon Cat Nick wrote: > > Iceman wrote: > > <nothing original> > > Okay, so what’s your problem with it? > Why do you assume there is a problem?

Oh, my mistake. You agree with every word. "Kook notes" must be your cup of tea.

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Linda, I have never had anything but childhood deceases. with 4 siblings we all had them. Thanks for your info. Fay

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"Linda" <Li…@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:vbjjo0losifjsuapuf3a5rj7djbneov0b5@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:25:03 -0500, SOan…@webtv.net wrote: >>Linda I read the whole thing but most of it is not in lay language.. > Having lived long enuff to have  steeped myself in a number of > different cultural mileiu’s which all have their  own "slang" or > "verbiage"  or language….I view neuroanatomists lingo as yet > another cultural mileis "lingo" or verbiage for me to  pick up and > learn as i go along….albeit latin  "verbiage"… >> I did go to a Ts specialist and he said I had TS but never to a person >>89. then I remembered my mother taking me out of 5 grade to go in a >>special class. I asked why and she said I had St. Vitas Dance. this was >>in the early 20. I understand that it was TS but it was an old fashioned >>way of saying T S.  The Dr. said it was a case to write up about. I go >>back to him next mo. and after taking Clonidine I have improved 99% >>All through my married life & raising 3 children being normal it came >>back in my 80. >>Have you ever heard of this happening? > No, but I’m a lay person and my knowledge of neuro conditions is > limited to what I haved picked up reading literature for lay people > about all the conditions people in my immediate social circle have. > It’s my understanding that  "St. Vitus Dance"  is the old fashioned > name for Sydenham chorea. > It’s my understanding SVD or Sydenham chorea is dx’d when involuntary > movements manifest in the months following a bout of  rheumatic fever > (strept infection). > If you had rheumatic fever as a child,  followed by a movement > disorder they have dx’d you with St. Vitus dance. > I don’t know how true it is….but the theory regarding SVD or > Syndeham’s chorea is that the antibodies the body produces to kill the > strept germ are one’s attack certain brain cells. > But,  SVD is a self-limiting disease—and person generally fully > recover. > Of, course—if they get another strept infection—the antibodies > will get produced again,  so they could suffer a reocurrence of the > movement disorder. > Some doctors will prescribe anti-biotics prophalactically…(small > dosage)  to prevent such people from having a re-occurence of > Syndenham’s. > It’s interesting that your involuntary movements were diagnosed as > being owing to a chorea as a child,   then as being owing to tourettes > so many years later. > Do your  involuntary movements today and the one’s 80 years ago have > the same cause,  I wonder? > Or,   were your involuntary movements diagnosed as  SVD in the 20’s > because SVD was the  diagnostic label that was popular then,   and > diagnosed as Tourettes today…cause that is the diagnostic label > popular for movement disorders today? > Does it matter? > so long as you found the clonidine relieves your involuntary > movements..I don’t suspect it matters to you what diagnostic label > they are given as being symptoms of? > ————————————– > WARNING: The livlihood,  physical health and lives of > alt.support.tourette posters, their spouses and/or minor children is > being intentionally endangered by the group cyberstalking, > cyberharassment, and libel being engaged in against AST subscribers by > a ring of rogue psychotherapists and supplicants whose serial > cyberterrorism of private citizens continues to go on and on and on, > years after prior targets have complained about this ring’s > cyberterrorizing private citizens to both the APA and law enforcement > agencies. > http://www.fireflysun.com/book/SPPstalking.php > d by the strept germ is why  Dr. Freeman gets pissed off when > tourettes is diagnosed in kids with vulnernability to strept germs. > I > ettes was a chorea or not,  what tourettes etiology was,  and what > it’s features are…made tourettes something wasn’t diagnosed very > often until the late 1970’s. > gnosed very often > I believe medical doctors used to only refer people for psych > evaluations when the  doctor couldn’t find any medical condition > causing the symptoms. > cause  psych  diseases used to be one’s where a person suffered > neuro-psych symptoms from no KNOWN cuase…so it was said to be in > their head. > Nowadays….it seems like the psych profession has gained primacy over > the medical profession…and they are diagnosing disease as being in > the head without even looking for organic diseases. > Hence…the ascendancy of tourettes syndrome… > es to fight off the strept germs —–messing up the brain for a > while….but those are supposed to be self-limiting.

Hahahaahah! Linda, WHEN are you going to learn to edit your posts before sending them? This is not the first time you have gotten in trouble by leaving in troubling statements dangling at the ends of posts. This is how you accused me of causing you to lose a job opportunity, remember? Or do you leave it intentionally? Maybe you’ll blame it on some disorder. Pablo

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When did AST go from being a vibrant, interesting, informative, witty and supportive place to a ghost town/abuse group????? (IOW, when did Kat leave?)

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‘Twas Wed, 03 Nov 2004 04:47:52 GMT when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as "Pablo" <n…@yes.com> uttered: >The "statistics" you cite below do not support your statement.

Statistics don’t mean anything.  The best statistics are made up, and even if a phony statistic is clearly preposterous, you can get 102% of the population to believe it. — RB |  

Looking for a natural (non-pharmaceutical) medicine

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"Roger D. Freeman, M.D." wrote: > Chronic motor tic disorder *can* be more severe than TS, why not? > Both vary from hardly noticeable to severe and impairing.   The often-cited > statement that TS is "more serious" than the other tic disorders isn’t > correct.

Sometimes I forget (since we have made a lot of progress) how much work still remains to be done in terms of correcting misinformation that is "out there" about tic disorders … one more example of the kind of "stuff" we see so often repeated in the media and literature, both professional and otherwise. — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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http://www.bonniegr.com/index.htm "H.Z." <eale…@telus.net> wrote in message

news:BDA62C7C.2FE54%ealexzi@telus.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, I have chronic-motor-tic disorder. Although it