Doc with TS

Question:

MD who grabbed patients convicted of misconduct By Gay Abbate Having Tourette’s syndrome explains only some of Stephen Ross’s strange behaviour with patients and nurses, a discipline committee of the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons has concluded. The committee convicted the Toronto-area family physician of professional misconduct. But it dismissed as unproven charges that he sexually assaulted hospital employees and patients. Dr. Ross, 51, used Tourette’s, a syndrome characterized by facial and body tics that can lead to jerking movements and to compulsive behaviour, to explain grabbing, pinching, tickling and verbally abusing nurses and patients.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message > MD who grabbed patients convicted of misconduct > By Gay Abbate > Having Tourette’s syndrome explains only some of Stephen Ross’s > strange behaviour with patients and nurses, a discipline committee > of > the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons has concluded. > The committee convicted the Toronto-area family physician of > professional misconduct. But it dismissed as unproven charges that > he > sexually assaulted hospital employees and patients. > Dr. Ross, 51, used Tourette’s, a syndrome characterized by facial > and > body tics that can lead to jerking movements and to compulsive > behaviour, to explain grabbing, pinching, tickling and verbally > abusing nurses and patients.

I just searched for this in The Toronto Star.  www.thestar.com Type Tourette in the "7 day search". I’m puzzled about something Dr. Sandor is quoted as saying there. i.e.  "One in five Tourette’s patients has difficulty reading social signals."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Subject: Re: Doc with TS >From: "Lara" kbu…@tpg.com.au >Date: 10/28/04 4:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <41817…@dnews.tpgi.com.au> >"Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message >> MD who grabbed patients convicted of misconduct >> By Gay Abbate >> Having Tourette’s syndrome explains only some of Stephen Ross’s >> strange behaviour with patients and nurses, a discipline committee >> of >> the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons has concluded. >> The committee convicted the Toronto-area family physician of >> professional misconduct. But it dismissed as unproven charges that >> he >> sexually assaulted hospital employees and patients. >> Dr. Ross, 51, used Tourette’s, a syndrome characterized by facial >> and >> body tics that can lead to jerking movements and to compulsive >> behaviour, to explain grabbing, pinching, tickling and verbally >> abusing nurses and patients. >I just searched for this in The Toronto Star.  www.thestar.com >Type Tourette in the "7 day search". >I’m puzzled about something Dr. Sandor is quoted as saying there. >i.e.  "One in five Tourette’s patients has difficulty reading social >signals."

What’s puzzling about that? TS’ers have an impulse disorder. Their having an impulse disorder necissatates they  focus an inordinate amount of attention internally to guard against or suppress their impulses or acting on impulse. their having to pay an inordinate amount of conscious attention to  what’s going on internally,  diverting attention from what’s all going down in the externeal world around them. Think about what happens when you drive a car. Your mind attends to the  conditions on the road,  while your body movements to adjust steering wheel,  change gears,  speed up or slow down are automatic, second nature –done without conscious thought. But,  if you have a tic that impels you to jerk the steering wheel,  or step on the gas,  or the brake,  or flick the signal lights on and off…your life depends upon your giving an inordinate amount of attention to guarding against,  suppressing or not acting on such  impulse. Therefoe, your attention is INTERNALLY focused,  rather than externatlly focused…so you constantly failing to notice changing conditions on the road or the signals of the cars around you. Living with tourettes is like having to navigate highly trafficed road ways, while most of your attention is focused on what’s going on inside the car, rather than outside of it. smash,  boom, bam—-you are accident prone socially.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Tiffanyattrop" <tiffanyatt…@aol.com> wrote in message > >Subject: Re: Doc with TS >>From: "Lara" kbu…@tpg.com.au >>Date: 10/28/04 4:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time >>Message-id: <41817…@dnews.tpgi.com.au> >>"Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message >>> MD who grabbed patients convicted of misconduct >>> By Gay Abbate >>> Having Tourette’s syndrome explains only some of Stephen Ross’s >>> strange behaviour with patients and nurses, a discipline committee >>> of >>> the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons has concluded. >>> The committee convicted the Toronto-area family physician of >>> professional misconduct. But it dismissed as unproven charges that >>> he >>> sexually assaulted hospital employees and patients. >>> Dr. Ross, 51, used Tourette’s, a syndrome characterized by facial >>> and >>> body tics that can lead to jerking movements and to compulsive >>> behaviour, to explain grabbing, pinching, tickling and verbally >>> abusing nurses and patients. >>I just searched for this in The Toronto Star.  www.thestar.com >>Type Tourette in the "7 day search". >>I’m puzzled about something Dr. Sandor is quoted as saying there. >>i.e.  "One in five Tourette’s patients has difficulty reading social >>signals." > What’s puzzling about that? > TS’ers have an impulse disorder. > Their having an impulse disorder necissatates they  focus an > inordinate amount > of attention internally to guard against or suppress their impulses > or acting > on impulse. > their having to pay an inordinate amount of conscious attention to > what’s > going on internally,  diverting attention from what’s all going down > in the > externeal world around them. > Think about what happens when you drive a car. > Your mind attends to the  conditions on the road,  while your body > movements to > adjust steering wheel,  change gears,  speed up or slow down are > automatic, > second nature –done without conscious thought. > But,  if you have a tic that impels you to jerk the steering wheel, > or step on > the gas,  or the brake,  or flick the signal lights on and > off…your life > depends upon your giving an inordinate amount of attention to > guarding against, > suppressing or not acting on such  impulse. > Therefoe, your attention is INTERNALLY focused,  rather than > externatlly > focused…so you constantly failing to notice changing conditions on > the road > or the signals of the cars around you. > Living with tourettes is like having to navigate highly trafficed > road ways, > while most of your attention is focused on what’s going on inside > the car, > rather than outside of it. > smash,  boom, bam—-you are accident prone socially.

What’s that got to do with the ability to read social signals? Those things you have written about weren’t what I was thinking a social signal would be. I’m asking a serious question because I don’t understand what the good doctor meant. Lara

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"Lara" <kbu…@tpg.com.au> wrote in message

news:4182b4cc@dnews.tpgi.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Tiffanyattrop" <tiffanyatt…@aol.com> wrote in message > > >Subject: Re: Doc with TS > >>From: "Lara" kbu…@tpg.com.au > >>Date: 10/28/04 4:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time > >>Message-id: <41817…@dnews.tpgi.com.au> > >>"Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message > >>> MD who grabbed patients convicted of misconduct > >>> By Gay Abbate > >>> Having Tourette’s syndrome explains only some of Stephen Ross’s > >>> strange behaviour with patients and nurses, a discipline committee > >>> of > >>> the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons has concluded. > >>> The committee convicted the Toronto-area family physician of > >>> professional misconduct. But it dismissed as unproven charges that > >>> he > >>> sexually assaulted hospital employees and patients. > >>> Dr. Ross, 51, used Tourette’s, a syndrome characterized by facial > >>> and > >>> body tics that can lead to jerking movements and to compulsive > >>> behaviour, to explain grabbing, pinching, tickling and verbally > >>> abusing nurses and patients. > >>I just searched for this in The Toronto Star.  www.thestar.com > >>Type Tourette in the "7 day search". > >>I’m puzzled about something Dr. Sandor is quoted as saying there. > >>i.e.  "One in five Tourette’s patients has difficulty reading social > >>signals." > > What’s puzzling about that? > > TS’ers have an impulse disorder. > > Their having an impulse disorder necissatates they  focus an > > inordinate amount > > of attention internally to guard against or suppress their impulses > > or acting > > on impulse. > > their having to pay an inordinate amount of conscious attention to > > what’s > > going on internally,  diverting attention from what’s all going down > > in the > > externeal world around them. > > Think about what happens when you drive a car. > > Your mind attends to the  conditions on the road,  while your body > > movements to > > adjust steering wheel,  change gears,  speed up or slow down are > > automatic, > > second nature –done without conscious thought. > > But,  if you have a tic that impels you to jerk the steering wheel, > > or step on > > the gas,  or the brake,  or flick the signal lights on and > > off…your life > > depends upon your giving an inordinate amount of attention to > > guarding against, > > suppressing or not acting on such  impulse. > > Therefoe, your attention is INTERNALLY focused,  rather than > > externatlly > > focused…so you constantly failing to notice changing conditions on > > the road > > or the signals of the cars around you. > > Living with tourettes is like having to navigate highly trafficed > > road ways, > > while most of your attention is focused on what’s going on inside > > the car, > > rather than outside of it. > > smash,  boom, bam—-you are accident prone socially. > What’s that got to do with the ability to read social signals? > Those things you have written about weren’t what I was thinking a > social signal would be. > I’m asking a serious question because I don’t understand what the good > doctor meant.

I am giving you a serious answer. The two primary reasons TS children capacity to read social cues isn’t as well developed as other children are as follows: The TS child primary caretakers have Tourettes and their ticcing makes their body language and social signals confusing to the ts child so they stop trying to read what makes no sense. The TS child’s attention in social situations is ALWAYS divided between what’s going on internally,  suppressing tics,  and resisting impulses,  and the external world…with an inordinate amount of focus on consciously inhibiting impulses owing to their not having the inhibition system built into most other children’s brain. Children not having to divide their attention can attend to what’s going on around them in social situations and learn social signals easily….which TS children divided attention makes them oblivious to.

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Hey, you guys, don’t get too excited: the reporting in this case, with which I’m familiar is INADEQUATE (as usual). There’s no evidence I know of that 1 in 5 persons with TS has difficulty reading social signals. The question here (IMHO) wasn’t the TS (only): it was whether a doctor who was doing all these weird things for years had a responsibility to do something about it, or to explain himself — tics or not, even if he didn’t knopw his official diagnoses. Roger "TSN" <t…@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:4183EFED.29D9191E@optonline.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lara wrote: > > >>"Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > >>> MD who grabbed patients convicted of misconduct > > >>> By Gay Abbate > > >>> Having Tourette’s syndrome explains only some of Stephen Ross’s > > >>> strange behaviour with patients and nurses, a discipline committee > > >>> of > > >>> the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons has concluded. > > >>> The committee convicted the Toronto-area family physician of > > >>> professional misconduct. But it dismissed as unproven charges that > > >>> he sexually assaulted hospital employees and patients. > > >>> Dr. Ross, 51, used Tourette’s, a syndrome characterized by facial > > >>> and > > >>> body tics that can lead to jerking movements and to compulsive > > >>> behaviour, to explain grabbing, pinching, tickling and verbally > > >>> abusing nurses and patients. > Jo, it would be great if you would provide the URL when you quote an > article. > Besides being good practice, it helps us track down the source of the > article, read the entire article, and we wouldn’t want you to be charged > with copyright violation for quoting an article without citing the source. > In trying to follow up on Lara’s question, I found what seems to be the > source of your article:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/200410… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It was appropriately titled (emphasis mine): > MD who grabbed patients CONVICTED OF MISCONDUCT > And,  I found this article > http://www.simcoe.com/sc/alliston/story/2308986p-2675750c.html > which was also titled, > College says Ross GUILTY OF MISCONDUCT. > "A doctor who recently pleaded guilty to numerous criminal charges, > including sexual assault, has been found guilty of professional misconduct > by the body that governs physicians in Ontario.   However, the > disciplinary committee for the College of Physicians and Surgeons of > Ontario found Dr. Stephen Ross not guilty of the more serious charges it > was considering, the alleged sexual abuse of staff and patients. > His lawyer told the committee Ross couldn’t help himself because he > suffers from Tourette’s Syndrome (TS). " > Fortunately, the man had already pleaded guilty in the criminal case for > sexual assault, before the panel of 5 made it harder for persons with tics > to become physicians. > The day that Tourette’s is accepted as a legal excuse for a physician’s > criminal behavior is the day that it will be harder for persons with tics > to become physicians. > And I can name several people I know with TS, ADHD and OCD who would make > great and competent physicians, and who do know right from wrong. > When "he couldn’t help himself because of TS" becomes a legal excuse for > criminal conduct, we’re all in trouble. > Some five member committee decided to ignore the fact that he had already > pleaded guilty to criminal charges, and accept the reasoning of a > psychiatrist who conferred a TS diagnosis as the explanation for his > behavior. > A dangerous precedent: physician gets into criminal trouble, and another > physician explains it with recently-diagnosed TS. > Oops, the tics made me do it. > The tics made me hit the accelerator pedal and run over and kill the > fellow, too (Anne Heche case – who remembers the show?) > > >>I just searched for this in The Toronto Star.  www.thestar.com > > >>Type Tourette in the "7 day search". > > >>I’m puzzled about something Dr. Sandor is quoted as saying there. > > >>i.e.  "One in five Tourette’s patients has difficulty reading social > > >>signals." > Besides the fact that either the reporter, or the psychiatrist, failed to > provide a more thorough discussion of comorbid conditions when present > along with TS, it is interesting to note the Toronto Star’s headline, in > contrast to the other two. > While other newspaper headlines are emphasizing that Ross was GUILTY > (appropriate, considering he had already pleaded guilty), the Toronto Star > chose to angle their story with a headline of: > Doctor with Tourette’s CLEARED of sexual abuse

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layou… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "A Toronto-area doctor who poked and touched patients and rubbed against > nurses has been cleared of sexual abuse by a disciplinary board, > partially  because he has Tourette’s syndrome. > Ross is the first doctor to cite this disease as part of his defence in a > disciplinary hearing before the college. > The condition affecting the married father of four went undiagnosed until > he was  examined in 2003 by Toronto psychiatrist Dr. Paul Sandor, who also > found that Ross suffers from attention deficit syndrome and > obsessive-compulsive disorder. > One in five Tourette’s patients has difficulty reading social signals, and > Ross tended to minimize the effect of his actions, Sandor said." > Given that the Toronto Star has come under increasing scrutiny because of > its bias, the choice of their headline and story angle is not surprising. > > I’m asking a serious question because I don’t understand what the good > > doctor meant. > Who does? > — > Tourette Syndrome – Now What? > http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

Response:

"Roger D. Freeman, M.D." wrote: > Hey, you guys, don’t get too excited: the reporting in this case, with which > I’m familiar is INADEQUATE (as usual).

That’s no surprise … "as usual" for sure !! Each newspaper seemed to put a whole different spin on the story ! > There’s no evidence I know of that 1 in 5 persons with TS has difficulty > reading social signals.

whew — thought not ) I hope the reporters, rather than the physicians involved, were responsible for the misquoting. > The question here (IMHO) wasn’t the TS (only): it was whether a doctor who > was doing all these weird things for years had a responsibility to do > something about it, or to explain himself — tics or not, even if he didn’t > knopw his official diagnoses.

No kidding … that sums it up nicely. It seems to me that, tics or not, a Dr. does have a responsibility to know right from wrong in terms of how he interacts with patients and co-workers. As it seems (from all I’ve read) that Mort Doran, with TS, OCD and ADHD, was able to do … — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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[ Not to be confused with other recent ast Linda nyms: "Adinl" <Ad...@nospam.com> adinlli...@aol.com (Adinllinda) getnstron...@hotmail.com (Linda) Linda <li...@om.nspmcom> "Linda" <Li...@noemail.com> "Linda" <Li...@nospam.com> LInda <Li...@nospam.com> Linda <Li...@nospam.comnojunk> "Linda" <li...@nozpam.com> Li...@nspam.comnojunk "Linda" <li...@y.comnojunk> Linda <Li...@zom.nspmcom> "Linda" <nos...@nospam.com> lindaglasve...@aol.comnojunk (Linda) tiffanyatt...@aol.com (Tiffanyattrop) ] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Adinl" <Ad…@nospam.com> wrote: > "Lara" <kbu…@tpg.com.au> wrote in message > news:4182b4cc@dnews.tpgi.com.au… > > What’s that got to do with the ability to read social signals? > > Those things you have written about weren’t what I was thinking a > > social signal would be. > > I’m asking a serious question because I don’t understand what the good > > doctor meant. > I am giving you a serious answer. > The two primary reasons TS children capacity to read social cues isn’t as > well developed as other children are as follows: > The TS child primary caretakers have Tourettes and their ticcing makes their > body language and social signals confusing to the ts child so they stop > trying to read what makes no sense.

I can’t figure what data or reasoning this statement is based upon. Why do you assume that all or most primary caretakers of children with TS also have TS? Or that, if they did, their tics would confuse the child’s ability to read social cues? (For example, do shoulder shrugging or neck stretching or throat clearing cause problems for children in interpreting social cues?) > The TS child’s attention in social situations is ALWAYS divided between > what’s going on internally,  suppressing tics,  and resisting impulses,  and > the external world…with an inordinate amount of focus on consciously > inhibiting impulses owing to their not having the inhibition system built > into most other children’s brain.

You assume that all children with TS are always trying to suppress tics ? You further assume that this prevents them from reading social cues? It doesn’t fit here, at all. In fact, the opposite argument could be made:  that children with tics are MORE tuned in to social cues, because they are aware of or concerned about being teased or being different. > Children not having to divide their attention can attend to what’s going on > around them in social situations and learn social signals easily….which > TS children divided attention makes them oblivious to.

Two children with tics here, no problems with understanding or interpreting social cues, in fact, both very well versed in those areas.

Response:

‘Twas Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:47:57 -0400 when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as TSN <t…@optonline.net> uttered: >Jo, it would be great if you would provide the URL when you quote an >article.

ditto >In trying to follow up on Lara’s question, I found what seems to be the >source of your article: >http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/200410… >It was appropriately titled (emphasis mine): >MD who grabbed patients CONVICTED OF MISCONDUCT

News headlines are an interesting thing.  The most important thing to remember, the writer of the article provides a title, but the editors always change it.  Sometimes a single title goes out on the wire and nearly everyone uses it, but more often the story runs with dozens of titles, reflecting the editor’s spin. — RB |  

Shallow hypocrits

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I was reading through the archives and ran across ASt posters vengeful campaign to exact retribution against Dr.  Laura for suggesting it be ok to exclude a child with tourettes from a wedding. How shallow and hypocritical it is for AST posters to engage in aggressive activiities to purge and cleanse TS’ers from AST,  a support group chartered specifically for TS’ers,   while the the purgers engage in vengefilled campaigned to  exact retribution against Dr.  Laura for saying it be ok to exclude from a wedding. I truly don’t  understand why TS’ers believe society is under an obligation to  include TS’ers in their weddings,  when these very same posters are engaging in aggressive activities to purge and cleanse and exclude TS’ers from their own support groups chartered for them. This message brought to you in mourning over the recent existential  dead bodies of  Nonitpic,  Sara and JMM whom were run off of AST by lies and slander,  threats and a neverending  stream of  insults,  and being treated like pieces of shit,  by persons who chose to gather on this support group to demean,  degrade,  denigrate,  mock,  insult and ridicule the people whom the group was chartered to support.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Adinl wrote: > I was reading through the archives and ran across ASt posters vengeful > campaign to exact retribution against Dr.  Laura for suggesting it be ok to > exclude a child with tourettes from a wedding. > How shallow and hypocritical it is for AST posters to engage in aggressive > activiities to purge and cleanse TS’ers from AST,  a support group chartered > specifically for TS’ers,   while the the purgers engage in vengefilled > campaigned to  exact retribution against Dr.  Laura for saying it be ok to > exclude from a wedding. > I truly don’t  understand why TS’ers believe society is under an obligation > to  include TS’ers in their weddings,  when these very same posters are > engaging in aggressive activities to purge and cleanse and exclude TS’ers > from their own support groups chartered for them. > This message brought to you in mourning over the recent existential  dead > bodies of  Nonitpic,  Sara and JMM whom were run off of AST by lies and > slander,  threats and a neverending  stream of  insults,  and being treated > like pieces of shit,  by persons who chose to gather on this support group > to demean,  degrade,  denigrate,  mock,  insult and ridicule the people whom > the group was chartered to support.

My God, you’re full of shit.

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‘Twas Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:21:51 GMT when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as bluemoon <bluem…@milkyway.net> uttered: >My God, you’re full of shit.

Well you’re right, and I wish you wouldn’t act so smug about it.  Lnida has lost her marbles again, and it seems to happen when the pooper troopers from s.p.p descend on a.s.t to attack her.  I am not sure why you do this. — RB |  

I am sorry

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> I dunno…it seems we have our fair share of female bullies…. > jo

Yes I agree Jo, all that I claim is true but NOT one item she claimed is true about me…when my late mom saw her get out of my car , my mom cringded for she knew just what P is about. My uncle ,  the teacher at the school she supposedly attended, told she never came back after the first class. I could go on but it is as much as a waste of time  with those of you who believe in fantises. I refer to my real stalkers not P who does not have the ability to do what they have done…….all she did was to give me a foul taste in my mouth when it comes to blonds. And where I know live they infest the  country side. Only difference now is that it is legal to carry a firearm here so you fillin the blanks P is dead to me as a subject. I make my attacks or "vulgar" references to others that none of you know about but do lurk and read here…..so if you don’t like it? Killfile me or don’t read…………who cares? Not I ahahahahahah

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>Subject: Re: I am sorry >From: "What about Bob??" ka1…@charter.net >Date: 10/26/04 4:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <10ntm674kb72…@corp.supernews.com> >DO NOT want to learn any more………..just want peace and quiet and sex

Peace and freedom from the unwelcome and unwanted communications of malicious persons who have made a conscious decision to destroy another via cyberharassment and malicious defamation is  all targets of cyberstalking want too!.   cyberstalkers post harassing posts of a malicious and libelous nature to inflame or provoke their targets into responding; -therefore,  resuming communications with persons who have made their malicious intent toward the target known to the target. Once a target accepts that the obsessional pursuit of the deranged cyberstalkers is one inciting the cyberstalkers to pursue a target  no matter how many times a target changes nyms,  ISP’s,  newsreaders,  and forums,  then,  the target must IGNORE,  ENDURE and work to transcend the cyberstalkers harassment and libel. I ignore,  endure and seek to transcend the vicious cyberstalking being engaged in towards me. I advise bystanders to ignore,  endure and work to transcending the cyberstalkers hostile presence on the ng. If you posted this message owing to your haven to chose to scapegoat me…for their aggression…then I will killfile you along with the cyberstalkers and those who scapegoat targets for the aggressio of abusers. As I find it  abusive to me to be scapegoated by  bystanders for the aggression of cyberstalkers.

Response:

Nuther sock puppet of Lindas. "Tiffanyattrop" <tiffanyatt…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20041026232115.01624.00003142@mb-m28.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Subject: Re: I am sorry > >From: "What about Bob??" ka1…@charter.net > >Date: 10/26/04 4:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time > >Message-id: <10ntm674kb72…@corp.supernews.com> > >DO NOT want to learn any more………..just want peace and quiet and sex > Peace and freedom from the unwelcome and unwanted communications of > malicious persons who have made a conscious decision to destroy another via > cyberharassment and malicious defamation is  all targets of > cyberstalking want too!.   > cyberstalkers post harassing posts of a malicious and libelous nature to > inflame or provoke their targets into responding; -therefore,  resuming > communications with persons who have made their malicious intent toward the > target known to the target. > Once a target accepts that the obsessional pursuit of the deranged > cyberstalkers is one inciting the cyberstalkers to pursue a target  no matter > how many times a target changes nyms,  ISP’s,  newsreaders,  and forums, then, >  the target must IGNORE,  ENDURE and work to transcend the cyberstalkers > harassment and libel. > I ignore,  endure and seek to transcend the vicious cyberstalking being engaged > in towards me. > I advise bystanders to ignore,  endure and work to transcending the > cyberstalkers hostile presence on the ng. > If you posted this message owing to your haven to chose to scapegoat me…for > their aggression…then I will killfile you along with the cyberstalkers and > those who scapegoat targets for the aggressio of abusers. > As I find it  abusive to me to be scapegoated by  bystanders for the aggression > of cyberstalkers.

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"Jodi" <hellofromj…@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message

news:10nu61snglq914c@corp.supernews.com… > Nuther sock puppet of Lindas. > "Tiffanyattrop

Sigh….ya think? I actually stopped myself the other day from saying "Owing to….something something". Now THAT’s scary! Jo

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Ka1…@charter.net wrote: >Subject: Re: I am sorry >Path: >lobby!ngtf-m01.news.aol.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!feed2.newsreader.com!news

reader.com!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.n et!colt.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!sn-xit-02!sn-xit- 01!sn-post-01!supernews.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail >From: "What about Bob??" ka1…@charter.net >Newsgroups: alt.support.tourette >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:09:40 -0500 >Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com >Message-ID: <10nu4bsoc1fp…@corp.supernews.com> >References: <10nreu26ccvt…@corp.supernews.com> ><yJqdnSxfzsezI-DcRVn…@comcast.com> <417E4BA3.408E…@optonline.net> ><6-qdnTBhdrTN7-PcRVn…@comcast.com> <417E7A01.E0F31…@optonline.net> ><_f6dnWDawaQn4-PcRVn…@comcast.com> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 >X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original >X-Complaints-To: ab…@supernews.com >Lines: 24 >> I dunno…it seems we have our fair share of female bullies…. >> jo >Yes I agree Jo, all that I claim is true but NOT one item she claimed is >true about me…when my late mom saw her get out of my car , my mom cringded >for she knew just what P is about. >My uncle ,  the teacher at the school she supposedly attended, told she >never came back after the first class. >I could go on but it is as much as a waste of time  with those of you who >believe in fantises. >I refer to my real stalkers not P who does not have the ability to do what >they have done…….all she did was to give me a foul taste in my mouth >when it comes to blonds. And where I know live they infest the  country >side. Only difference now is that it is legal to carry a firearm here so you >fillin the blanks >P is dead to me as a subject. I make my attacks or "vulgar" references to >others that none of you know about but do lurk and read here…..so if you >don’t like it? >Killfile me or don’t read…………who cares? Not I ahahahahahah

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"What about Bob??" <ka1…@charter.net> wrote in message news:10ntm674kb72h22@corp.supernews.com… > DO NOT want to learn any more………..just want peace and quiet and sex

Peace via freedom from the unwelcome and unwanted communications from malicious persons who have made a conscious decision to destroy them via cyberharassment and malicious defamation is all that ng targets of cyberstalking want too!.   The cyberstalkers flame people whom they pursue unwanted and unwelcome communications with  by posting the most outrageous and libelous assertions they can think up to try to BAIT the people who don’t want their communications into replying. If they can inflame the target to reply—-that it appears as if it’s a two way street…hence targets have to killfile SPP stalkers and their supplicants. So then the stalkers attempt to flame the target in comversations with other posters on the ng…some of whom argue with the cyberstalkers which subverts each forum into a place  where the cyberstalker and those he/she recruit—flame the target. all a target of cyberstalking and malicious libel can do is IGNORE,  ENDURE, and seek to transcend it. Bystanders ought to do the same….really. You see what’s happened to JMM and Nonitpic for expressing objection to what’s occuring on AST—-and I notice Sara has decided AST is too sick a place for her to participate in. You know who the malicious gossips are…and who tries to post on topic, supportive posts. killfile the malicious gossips…and read the few remaining posters who contineu to post on topic …supportive posts.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jo Cohen wrote: > "TSN" <t…@optonline.net> wrote in message > news:417E4BA3.408E5A6@optonline.net… > > Jo Cohen wrote: > > > "What about Bob??" <ka1…@charter.net> wrote in message > > > news:10nreu26ccvtaf9@corp.supernews.com… > > > > But this flaming BS is not truely about TS and in fact with some > of > > > us , > > > > makes our TS worse. That said, instead of helping here on ast > you > > > have > > > > successfully stopped those of us with serious TS symptoms from > > > posting to > > > > get help, support or to vent. THAT is what ast is for not the > > > flaming crap > > > > it has turned into. > > > > I may lose what little support I still had here, but FUCK > it……I > > > have > > > > gone it alone most of my life so what is one more dysfuctional > > > > family…….FUCK you and the horse you are mating with! > > > Sigh…I agree with Bob….not about the horse, but about the > ranting > > > in general….it is very negative and doesn’t seem to add much to > the > > > quality of AST…. > > > Jo > > And, of course, you’ll agree that what he has done to P. all these > years > > is EXACTLY the same as what he is now complaining about??? > > What is it with double standards these days? > > He does it regardless of the fact that she no longer even posts > here, > > that she does nothing to encourage his exceedingly vulgar attacks on > her, > > and then HE claims this ng is about support for those with TS? > > PLEASE !!!!! > > If he wants a support ng, let it begin with him !!! > > And if HE wants to post disgustingly vulgar claims about another > family > > with TS, then let others stand up to him as much as they stand up to > > anyone else who they accuse of disrupting the support here !!! > OK, you have a good point here. Bob, we’ve asked you before to not > post vulgar stuff about P. or any other "AST ladies". > Jo

Thanks, Jo. I am increasingly troubled by the way it seems to be OK to attack women on ast, with a minority of men defending the bullies. — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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> Thanks, Jo. > I am increasingly troubled by the way it seems to be OK to attack women on > ast, with a minority of men defending the bullies. > — > Tourette Syndrome – Now What? > http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

I dunno…it seems we have our fair share of female bullies…. jo

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>I dunno…it seems we have our fair share of female bullies….

That too )

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -TSN wrote: > Andy Booth wrote: >>Pablo wrote: >>>"Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>news:yJqdnSxfzsezI-DcRVn-pg@comcast.com… >>>>"What about Bob??" <ka1…@charter.net> wrote in message >>>>news:10nreu26ccvtaf9@corp.supernews.com… >>>>>But this flaming BS is not truely about TS and in fact with some of >>>>us , >>>>>makes our TS worse. That said, instead of helping here on ast you >>>>have >>>>>successfully stopped those of us with serious TS symptoms from >>>>posting to >>>>>get help, support or to vent. THAT is what ast is for not the >>>>flaming crap >>>>>it has turned into. >>>>>I may lose what little support I still had here, but FUCK it……I >>>>have >>>>>gone it alone most of my life so what is one more dysfuctional >>>>>family…….FUCK you and the horse you are mating with! >>>>Sigh…I agree with Bob….not about the horse, but about the ranting >>>>in general….it is very negative and doesn’t seem to add much to the >>>>quality of AST…. >>>>Jo >>>I am up for suggestions. >>>Pablo >>Suggestion: Just "take it outside"….? If there isn’t already a place, >>drop a proposal into alt.config for alt.tourettes.arguments, there >>certainly seems a need for it….:( >>luv >>Andy > Nice suggestion, Andy, but you wouldn’t get Linda to use it. > She frequents support newsgroups.

Sounds like the same sticking point to a good plan as getting the posters claiming "ADHD is just a myth" or "ADHD is just a bogus diagnosis made up by the APA (or the pharmaceutical companies, or schools, or a conspiracy involving any combination thereof)," to post to alt.support.attn-deficit.doesn’t-exist instead of ASAD. No matter how many times a ASAD poster points out that there’s a newsgroup just for disbelievers, they simply refuse to post there. You know, as far-fetched as it may seem, it kind of makes me think some people post in ngs just to stir up trouble. Nancy Unique, like everyone else

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"Pablo" <n…@yes.com> wrote in message

news:Nelfd.8843$ta5.8280@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:yJqdnSxfzsezI-DcRVn-pg@comcast.com… > > "What about Bob??" <ka1…@charter.net> wrote in message > > news:10nreu26ccvtaf9@corp.supernews.com… > > > But this flaming BS is not truely about TS and in fact with some of > > us , > > > makes our TS worse. That said, instead of helping here on ast you > > have > > > successfully stopped those of us with serious TS symptoms from > > posting to > > > get help, support or to vent. THAT is what ast is for not the > > flaming crap > > > it has turned into. > > > I may lose what little support I still had here, but FUCK it……I > > have > > > gone it alone most of my life so what is one more dysfuctional > > > family…….FUCK you and the horse you are mating with! > > Sigh…I agree with Bob….not about the horse, but about the ranting > > in general….it is very negative and doesn’t seem to add much to the > > quality of AST…. > > Jo > I am up for suggestions. > Pablo

Actually, I’m not up for suggestions.  I am going to bed.  ;-)

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Linda wrote: > The only persons whose behavior I assume responsibility for is MINE.

Please do, for a change. > I have posted Notices to the following persons currently cyberharassing and > maliciously defaming me on AST.

Linda "nuke ‘em" Gore has found a use for Google. She has actually made a post that she has not later nuked form the archives!!! > I also posted similiar notices to Mark Morin,  an estranged relative,

Mark Morin is your estranged relative? Wow.  Your family tree gets better all the time. > and > three inadequately treated bipolars cyberharassing me on the med ng.

When you say "bipolars," do you mean persons with bipolar disorder? > Having informed the above malicious persons their malicious communications are > unwanted and unwelcome—

All that without providing an example of the behaviors you allege. > cyberrstalkers—and chose instead to  cope with their demonic stalking by > IGNORING,

Please, please, please DO ignore us. We would be thrilled ! > Naturally,  my physicians are documenting  the physical illness I present with

Sounds like your physicians are as good as your lawyers. If they’re documenting how ill Usenet makes you, they should be telling you to stop engaging in something that makes you so ill. > while being so viciously cyberstalked and maliciously  defamed and libeled, > and my survivors

Survivors? Planning on leaving us soon? Or just having a minor engage in your Usenet fantasy? Example of libel and defamation, please. > have documented and continued to document  all the stalkers > cyberharassment and malicious defamation of me,  so my survivors can hold the > stalkers criminally or civilly liable for  any harm their malicious pursuit of > unwanted communications to me is demonstrated to have caused me or my > survivors.

They’ve got no case, dear. If Usenet is so bad for your health that it’s killing you, it would be up to you to leave Usenet. It’s kind of like people trying to sue McDonald’s for making them fat. > Since my being viciously stalked incites distres and anxiety which in turn > induces tics,  especially in my posts..

How DOES one tic "especially in posts?" > One of the AST’s most  recent casualities of the  control freakery running amok > on AST….suggested there’s a real great book on anxiety related tics. >  "Freeing Your Child from Anxiety." by   Tamar Chansky’s.

It’s written for parents. Who’s your papi? > woman whose TICCING primarily consists in ticcing in posts owing to anxiety > arising from having been cyberstalked for years.

Ticcing in posts, again. > have to cope with their SHIT,  or watch it.

So, when we ask that people stop being vulgar to the "ast ladies," you’re exempt, huh? > IF your message was addressed to me,  cause you too are scapegoating me for > THEIR behavior–I will killfile you—

Since you’ve now got most of the ng killfiled according to you, PLEASE do follow up on your promise to start ignoring us, so we can go back to talking about tics that happen "especially" in real life. — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Linda wrote: >>Subject: I am sorry >>From: "What about Bob??" ka1…@charter.net >>Date: 10/25/04 7:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time >>Message-id: <10nreu26ccvt…@corp.supernews.com> >>But this flaming BS is not truely about TS and in fact with some of us , >>makes our TS worse. That said, instead of helping here on ast you have >>successfully stopped those of us with serious TS symptoms from posting to >>get help, support or to vent. THAT is what ast is for not the flaming crap >>it has turned into. >>I may lose what little support I still had here, but FUCK it……I have >>gone it alone most of my life so what is one more dysfuctional >>family…….FUCK you and the horse you are mating with! > I don’t know who you are talking to. > I cope with the vicious cyberharassment and malicious defamation being engaged > in towards me  the best I can. > And,  the best I can is good enough for me. > I assume NO responsibility for the malicious posts of persons whose > derangement incites them to seek vengence  upon me for rejecting > "relationships" with them,  by  their vindictively obsessionally pursuing me > from forum to forum and viciously cyberharassing and maliciously  defame me.in > pursuit of  unwanted and unwelcome communications with me. > I assume NO responsibility for the behavior of any of the many bystanders who > chose to scapegoat the target of vicious cyberstalking  to justify the > bystanders  participating in the vicious and  malicious pack attacks and > cyberlynchings of cyberstalking targets they choe to participate in. . > I assume NO responsibility for any action the  SPP stalkers professional peers > take owing professional peers  belief the  SPP stalkers are publicly disgracing > the psychology  profession and/or  engaging in unethical behavior by misuing > their training to abuse private citizens on usenet. > I assume NO responsibility for the reactions or behavior of the many other > targets of the SPP stalkers malicious cyberharassment and defamation in other > support groups,  or in the paranormal,  scientology,  conspiracy theory,  AUK, > troll,   etc forums. > The only persons whose behavior I assume responsibility for is MINE. > My reaction consists of the following: > Anytime a poster whose identity or alias is known to me  posts a communication > to me or about me where they express a malicious intent  towards me or a threat > to  "DO" something about me or my posting to my  ng’s,    I post a notice to > the malicious person that their  communications are unwelcome and unwanted by > me. > I have posted Notices to the following persons currently cyberharassing and > maliciously defaming me on AST. > 11/23/01 Notice to Deborah Bentley of Tampa Bay Florida —  . > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9tm4qi%24e2f%240%40dosa.alt.net&… > t=gplain > 1/30/04 Notice to Pablo aka John Doe > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=101l4qgd5ea4j4d%40news20.fortein… > &output=gplain > 10/15/04 Notice to Dan L. Rogers  aka Frye > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20041014210109.04552.00003584%40… > 7.aol.com&output=gplain. > 10/25/04 Notice to TSNW > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b4561f33.0410251044.582a79de%40p… > g.google.com&output=gplain > I also posted similiar notices to Mark Morin,  an estranged relative,  and > three inadequately treated bipolars cyberharassing me on the med ng. > Having informed the above malicious persons their malicious communications are > unwanted and unwelcome—and being aware their derangement is one includes > obsessional pursuiing me no mattter  what nym,  ISP,  newsreader,  forum I > participate in,   I have ceased engaging in measures to hide from these > cyberrstalkers—and chose instead to  cope with their demonic stalking by > IGNORING,  ENDURING and seeking to transcend my having such deranged and > vindictive people stalking me. > Naturally,  my physicians are documenting  the physical illness I present with > while being so viciously cyberstalked and maliciously  defamed and libeled, > and my survivors have documented and continued to document  all the stalkers > cyberharassment and malicious defamation of me,  so my survivors can hold the > stalkers criminally or civilly liable for  any harm their malicious pursuit of > unwanted communications to me is demonstrated to have caused me or my > survivors. > Since my being viciously stalked incites distres and anxiety which in turn > induces tics,  especially in my posts…I have been looking for help in > reducing the anxiety inducing my ticcing so badly so LATE IN LIFE. . > One of the AST’s most  recent casualities of the  control freakery running amok > on AST….suggested there’s a real great book on anxiety related tics. >  "Freeing Your Child from Anxiety." by   Tamar Chansky’s. > According to a book review   > "In Freeing Your Child From Anxiety, a childhood anxiety disorder specialist > examines all manifestations of childhood fears, including social anxiety, > Tourette

AMT & 5-meo-DMT Placed on Schedule I

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"Dan" <danl…@softhome.net> wrote in message

news:1e95328b.0410281725.62949de1@posting.google.com… > You can also order Virola Resin, which is 5-meo-dmt, online @ www.shamanshop.com, > Dan > Randall Bart

Hey Randall, want any medicinal ‘herbs’ from New Mexico!? Ha….. jo

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‘Twas 24 Oct 2004 14:09:06 -0700 when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as bb_use…@erowid.org (Fire Erowid) uttered: >5-MeO-DMT has not been specifically placed into schedule I.  AMT has >been, and at the same time, 5-MeO-DIPT was also…so I’m guessing >that’s where the confusion is. It is certainly possible for 5-MeO-DMT >to be considered an analog of N,N-DMT under the Federal Analogue act, >but that’s a different matter.

Thanx for the correction.  I saw a similar correction on the list I got this from. — RB |  

Any in UK watching Channel 4 "What made Mozart Tic?"

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I would like to get a copy of this movie.  If anyone in the UK is going to watch it and can record it, could I get a copy from you?  I will pay for video tape and shipping. It plays on Channel 4 at 20:00 according to the http://www.channel4.com website. I have a website page on Mozart and the subject with combined stories and would like to add to it. http://www.tourettes-disorder.com/mozart.html Thank you, please contact me at below. Paul Marshall edi…@tourettes-disorder.com

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"Paul Marshall" <mrindianajones…@msn.com> wrote in message

news:edbb24d4.0410161230.192b683b@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I would like to get a copy of this movie.  If anyone in the UK is > going to watch it and can record it, could I get a copy from you?  I > will pay for video tape and shipping. > It plays on Channel 4 at 20:00 according to the > http://www.channel4.com website. > I have a website page on Mozart and the subject with combined stories > and would like to add to it. > http://www.tourettes-disorder.com/mozart.html > Thank you, please contact me at below. > Paul Marshall > edi…@tourettes-disorder.com

Hi Paul, I forwarded your post to my friend Chris in the UK. Maybe he can help you tape it. Good luck! jo

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"Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message <news:aYidnY8UxKGdBezcRVn-tg@comcast.com>… > Hi Paul, > I forwarded your post to my friend Chris in the UK. Maybe he can help > you tape it. > Good luck! > jo

Thank you jo, I appreciate it. Paul http://www.tourettes-disorder.com

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Political stance

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Did someone email you this?     I am so sick of the whole election thing. The mud-slinging, the he said/she said, its enough to make people NOT vote. I vote by absentee ballot, i have already voted.  Come on the rest of ya’ll, lets get this darn thing over with! Jodi "What about Bob??" <ka1…@charter.net> wrote in message news:10mvmnnkigr3l26@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> THIS did it! > I am voting for ASSama Bin Ladden as US Pres. >   EVEN IF YOUR MIND’S MADE UP, PLEASE READ THIS, THINK AND LETS TRY TO REACH > AS MANY AS WE CAN, PASS IT ON. >   >2004 Election Voter Guide >   >Depending on the way you lean, the following information >   >could have a bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. >   >Issues of Importance? >   >Gay Marriage >   >President Bush is opposed >   >John Kerry favors >   >Partial-Birth Abortion >   >President Bush is opposed >   >John Kerry favors >   >Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools >   >President Bush Favors >   >John Kerry is Opposed >   >Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ >   >President Bush supports Gibson >   >John Kerry participated in Left’s assault on Gibson, suggesting >   >possible anti-Semitism even though Kerry had not seen the film. >   >Assault on boy Scouts for belief in God and not allowing >   >Homosexual Scout Leaders >   >President Bush supports Boy Scouts’ stand >   >John Kerry opposes boy Scouts’ stand >   >Asking for God’s blessing on America >   >President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches >   >John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often >   >Judges >   >President bush says "We need common-sense judges who believe >   >our rights are derived from God." >   >John Kerry insists on judges who support the ACLU’s radical >   >anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is >   >insistent on blocking President Bush’s federal judge appointments. >   >Overall Record >   >President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on >   >his publicly stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative rating >   >from the American Conservative Union if he did. >   >John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral >   >National Journal rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003 — >   >more liberal than Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. >   >With help from you and many others, we aim to distribute 25,000,000 of >   >these Voter Guides in churches and mailboxes to Christian voters across > America. >   >If you agree, please pass this on >   >If you disagree, just delete

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‘Twas Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:10:27 -0500 when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as "What about Bob??" <ka1…@charter.net> uttered: >THIS did it! >I am voting for ASSama Bin Ladden as US Pres.

I don’t care who you vote for, as long as you regret it. — RB |  

Bush's tics and facial grimacing

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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:56:31 -0700, LInda <Li…@nospam.com> wrote: >The pundits are all talking how bush’s tics and facial grimacing are >speaking volumes—-drowning out his words and message >My big interest in the Bush family’s manifesting such in public is >owing to both of bush’s parents being dx’d with thyroid disease. >http://www.skepticfiles.org/socialis/bushthyr.htm >http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa011602a.htm >http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/g41.htm >Wonder if hyperthyroidism is  playing a role in the neuro symptoms >Bush is manifesting which the the pundits are having a field day >over.)

That is a dumb conjecture.  Of course not.   But you always make that mistake: try to look like you know something, only to glare with ignorance and lack of empathy. Two of your ruinous flaws.   Fyre

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Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!news.glorb.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntp server.com!sam.nntpserver.com.POSTED!c1fae7a2!not-for-mail From: LInda <Li…@nospam.com> Newsgroups: alt.support.tourette Subject: Bush’s tics and facial grimacing Reply-To: Li…@nospam.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:57:52 EST Message-ID: <1097794673.O4rq+CtHcktPQ8J+r6jJzg@teranews> X-Abuse-Report: http://www.usenetabuse.com X-Orginal-Message-ID: <mdvtm0pu6s0phb04f0nggphogut2s3i…@4ax.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:56:31 -0700 Xref: uni-berlin.de alt.support.tourette:129251 "LInda" <Li…@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:1097794673.O4rq+CtHcktPQ8J+r6jJzg@teranews… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The pundits are all talking how bush’s tics and facial grimacing are > speaking volumes—-drowning out his words and message > My big interest in the Bush family’s manifesting such in public is > owing to both of bush’s parents being dx’d with thyroid disease. > http://www.skepticfiles.org/socialis/bushthyr.htm > http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa011602a.htm > http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/g41.htm > Wonder if hyperthyroidism is  playing a role in the neuro symptoms > Bush is manifesting which the the pundits are having a field day > over.) > http://hartfordadvocate.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:85641 > http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/98/37/03_1.html > http://www.pe.com/sharedcontent/registration/register.jsp?fw=http://w…

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hynotherapy

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Has any one had any success with hypnotherapy and tics? Thanks

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NONE! Total waste of time for me………Tried it made it worse Reason? I can not relax enough to be put under And the best have tried "David Johnson" <d.johnson7…@bigpond.com> wrote in message

news:ZFBbd.25791$5O5.7261@news-server.bigpond.net.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Has any one had any success with hypnotherapy and tics? > Thanks

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>Has any one had any success with hypnotherapy and tics? >Thanks

I had a hypnotherapist almost kill me in 1984.  He was an internist who read a bunch of books on hypnotherapy and was certified by some group out of Atlanta, Gerogia.  Because of medical mismanagement and alcoholism, he had to give up his Colorado Medical licence. Hypnotherapy is an attempt to get a quick fix and doesn’t work.  

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"Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20041016182422.25923.00002447@mb-m03.aol.com… > >Has any one had any success with hypnotherapy and tics? > >Thanks > I had a hypnotherapist almost kill me in 1984.  He was an internist who read a > bunch of books on hypnotherapy and was certified by some group out of Atlanta, > Gerogia.  Because of medical mismanagement and alcoholism, he had to give up > his Colorado Medical licence. Hypnotherapy is an attempt to get a quick fix and > doesn’t work.

Despite Fred’s bad experience, I believe hypnotherapy, when done appropriately by a well-trained therapist, can have many benefits. For some people it can work wonders, for others not. There is nothing mystical or magical about it; it’s mainly helping people get into a very relaxed state where their brain and mind are more receptive to suggestion. NO hypnotherapist can make a person do something they would not want to do. It simply doesn’t work like that. Self-hypnosis, when a person takes a little time to learn about it and practice and apply it, can be very effective for many things. I’m not sure it can reduce tics per se on its own, but my personal experience as well as professional experience with kid and adult clients is that if you can teach a person to relax quickly and often enough (a la "The Relaxation Response") then you can indeed help yourself reduce tics, even if that’s secondary to becoming more centered, relaxed, less anxious, etc. I find that a lot of people who say "It doesn’t work for me" either haven’t really tried it, or didn’t give it a fair shot. As I believe Bob mentioned, he wasn’t able to relax enough for it to work. That’s the key thing, learning and training the body/mind to relax. For Bob, I might suggest that THAT is the real goal, something that might help in other situations as well…. I find often that it takes a mental reminder to breathe, and to do so slowly and deeply. Before my friend Mike died, we used to joke "Remember to breathe!" My cell phone actually reads "Breathe Jo" when I turn it on…a simply reminder several times during the day is all it takes sometimes to realize I haven’t been breathing well enough. Makes  a big difference in how I feel. I use meditation and relaxation tapes at night, and sometimes first thing in the morning. They are invaluable to me! Jo

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‘Twas 16 Oct 2004 22:24:22 GMT when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as fen…@aol.com (Fenisz) uttered: >Hypnotherapy is an attempt to get a quick fix and >doesn’t work.  

Hypnotherapy has its place, but anything can be done incompetently. — RB |  

She even surprised me.

Question:

For those of you that have been around AST for awhile probably have heard me brag about my daughter. Well, she has gone and done something that even surprised even me. She got herself invited to join a very special academic program next year when she goes to high school. Some of you may have heard of it. It’s call the "International Baccalaureate Program". It has been explained to mom and I as being an academically elite program for talented and gifted kids. To get an invitation she had to score in the 90th percentile nationally on the ITBS test. The principal of the local high school explained it to us as a program for the best of the best. I have always known that she was smart. But this has surprised even me. Every year only about 160 kids out of over 6,000 in the school district are selected. Okay, I’ll quit bragging for the time being. But I reserve the right to continue at a later date. Mark

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news:PwHad.5119$gd1.5080@trnddc08… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> For those of you that have been around AST for awhile probably have heard me > brag about my daughter. Well, she has gone and done something that even > surprised even me. She got herself invited to join a very special academic > program next year when she goes to high school. Some of you may have heard > of it. It’s call the "International Baccalaureate Program". It has been > explained to mom and I as being an academically elite program for talented > and gifted kids. To get an invitation she had to score in the 90th > percentile nationally on the ITBS test. The principal of the local high > school explained it to us as a program for the best of the best. > I have always known that she was smart. But this has surprised even me. > Every year only about 160 kids out of over 6,000 in the school district are > selected. > Okay, I’ll quit bragging for the time being. But I reserve the right to > continue at a later date. > Mark

Congrats to you, your wife, and Margie! Jo

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Congratulations to you and your daughter, Mark!  Way to go. Jodi > "Pit Bull" <pit.bu…@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:PwHad.5119$gd1.5080@trnddc08…

 > For those of you that have been around AST for awhile probably have heard  > me  > brag about my daughter. Well, she has gone and done something that even  > surprised even me. She got herself invited to join a very special academic  > program next year when she goes to high school. Some of you may have heard  > of it. It’s call the "International Baccalaureate Program". It has been  > explained to mom and I as being an academically elite program for talented  > and gifted kids. To get an invitation she had to score in the 90th  > percentile nationally on the ITBS test. The principal of the local high > school explained it to us as a program for the best of the best.

 >  > I have always known that she was smart. But this has surprised even me.  > Every year only about 160 kids out of over 6,000 in the school district  > are  > selected.  >  > Okay, I’ll quit bragging for the time being. But I reserve the right to  > continue at a later date.  >  > Mark  >  > – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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‘Twas Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:42:55 GMT when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as "Pit Bull" <pit.bu…@verizon.net> uttered: >For those of you that have been around AST for awhile probably have heard me >brag about my daughter. Well, she has gone and done something that even >surprised even me. She got herself invited to join a very special academic >program next year when she goes to high school.

Mazeltov! — RB |  

Drugging Children: A Collective Decision to ignore, dismiss, discount EVIDENCE, FACTS, REALITY

Question:

On 09 Oct 2004 22:22:20 GMT, lindaglasve…@aol.comnojunk (Linda) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Columns – October 9, 2004 >Commentary: >How depression drugs affect the mind remains mysterious >By SHANNON BROWNLEE >Guest Commentary >———————– >"Psychiatric researchers first reported that the antidepressants known as SSRIs >could spark suicidal thoughts and actions in young patients back in 1990, just >three years after the first major SSRI, Prozac, hit the market. Since then, >there have been thousands of scientific papers published on these medications. >You