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How does a person that suffers from schizophrenia percieve their own disease?

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"Cymbal Man Freq." <Don’t Bot…@ForgedPostsAnonymous.unorg> wrote in message news:kdE6f.99539$7b6.1651@twister.nyroc.rr.com… > I didn’t know what it was until I was off meds and I could read again.

Doctors wouldn’t allow me to see my medical records, EVER! Apparently, more harm would come to me if I was allowed to read them. That could be a basis for a big-ass lawsuit, couldn’t it?

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I agree…none of us here can make a diagnosis, and no one should self-diagnose. Buther Boy On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:25:24 +0000 (UTC), s…@showingourscars.org – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(slunky) wrote: >r <rr_rsometh…@spamtrap.com> wrote: >> How does a person that suffers from schizophrenia >> percieve their own disease. I can imagine something >> like hearing voices, but i’m more interrested with the >> thought process behind it. >Not much to it for me. I know I have schizophrenia, and have very >peculiar thoughts and actions, but usually if I have an episode I don’t >remember it very well. This, of course, could just be me. >> For example: >> I find myself sometimes stuck on one particular word or >> problem. >> Then i start thinking how would another person see this >> particular word or problem. Then after looking at the word >> or problem, the persons i imagined start interacting with >> eachother and with me. >Sounds more like OCD. Coincidently, sometimes I get stuck on a word and >have to say it over and over and over. It gets irritating, but if I try >to stop I get really nervous and anxious and start acting out. So I keep >repeating it until I can stop. >> I haven’t been diagnosed with schizopheria. >> Is there a online questionaire or something similar? >Yes, but you should see a doctor. No online quiz comes close to a >diagnosis by a doctor. > -slunky

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Scitzaphrenia does not exist so people cannot suffer from it. People get fucked up heads sometimes due to the way this society if foculised (by unsound anto female anti goddess occult rather than sound pagn/tribal and eastern religions…and what the pyscriatric mind (and thus actually reality) police do is enforce this disease and make it real. They are abusers basically. SCARY KARMA SCUM. So in otherwords r, pick another subject for study than western pyscriarty – it’s poisonous fascist dangerous evil…modern day equivalent to the inquistion. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -r wrote: > Hi group, > How does a person that suffers from schizophrenia > percieve their own disease. I can imagine something > like hearing voices, but i’m more interrested with the > thought process behind it. > For example: > I find myself sometimes stuck on one particular word or > problem. > Then i start thinking how would another person see this > particular word or problem. Then after looking at the word > or problem, the persons i imagined start interacting with > eachother and with me. I haven’t been diagnosed with schizopheria. > Is there a online questionaire or something similar? > tia, > r

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King Amdo <King_A…@hotmail.com> wrote: > SCARY KARMA SCUM.

Ah yes, another anti-psychiatry troll for my killfile.  -slunky

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doesn’t sound like sz to me. Look at schizophrenia.com for more info. penguin

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oh jesus whatever fool.

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…anyway go and examine yourself r you fucking weirdo.

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When I first found out I had OCD.. I had actually gone to the doctor because I thought I may be schizophrenic… I am not.  and psychosis didnt set in until years later.. But my first thought when reading the post was, "sounds like OCD" Kim "slunky" <s…@showingourscars.org> wrote in message

news:djhd64$ktf$1@chessie.cirr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->r <rr_rsometh…@spamtrap.com> wrote: >> How does a person that suffers from schizophrenia >> percieve their own disease. I can imagine something >> like hearing voices, but i’m more interrested with the >> thought process behind it. > Not much to it for me. I know I have schizophrenia, and have very > peculiar thoughts and actions, but usually if I have an episode I don’t > remember it very well. This, of course, could just be me. >> For example: >> I find myself sometimes stuck on one particular word or >> problem. >> Then i start thinking how would another person see this >> particular word or problem. Then after looking at the word >> or problem, the persons i imagined start interacting with >> eachother and with me. > Sounds more like OCD. Coincidently, sometimes I get stuck on a word and > have to say it over and over and over. It gets irritating, but if I try > to stop I get really nervous and anxious and start acting out. So I keep > repeating it until I can stop. >> I haven’t been diagnosed with schizopheria. >> Is there a online questionaire or something similar? > Yes, but you should see a doctor. No online quiz comes close to a > diagnosis by a doctor. > -slunky

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"Kim" <monotre…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:I4j7f.19524$E17.19205@fe03.lga… > When I first found out I had OCD.. I had actually gone to the doctor > because I thought I may be schizophrenic… I am not.  and psychosis didnt > set in until years later.. But my first thought when reading the post was, > "sounds like OCD"

it’s similar to echolalia.  i get words running through my head.  i often say them to myself when no one is around.  i also tend to overly quote movies, to the extent that people ask me why i’m doing that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echolalia again echolalia is actually saying the words out loud.  i don’t know if i’d qualify cause i do it alone. GR

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"Kim" <monotre…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:I4j7f.19524$E17.19205@fe03.lga… > When I first found out I had OCD.. I had actually gone to the doctor > because I thought I may be schizophrenic… I am not.  and psychosis didnt > set in until years later.. But my first thought when reading the post was, > "sounds like OCD"

OCD, autism, Tourette’s, and some types of schizophrenia have overlap.  i am both OCD and major depressed and maybe that’s mimicking paranoid SZ. GR

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no, dude, whatever fool to you, Amdo!! On 24 Oct 2005 16:26:20 -0700, "King Amdo" <King_A…@hotmail.com> wrote: >oh jesus whatever fool.

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The western mode is totally discredited… in many many aspects. You’re just a straight guy thats ‘had the lid’ put on so to speak…but trust me, theres nmore to reality than meets the eye and you just had a negative opening and you arn’t really ill at all…in other words its just ego! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Buther Boy wrote: > no, dude, whatever fool to you, Amdo!! > On 24 Oct 2005 16:26:20 -0700, "King Amdo" <King_A…@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >oh jesus whatever fool. > — > Remove the word Spam from my e-mail to contact me… > http://www.PrivacySig.com/SIGbutherboySpam-gmail-black.png > ~

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you don’t make friends easily, king amdohhh On 24 Oct 2005 16:27:01 -0700, "King Amdo" <King_A…@hotmail.com> wrote: >…anyway go and examine yourself r you fucking weirdo.

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Damo and Buther Boy, stop this grandstanding and foreplay.  i want to fuck.  now! Gravity "King Amdo" <King_A…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1130225599.513678.151000@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The western mode is totally discredited… in many many aspects. > You’re just a straight guy thats ‘had the lid’ put on so to speak…but > trust me, theres nmore to reality than meets the eye and you just had a > negative opening and you arn’t really ill at all…in other words its > just ego! > Buther Boy wrote: >> no, dude, whatever fool to you, Amdo!! >> On 24 Oct 2005 16:26:20 -0700, "King Amdo" <King_A…@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >oh jesus whatever fool. >> — >> Remove the word Spam from my e-mail to contact me… >> http://www.PrivacySig.com/SIGbutherboySpam-gmail-black.png >> ~

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news:d5orl1pruu0p5a7vgo18vcss6h6p97h00l@4ax.com… > you don’t make friends easily, king amdohhh

Damo only has female friends.  he’s a bit of a pansy.  or perhaps he’s a studmuffin? Gravity

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Have you graduated from college, King Amdo? I have a degree in Psychology and concentrations in Philosophy, Religion, and Communications. I prefer many things about my life now.  A few things, like weight gain and the problems associated with that, are things I’m not too excited about.  But, nowadays, I am a better person who can hold a relationship, and whose family is supportive of me and my endeavors. I think you are good at starting shit, Amdo.  And in reality, you think of yourself as pretty clever, don’t you? Take your meds, bro. Buther Boy On 25 Oct 2005 00:33:19 -0700, "King Amdo" <King_A…@hotmail.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The western mode is totally discredited… in many many aspects. >You’re just a straight guy thats ‘had the lid’ put on so to speak…but >trust me, theres nmore to reality than meets the eye and you just had a >negative opening and you arn’t really ill at all…in other words its >just ego! >Buther Boy wrote: >> no, dude, whatever fool to you, Amdo!! >> On 24 Oct 2005 16:26:20 -0700, "King Amdo" <King_A…@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >oh jesus whatever fool. >> — >> Remove the word Spam from my e-mail to contact me… >> http://www.PrivacySig.com/SIGbutherboySpam-gmail-black.png >> ~

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Buther Boy wrote: > Have you graduated from college, King Amdo? > I have a degree in Psychology and concentrations in Philosophy, > Religion, and Communications.

You need a degree in history, especially history of tyhe western psychiatry ‘bro’… Glad to know your family ’support’ you, too many blackmails around us

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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:21:28 +0200, voyg <voy…@yahoo.com> wrote: >Buther Boy wrote: >> Have you graduated from college, King Amdo? >> I have a degree in Psychology and concentrations in Philosophy, >> Religion, and Communications. >You need a degree in history, especially history of tyhe western psychiatry >’bro’… >Glad to know your family ’support’ you, too many blackmails around us

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Hi group, How does a person that suffers from schizophrenia percieve their own disease. I can imagine something like hearing voices, but i’m more interrested with the thought process behind it. For example: I find myself sometimes stuck on one particular word or problem. Then i start thinking how would another person see this particular word or problem. Then after looking at the word or problem, the persons i imagined start interacting with eachother and with me. I haven’t been diagnosed with schizopheria. Is there a online questionaire or something similar? tia, r

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It depends on the day. It depends on the hour. It depends on the weather. It depends on why she left me. It depends on how drunk I was. It depends on how overworked I am. Does that answer your question. "r" <rr_rsometh…@spamtrap.com> wrote in message

news:pan.2005.10.22.23.52.22.742483@spamtrap.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi group, > How does a person that suffers from schizophrenia > percieve their own disease. I can imagine something > like hearing voices, but i’m more interrested with the > thought process behind it. > For example: > I find myself sometimes stuck on one particular word or > problem. > Then i start thinking how would another person see this > particular word or problem. Then after looking at the word > or problem, the persons i imagined start interacting with > eachother and with me. I haven’t been diagnosed with schizopheria. > Is there a online questionaire or something similar? > tia, > r

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Psychosis is a small but big word.  Whether your schiz or not, I don’t know.  Maybe you just have a big imagination.

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I didn’t know what it was until I was off meds and I could read again.

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r <rr_rsometh…@spamtrap.com> wrote: > How does a person that suffers from schizophrenia > percieve their own disease. I can imagine something > like hearing voices, but i’m more interrested with the > thought process behind it.

Not much to it for me. I know I have schizophrenia, and have very peculiar thoughts and actions, but usually if I have an episode I don’t remember it very well. This, of course, could just be me. > For example: > I find myself sometimes stuck on one particular word or > problem. > Then i start thinking how would another person see this > particular word or problem. Then after looking at the word > or problem, the persons i imagined start interacting with > eachother and with me.

Sounds more like OCD. Coincidently, sometimes I get stuck on a word and have to say it over and over and over. It gets irritating, but if I try to stop I get really nervous and anxious and start acting out. So I keep repeating it until I can stop. > I haven’t been diagnosed with schizopheria. > Is there a online questionaire or something similar?

Yes, but you should see a doctor. No online quiz comes close to a diagnosis by a doctor.  -slunky

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True dat… Sorry – he plays violin, started when he was 4 in Suzuki.  He’s 17 now. and over the past dozen-plus years he and sister have moved us to tears both ways!  He’s a pretty good fiddler, too, playing Irish and French Canadian fiddle tunes for fun.  He’s also not awful at tenor banjo and messes about with mandolin a bit. Thanks for indulging the old man’s pride, folks! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So will very poorly played strings. <G TAS Just got home from our district solo & ensemble competition.  The boy had a good day – his quartet played as well as they ever have (Mozart Quartet #12) and earned straight 1’s (that’s good) For us peasants who can’t figure it out, what instrument does he play? In general, well played strings move me to tears. Glenn D.

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Just got home from our district solo & ensemble competition.  The boy had a good day – his quartet played as well as they ever have (Mozart Quartet #12) and earned straight 1’s (that’s good) – their judge said they had potential to be one of the strongest quartets in the state with some more polishing.  Right at the end of the day he played his solo (J.-H Fiocco Allegro) and played it as well as he ever has – strong, confident, good dynamics, great phrasing, good control, best vibrato I’ve heard from him, and good use of tempo.  It was the same judge and again he was very complimentary – spent time with him illustrating some ways to make the piece more compelling and musical, and then asked him if he was going into music in college.  Straight 1’s again. Yup – A good day indeed…

Good for you.  Reminds me of my time at music classes in the 1950’s.   I’m thinking he’s "good boy",

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Sweet!  That’s awesome.  Congrats Dad! — -rob                    Slidell, LA   O /()   ^^

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just got home from our district solo & ensemble competition.  The boy had a good day – his quartet played as well as they ever have (Mozart Quartet #12) and earned straight 1’s (that’s good) – their judge said they had potential to be one of the strongest quartets in the state with some more polishing.  Right at the end of the day he played his solo (J.-H Fiocco Allegro) and played it as well as he ever has – strong, confident, good dynamics, great phrasing, good control, best vibrato I’ve heard from him, and good use of tempo.  It was the same judge and again he was very complimentary – spent time with him illustrating some ways to make the piece more compelling and musical, and then asked him if he was going into music in college.  Straight 1’s again. Yup – A good day indeed…

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Yeah, I’m more than a little proud of him.  Everything has come harder for him than it did for his older sister (in college now as a music major on violin).  He contracted Lyme Disease when he was not quite two and despite everyone’s best efforts, we didn’t catch it – now he suffers from chronic Lyme, which is definitely not a "good thing"..  He has neurological consequences (which the docs initially diagnosed as Tourette’s) and has been on medication for it pretty much all his life.  He also struggles with a handful of other apparently related learning disabilities.  Despite it all, he manages to be a 3.5 student in high school (and he’s taking hard classes), and seems like a fairly happy, well-adjusted kid. Before this sounds too boastful, my wife and I aren’t taking any credit for this – we’re just grateful…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just got home from our district solo & ensemble competition.  The boy had a good day – his quartet played as well as they ever have (Mozart Quartet #12) and earned straight 1’s (that’s good) – their judge said they had potential to be one of the strongest quartets in the state with some more polishing.  Right at the end of the day he played his solo (J.-H Fiocco Allegro) and played it as well as he ever has – strong, confident, good dynamics, great phrasing, good control, best vibrato I’ve heard from him, and good use of tempo.  It was the same judge and again he was very complimentary – spent time with him illustrating some ways to make the piece more compelling and musical, and then asked him if he was going into music in college.  Straight 1’s again. Yup – A good day indeed…

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Just got home from our district solo & ensemble competition.  The boy had a good day – his quartet played as well as they ever have (Mozart Quartet #12) and earned straight 1’s (that’s good)

For us peasants who can’t figure it out, what instrument does he play? In general, well played strings move me to tears. Glenn D.

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So will very poorly played strings. <G TAS

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just got home from our district solo & ensemble competition.  The boy had a good day – his quartet played as well as they ever have (Mozart Quartet #12) and earned straight 1’s (that’s good) For us peasants who can’t figure it out, what instrument does he play? In general, well played strings move me to tears. Glenn D.

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Just got home from our district solo & ensemble competition.  The boy had a good day – his quartet played as well as they ever have (Mozart Quartet #12) and earned straight 1’s (that’s good) – their judge said they had potential to be one of the strongest quartets in the state with some more polishing.  Right at the end of the day he played his solo (J.-H Fiocco Allegro) and played it as well as he ever has – strong, confident, good dynamics, great phrasing, good control, best vibrato I’ve heard from him, and good use of tempo.  It was the same judge and again he was very complimentary – spent time with him illustrating some ways to make the piece more compelling and musical, and then asked him if he was going into music in college.  Straight 1’s again. Yup – A good day indeed…

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Don't realise or don't care ?

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"Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi

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"Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi

ISBN 0415065887 Pablo

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Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. Pablo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 Pablo http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr… Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. Pablo

If they exist they are unknowable.  We know what our universe used to be. _g

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 Pablo http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr… Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. Pablo If they exist they are unknowable.  We know what our universe used to be. _g

While I could be wrong, I don’t think we’ve had the pleasure to meet.  Hi. And yes, we are talking in theoretical terms. Pablo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 Pablo http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr… Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. Pablo If they exist they are unknowable.  We know what our universe used to be. _g While I could be wrong, I don’t think we’ve had the pleasure to meet.  Hi. And yes, we are talking in theoretical terms. Pablo

Hi.  Didn’t you post previously in some of the groups L*nda used to post to?   I have been here a long time but I come and go. Since high school I have been entertained by cosmology, but my experience is in the geosciences. _george

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 Pablo http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr… Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. Pablo If they exist they are unknowable.  We know what our universe used to be. _g While I could be wrong, I don’t think we’ve had the pleasure to meet.  Hi. And yes, we are talking in theoretical terms. Pablo Hi.  Didn’t you post previously in some of the groups L*nda used to post to?   I have been here a long time but I come and go.

Hi, george. You are correct, although it is not "previously," as I still do post to ASD-Med and AST.  I also post to SPP, where the person to whom you refer is currently engaged in a war with SPP regulars (sans me), and it’s getting rather bloody.  For weeks and weeks, I have not posted to or about *i***, but she continues to rage.  I can only conclude that her problems do not lie with me but rather within herself.  (Note to MothWrangler and others:  this is what I meant when I said I was "retired" and have not "given" Nancy anything…i.e., I have not engaged *i*** as of late.  Hope this helps clear up the confusion.) I still lurk on ASAD but rarely post.  I still have some friends here (don’t worry…I won’t "out" you for fear of having your reputations tarnished by my alleged psychopathy, which has been another one of *i***’s usenet doktor pronouncements.) Your nym sounds familiar, but I’m not sure if you were "george of the jungle" on ASD-Med.  Of course, I recognize you from here. Since high school I have been entertained by cosmology, but my experience is in the geosciences.

I, too, have avocational interests in cosmology and quantum physics, but my profession is that of psychotherapist.  Currently, I treat adolescent sex offenders (don’t everybody faint, as many of them have also been victims). Good to get (re?)acquainted with you, george.  Have a fulfilling Sunday. Pablo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 Pablo http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr… Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. Pablo If they exist they are unknowable.  We know what our universe used to be. _g While I could be wrong, I don’t think we’ve had the pleasure to meet.  Hi. And yes, we are talking in theoretical terms. Pablo Hi.  Didn’t you post previously in some of the groups L*nda used to post to?   I have been here a long time but I come and go. Hi, george. You are correct, although it is not "previously," as I still do post to ASD-Med and AST.  I also post to SPP, where the person to whom you refer is currently engaged in a war with SPP regulars (sans me), and it’s getting rather bloody.  For weeks and weeks, I have not posted to or about *i***, but she continues to rage.  I can only conclude that her problems do not lie with me but rather within herself.  (Note to MothWrangler and others:  this is what I meant when I said I was "retired" and have not "given" Nancy anything…i.e., I have not engaged *i*** as of late.  Hope this helps clear up the confusion.) I still lurk on ASAD but rarely post.  I still have some friends here (don’t worry…I won’t "out" you for fear of having your reputations tarnished by my alleged psychopathy, which has been another one of *i***’s usenet doktor pronouncements.) Your nym sounds familiar, but I’m not sure if you were "george of the jungle" on ASD-Med.

I was. I have not changed anything but the sig. _g The sig is an abstraction of a body surfer in the barrel.   Of course, I recognize you from here.

I was involved in some of the X-Post wars and made some posts to ASD-M.  It was hard to determine if some of those wars weren’t $<1ENT0|09`/ attacks.  Of course, one nut with no job can post an incredible volume of crap. Since high school I have been entertained by cosmology, but my experience is in the geosciences. I, too, have avocational interests in cosmology and quantum physics, but my profession is that of psychotherapist.  Currently, I treat adolescent sex offenders (don’t everybody faint, as many of them have also been victims).

I’m sure you stay busy. _g

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr… Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. If they exist they are unknowable.  We know what our universe used to be. While I could be wrong, I don’t think we’ve had the pleasure to meet. Hi. And yes, we are talking in theoretical terms. Hi.  Didn’t you post previously in some of the groups L*nda used to post to?   I have been here a long time but I come and go. Hi, george. You are correct, although it is not "previously," as I still do post to ASD-Med and AST.  I also post to SPP, where the person to whom you refer is currently engaged in a war with SPP regulars (sans me), and it’s getting rather bloody. I see that one SPP poster suggested that she-who-will-not-be-named go back to posting in support ngs rather than SPP. It looks like she may have taken that advice.

Not really.  She never stopped.  Besides, she doesn’t take advice.  She’s left this group alone, save for her crossposting from AST.  She is still posting anti-med and anti-psychology articles and rants in ASD-Med and AST, though.  And then there’s her war in SPP.  For weeks and weeks, I have not posted to or about *i***, but she continues to rage.  I can only conclude that her problems do not lie with me but rather within herself. This is news to you?!!!!

You are absolutely correct.  My mistake.  Let me change "I can only conclude" to "I have known all along."  Still, it IS a conclusion.  (Note to MothWrangler and others:  this is what I meant when I said I was "retired" and have not "given" Nancy anything…i.e., I have not engaged *i*** as of late.  Hope this helps clear up the confusion.) That *is* a nice Valentine’s gift!

Maybe I don’t need to email you after all.  heheh  ;-) I’m glad you could finally disengage from such an unhealthy relationship. Keep up the good work!

Thank you.  You had a part in it, believe it or not. The formal decision took place when I finally made the unPablo-like decision to use a killfile.  Of course, I can still see others’ replies.  That’s how I know she is still doing what she does best in those groups.  Haven’t figured out how to deal with that part yet.  I download someone else’s post, and BAM, there she is.  So far so good, though.  My life is much better. I still lurk on ASAD but rarely post.  I still have some friends here (don’t worry…I won’t "out" you for fear of having your reputations tarnished by my alleged psychopathy, which has been another one of *i***’s usenet doktor pronouncements.) Heh. Join the club. E-mail me if you want the gory details. That is, if you’re not going to use the info to stalk me.

All that garbage about me being a stalker came from her.  The only thing I stalk is my next meal.  And it is never human. Hope your flu flies away soon, Nancy.  I’m working 12 hour days right now, but I’ll be in touch. Pablo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Were he still alive, Dr. Bohm would stand up and applaud you. But since He Isn’t, I suppose he Won’t." ~ Pablo "O, your implication, What? Please be More explicit! And know ~ You’re welcome to visit!" ~ Moi ISBN 0415065887 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415065887/qid%3D1108250916/sr… Precisely. Multiple universes.  D’oh.  Tell it to Art Bell. If they exist they are unknowable.  We know what our universe used to be. While I could be wrong, I don’t think we’ve had the pleasure to meet.  Hi. And yes, we are talking in theoretical terms. Hi.  Didn’t you post previously in some of the groups L*nda used to post to?   I have been here a long time but I come and go. Hi, george. You are correct, although it is not "previously," as I still do post to ASD-Med and AST.  I also post to SPP, where the person to whom you refer is currently engaged in a war with SPP regulars (sans me), and it’s getting rather bloody.

I see that one SPP poster suggested that she-who-will-not-be-named go back to posting in support ngs rather than SPP. It looks like she may have taken that advice.  For weeks and weeks, I have not posted to or about *i***, but she continues to rage.  I can only conclude that her problems do not lie with me but rather within herself.

This is news to you?!!!!  (Note to MothWrangler and others:  this is what I meant when I said I was "retired" and have not "given" Nancy anything…i.e., I have not engaged *i*** as of late.  Hope this helps clear up the confusion.)

That *is* a nice Valentine’s gift! I’m glad you could finally disengage from such an unhealthy relationship. Keep up the good work! I still lurk on ASAD but rarely post.  I still have some friends here (don’t worry…I won’t "out" you for fear of having your reputations tarnished by my alleged psychopathy, which has been another one of *i***’s usenet doktor pronouncements.)

Heh. Join the club. E-mail me if you want the gory details. That is, if you’re not going to use the info to stalk me. Nancy Unique, like everyone else

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I look at ADD Forums and ASAD and see a lot of incoherency. Presumably the result of continual disruption to thought processes. A lot of the time, posts are just brief, unedited snapshots of the contents of a poster’s mind. I think a lot of people post like that, not just ADHDers. Sure – but it was more a general impression of the groups.

I think I may just be overly sensitive to the differences between what people *think* they’re posting and what they actually write… sort of expecting miscommunication all the time too. It conveys the impression of individuals divorced from objectivity/reality, uncaring or unable to appreciate the impact on the way they’re perceived. Er- do my posts look that way? Well, I wasn’t gunna say anything – but …  ;) Your output is invariably, a paragon of crystalline lucidity.

LOL! You mean transparent…? Anyway, what’s in my brain as I’m typing are several different conversations with myself about trivial stuff mixed up with sudden contexts to what my eyes and ears are picking up. The conversations or maybe what I’m trying to type keeps on branching off into various options till it all becomes a jumbled mess with me trying to recall which thread of thought I’m trying to bring across. I don’t know what it’s like for the rest of you but I find continuity in thought quite hard to achieve. But when you see some posts, you really wonder about the author !

Ah yes… I remember when you made your first appearance! I think it took me a while to realise you were just another mortal trying to communicate like the rest of us… Vashti

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[snip] ‘Afternoon, Vashti!

Evenin’! Am I making any sense?

Since you posted that in my afternoon, yes! Vashti

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I look at ADD Forums and ASAD and see a lot of incoherency. Presumably the result of continual disruption to thought processes. A lot of the time, posts are just brief, unedited snapshots of the contents of a poster’s mind. It conveys the impression of individuals divorced from objectivity/reality, uncaring or unable to appreciate the impact on the way they’re perceived. Brunibus wrote (somewhere) – "A lot of the time, posts are just brief, unedited snapshots of the contents  of a poster’s mind." PRECISELY. Isolated, local, complete "Islands of Consideration" contained within a body of <other… such isolates held coherent in a fluid of weak and diffuse ‘Greater Awareness". PRECISELY CORRECT, Brunibus. Brunibus wrote – "It conveys the impression of individuals divorced from objectivity/reality" Precisely. …This is "how" objectivity works. ONE ‘object’ SEPERATED and ISOLATED from ANOTHER Brunibus wrote – "uncaring or unable to appreciate the impact on the way they’re perceived. " PRECISELY. Because the ‘objects’ are isolated and independent, they are INTENDED to be de-coupled from each other. Brunibus wrote – " I look at ADD Forums and ASAD and see a lot of incoherency.  Presumably the result of continual disruption to thought processes.  A lot of the time, posts are just brief, unedited snapshots of the contents  of a poster’s mind.  It conveys the impression of individuals divorced from objectivity/reality,  uncaring or unable to appreciate the impact on the way they’re perceived." This MEANS THE FOLLOWING: Not only is Brunibus aware of an island of consideration when preoccupied with such;    … Brunibus ALSO possess’s a sense of the ‘big picture’; — that "being" that all these individual islands are connected weakly in the very much broader sense. Like myself, Brunibus sees the ‘long & the short’ of things. Comments? http://www.manyuniverses.com/indexH.htm THE UNIVERSE AND MULTIPLE REALITY by Professor M. R. Franks "There is no one reality.  Each of us lives in a separate universe. That’s not speaking metaphorically.  This is the hypothesis of the stark nature of reality suggested by recent developments in quantum physics.  Reality in a dynamic universe is non-objective.  Consciousness is the only reality." With those words, M. R. Franks, a life member of the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada, a member of that organization since high school, and also a law professor, If you ever get arrested would you call a physicist to get you out of jail? When lawyers pontificate about physics treat them with the same degree of confidence that you treat the pontifications of a physicist on the topic of law. begins his new book, The Universe and Multiple Reality. But what is multiple reality?  How do parallel universes interconnect? What are the exact processes by which mind interacts with matter at the quantum level?  Those are the questions that Professor Franks tackles in his book. Unfortunately, most books on parallel universes and quantum cosmology are written in language that an ordinary intelligent person cannot understand. No, they are not.  They are written in language that any "ordinary intelligent person" who is willing to take the time to learn the necessary background can understand.  The reason for this is that that background is not something that one can learn while one stands on one foot.  And any attempt to do away with it necessarily introduces large numbers of distortions and misconceptions. Discover the fascinating nature of the universe in which we live and the exact processes by which mind interacts with matter at the quantum level. No thanks. Understand parallel universes, multiple reality, and the hypotheses advanced by scientists such as Hugh Everett, Bryce DeWitt, David Deutsch and others. The Universe and Multiple Reality presents an understandable view of parallel universes and quantum physics Nope, it presents a layman’s opinions on the matter.  If you go to it for understanding and then take some real physics you’re likely going to be annoyed at what you end up having to unlearn. –and explains what this means in our daily lives. You mean besides that we can see and that computers work and the like? The Universe and Multiple Reality explains to the non-scientist reader in understandable, non-mathematical language the paradox of Schr

Invitation to Vote: Linda Gore for Kook of the Month

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"Linda" <li…@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:1105629938.d36953b246086d1752d28476a9ad1135@teranews… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "

OT: Computer question

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"What about Bob" <ka1…@charter.net> wrote in message news:fv0zd.2762$bn4.2202@fe07.lga… >I bought 2 Dells last year………1 desktop. 1 laptop ….both have >printers and I use Cannon BC-05 and have NEVER had any trouble

Sounds like you’re lucky.  Most Dell printers require Dell cartridges, which are more expensive than other printer cartridges.  The good (heh) news is that Dell is expanding their presence in the printer cartridge market, which will ultimately lower the cost of their cartridges.  At least that’s the theory. Pablo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Jodi" <hellofromj…@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message > news:CwNyd.25174$5R7.1344@fe06.lga… >>I got a Dell all in one printer for an early christmas present.  Dell says >>you have to buy the ink refills from them, i’m sure they’d love that, but >>do ya?  Anyone know if theres a generic or anything compatible? >> Thanks, >> Jodi

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"Randall Bart" <Barti…@att.spam.net> wrote in message

news:10fns0dshq45acc295sbhs7pda5hgvl2ji@4ax.com…  In reality, this hardly > ever happens.  If you are going to be printing a lot, find a good supplier > of ink.

Thanks Randall!   Glad you are back. Jodi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > RB |  

AMT & 5-meo-DMT Placed on Schedule I

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"Dan" <danl…@softhome.net> wrote in message

news:1e95328b.0410281725.62949de1@posting.google.com… > You can also order Virola Resin, which is 5-meo-dmt, online @ www.shamanshop.com, > Dan > Randall Bart

Hey Randall, want any medicinal ‘herbs’ from New Mexico!? Ha….. jo

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‘Twas 24 Oct 2004 14:09:06 -0700 when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as bb_use…@erowid.org (Fire Erowid) uttered: >5-MeO-DMT has not been specifically placed into schedule I.  AMT has >been, and at the same time, 5-MeO-DIPT was also…so I’m guessing >that’s where the confusion is. It is certainly possible for 5-MeO-DMT >to be considered an analog of N,N-DMT under the Federal Analogue act, >but that’s a different matter.

Thanx for the correction.  I saw a similar correction on the list I got this from. — RB |  

Political stance

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Did someone email you this?     I am so sick of the whole election thing. The mud-slinging, the he said/she said, its enough to make people NOT vote. I vote by absentee ballot, i have already voted.  Come on the rest of ya’ll, lets get this darn thing over with! Jodi "What about Bob??" <ka1…@charter.net> wrote in message news:10mvmnnkigr3l26@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> THIS did it! > I am voting for ASSama Bin Ladden as US Pres. >   EVEN IF YOUR MIND’S MADE UP, PLEASE READ THIS, THINK AND LETS TRY TO REACH > AS MANY AS WE CAN, PASS IT ON. >   >2004 Election Voter Guide >   >Depending on the way you lean, the following information >   >could have a bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. >   >Issues of Importance? >   >Gay Marriage >   >President Bush is opposed >   >John Kerry favors >   >Partial-Birth Abortion >   >President Bush is opposed >   >John Kerry favors >   >Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools >   >President Bush Favors >   >John Kerry is Opposed >   >Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ >   >President Bush supports Gibson >   >John Kerry participated in Left’s assault on Gibson, suggesting >   >possible anti-Semitism even though Kerry had not seen the film. >   >Assault on boy Scouts for belief in God and not allowing >   >Homosexual Scout Leaders >   >President Bush supports Boy Scouts’ stand >   >John Kerry opposes boy Scouts’ stand >   >Asking for God’s blessing on America >   >President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches >   >John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often >   >Judges >   >President bush says "We need common-sense judges who believe >   >our rights are derived from God." >   >John Kerry insists on judges who support the ACLU’s radical >   >anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is >   >insistent on blocking President Bush’s federal judge appointments. >   >Overall Record >   >President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on >   >his publicly stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative rating >   >from the American Conservative Union if he did. >   >John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral >   >National Journal rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003 — >   >more liberal than Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. >   >With help from you and many others, we aim to distribute 25,000,000 of >   >these Voter Guides in churches and mailboxes to Christian voters across > America. >   >If you agree, please pass this on >   >If you disagree, just delete

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‘Twas Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:10:27 -0500 when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as "What about Bob??" <ka1…@charter.net> uttered: >THIS did it! >I am voting for ASSama Bin Ladden as US Pres.

I don’t care who you vote for, as long as you regret it. — RB |  

hynotherapy

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Has any one had any success with hypnotherapy and tics? Thanks

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NONE! Total waste of time for me………Tried it made it worse Reason? I can not relax enough to be put under And the best have tried "David Johnson" <d.johnson7…@bigpond.com> wrote in message

news:ZFBbd.25791$5O5.7261@news-server.bigpond.net.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Has any one had any success with hypnotherapy and tics? > Thanks

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>Has any one had any success with hypnotherapy and tics? >Thanks

I had a hypnotherapist almost kill me in 1984.  He was an internist who read a bunch of books on hypnotherapy and was certified by some group out of Atlanta, Gerogia.  Because of medical mismanagement and alcoholism, he had to give up his Colorado Medical licence. Hypnotherapy is an attempt to get a quick fix and doesn’t work.  

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"Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20041016182422.25923.00002447@mb-m03.aol.com… > >Has any one had any success with hypnotherapy and tics? > >Thanks > I had a hypnotherapist almost kill me in 1984.  He was an internist who read a > bunch of books on hypnotherapy and was certified by some group out of Atlanta, > Gerogia.  Because of medical mismanagement and alcoholism, he had to give up > his Colorado Medical licence. Hypnotherapy is an attempt to get a quick fix and > doesn’t work.

Despite Fred’s bad experience, I believe hypnotherapy, when done appropriately by a well-trained therapist, can have many benefits. For some people it can work wonders, for others not. There is nothing mystical or magical about it; it’s mainly helping people get into a very relaxed state where their brain and mind are more receptive to suggestion. NO hypnotherapist can make a person do something they would not want to do. It simply doesn’t work like that. Self-hypnosis, when a person takes a little time to learn about it and practice and apply it, can be very effective for many things. I’m not sure it can reduce tics per se on its own, but my personal experience as well as professional experience with kid and adult clients is that if you can teach a person to relax quickly and often enough (a la "The Relaxation Response") then you can indeed help yourself reduce tics, even if that’s secondary to becoming more centered, relaxed, less anxious, etc. I find that a lot of people who say "It doesn’t work for me" either haven’t really tried it, or didn’t give it a fair shot. As I believe Bob mentioned, he wasn’t able to relax enough for it to work. That’s the key thing, learning and training the body/mind to relax. For Bob, I might suggest that THAT is the real goal, something that might help in other situations as well…. I find often that it takes a mental reminder to breathe, and to do so slowly and deeply. Before my friend Mike died, we used to joke "Remember to breathe!" My cell phone actually reads "Breathe Jo" when I turn it on…a simply reminder several times during the day is all it takes sometimes to realize I haven’t been breathing well enough. Makes  a big difference in how I feel. I use meditation and relaxation tapes at night, and sometimes first thing in the morning. They are invaluable to me! Jo

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‘Twas 16 Oct 2004 22:24:22 GMT when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as fen…@aol.com (Fenisz) uttered: >Hypnotherapy is an attempt to get a quick fix and >doesn’t work.  

Hypnotherapy has its place, but anything can be done incompetently. — RB |  

She even surprised me.

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For those of you that have been around AST for awhile probably have heard me brag about my daughter. Well, she has gone and done something that even surprised even me. She got herself invited to join a very special academic program next year when she goes to high school. Some of you may have heard of it. It’s call the "International Baccalaureate Program". It has been explained to mom and I as being an academically elite program for talented and gifted kids. To get an invitation she had to score in the 90th percentile nationally on the ITBS test. The principal of the local high school explained it to us as a program for the best of the best. I have always known that she was smart. But this has surprised even me. Every year only about 160 kids out of over 6,000 in the school district are selected. Okay, I’ll quit bragging for the time being. But I reserve the right to continue at a later date. Mark

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"Pit Bull" <pit.bu…@verizon.net> wrote in message

news:PwHad.5119$gd1.5080@trnddc08… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> For those of you that have been around AST for awhile probably have heard me > brag about my daughter. Well, she has gone and done something that even > surprised even me. She got herself invited to join a very special academic > program next year when she goes to high school. Some of you may have heard > of it. It’s call the "International Baccalaureate Program". It has been > explained to mom and I as being an academically elite program for talented > and gifted kids. To get an invitation she had to score in the 90th > percentile nationally on the ITBS test. The principal of the local high > school explained it to us as a program for the best of the best. > I have always known that she was smart. But this has surprised even me. > Every year only about 160 kids out of over 6,000 in the school district are > selected. > Okay, I’ll quit bragging for the time being. But I reserve the right to > continue at a later date. > Mark

Congrats to you, your wife, and Margie! Jo

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Congratulations to you and your daughter, Mark!  Way to go. Jodi > "Pit Bull" <pit.bu…@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:PwHad.5119$gd1.5080@trnddc08…

 > For those of you that have been around AST for awhile probably have heard  > me  > brag about my daughter. Well, she has gone and done something that even  > surprised even me. She got herself invited to join a very special academic  > program next year when she goes to high school. Some of you may have heard  > of it. It’s call the "International Baccalaureate Program". It has been  > explained to mom and I as being an academically elite program for talented  > and gifted kids. To get an invitation she had to score in the 90th  > percentile nationally on the ITBS test. The principal of the local high > school explained it to us as a program for the best of the best.

 >  > I have always known that she was smart. But this has surprised even me.  > Every year only about 160 kids out of over 6,000 in the school district  > are  > selected.  >  > Okay, I’ll quit bragging for the time being. But I reserve the right to  > continue at a later date.  >  > Mark  >  > – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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‘Twas Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:42:55 GMT when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as "Pit Bull" <pit.bu…@verizon.net> uttered: >For those of you that have been around AST for awhile probably have heard me >brag about my daughter. Well, she has gone and done something that even >surprised even me. She got herself invited to join a very special academic >program next year when she goes to high school.

Mazeltov! — RB |