Question:
I want to express my appreciation to all posters to AST for their patience this week, as well as patience wrt my participating on AST the last year and 4 months. I am sure those of you who have read any or part of the exchange this week will all draw your own conclusions, one of which must be I am coping with a great deal more than my ADD and my son’s TS, and I have for a very long time. Three years ago, when my son’s TS waned and I knew he was going to be fine, I had to unload all that I had been holding in while seeing my son through treatment for two major medical conditions for 13 years, on top of the neverending saga in my FOO. I was reluctant to add the fact that I was needy to a family heavily burdened with dealing with another members problem, as I felt adding my problems to the existing problems would only cause BIGGER problems for all. Hence, I found the Ng and unburdened myself…in the most unsafe place of all.. I was harassed on usenet, simultaneously to being sent letters from persons in real life saying "someone" was going around the country with intent to harm everyone I care about, and then my hearing from those I care about that "someone" was showing up on their doorsteps all over the country, til they found I had posted on usenet. I knew the person would, hence all my many nick changes in order to make them work very hard to find what all I posted..(sorry guys) Apparently, googling me is such arduous work that running down my posts (and apparently persons posting to 45 other NG) kept them content for nearly two years now before they finally made a full-scale frontal assault. During which time, I appreciated those who engaged in dialogues with me of a meaningful sort wrt tourettes as I learned much from everyone of you, most especially, Sara, Brenda, JoanneB, Randall, as well as having excelling exchanges with Ellen, Jan, ( but it might have been Jodi) , and TSNW. . The kindness of a number of AST posters, such as Sara, Brenda, JoanneB, Randall, JMM, and even the texan at the last, meant a REAL REAL lot to me at such a trying time for me, especially since I knew it wasn’t exactly easy for you to be kind to me. TSNW once commented, *rightly*, that I was exaggerating to role the history of hostility on AST played in my staying away from actively participating on AST for so long, after she read comments I made about my reasons for being gunshy about participating on other than my intiial one, ASD-med, in old posts to that Ng, . The bickering on AST was only a little of the reason, the big real reason I stayed clear of AST ws because Tourettes is my son’s condition, and I didn’t want people who had the condition my son had to be burdened by my entourage…of stalkers. My great anger at being called a troll on AST was partly because I had intentioally spared AST for a 1 1/2 from the noise might accompany my participating. I felt how how dare the psoters of AST accuse me of torlling them, when I done everything i could to spare them. I am sorry I was stupid enought to engage in arguements about the definition of what TS is and isn’t… I have come to realize, arguing about defintiions is a way of staying in the problem, rather than focusing on solutions, maybe even avoiding actually dealing with the myriad problems. I hope TSNW will consider that, its more important to work on solutions than have a consensus regarding semantics and definitions. theirefore arguing endlessly. My cognitive dissonance, or unresolved question inciting me to post to AST and ASAD during this time was one I dare not talk about, but having come out, is as follows: : Given the fact that the near relatives of those with ADD are, according to Comings, such a motley crew, would it not stand to reason that a child growing up in a home corrupted by the insanity of their father on one hand, their mother with their hands full with dealing with their father, and left in the clutches of elder sibling was a bad seed, learn to be hypersensitive to the their externmal world of madness and terror around them, to be prepared for danger, and not so much focus on what they were doing. If a 2-3 year old’s older sibling is a child psychopath, always engaging in sleight of hand, lies, and forever attempting to divert your attention from what they are doing, abusing you, stealing your toys, etc, onto something neglible, wouldn’t the ADD become conditioned into the younger sibling of a child pcyhopath. When I saw that very person come to ng I participate about for my ADD and son’s ts….thereby insisting I pay attention the THEM, rather than me and my son and my problems, I knew the answer was yes, ADHD can be conditioned response to growing up with a narcissistic or psychopathic sibling crowds you, and INSISTS they be the center of your attention and never allow you to attend to your own business. Unfortunately, I myself employed diversion bigtime, with his attention to take it off what was happening wrt his surgeries, and those medical procedures, and whatever was going on exacerbating him to tic so he calm and not tic…..seems you can’t do nothing right……sigh So, I will be looking into recondition our attention, focus, biofeedback, in addition to vitamin supplement.s I don’t want to burden AST with the noise my entourage makes, anymore, its not fair to AST posters……so I will be refraining from posting for awhile, except perhaps informational articles I had been posting orginally . I wish you each the very very best, you are all very wonderful people, each in your own way, and I do totally apologise for my behavior, being so uptight, coiled, overreactive, angrily lashing out, a couple times down right mean, and even irrational occaisionally.. Thanks again, especailly for all your patience, as that in itself was a kindness. Best to you all. L.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: "Alice" AliceInWonderl…@nospam.com >Derek, you asked what tournament my son came back with the Grand Prize >for, well, he was competing in the adult section of the biggest of the >tournaments held wrt his favorite Japanese card games at the Comic.Con >convention held in San Diego , . >Put the trophy up next to the one for 1st place in Chess for his age group, >and all his sports trophies. >Grand Prize was a wonderful asortment of prizes which my son still hasn’t >finished opening or going through for the best vs common ones, yet. In >addition to boxes and boxes and boxes of packs of new cards from all the >vairous deck sets, worth big bucks at retail, he got all manner of >specialty and very unique cards and collectibles, including 500 foiled >wrapped holographs, an entire set of Oversized cards, an entire sheet of >uncut cards (like uncut $$$ from US mint) etc etc. etc. etc etc. etc. >etc. etc. Since he is a collector of all sorts of cards, comics he e >knows how to take care of his collectables, so will be worth a pretty penny >someday, (maybe). >All very exciting…and great for my son and encouraging to all his set of >friends. They all do well, locally and regionally, but then go to all >the west coast nationals and conventions and flop… …till this time with >my son’s big win. >They all had a great time, since it was a huge convention for comics and >gaming etc, but being in San Diego..they had the additional pleasure of >hitting the beach before or after their tournaments. >For those raising TS children, my son’s happiness with evergrowing >collections of cards and comics, his mastery of chess, mastery of >computing and computing games, engaging in Trader Bazarres (game pieces >for E-$ trader) and collecting and tournament play wrt to all manner of >japanese card games, (to the extent he decided he better take a year of >Japanese in 9th grade) and his hanging with a large group of teens into >such things, whose fathers take them all around the region and the west >coast to the conventions and tournaments makes me able to cope with >whatever ELSE I must, from outside. >Thanks again..all. >L.
My 2 sons were heavy into card collecting while growing up, so I know how exciting all this is for your son! Those packs to open are like treasures. Every year for Chanukah I still as a sort of joke, get them packs of cards for one of their presents. And, of course, a new price guide to go with them. They LOVE it (at 19 and 22 they still love it). When D was about 11 or so, one night he was in bed and feeling down about himself. He said, "Mom, I don’t have anything that I am really interested in and good at." I told him that collecting things is a great "life" type of skill and he knows so much about that. That seemed to satisfy him and he went to bed with a little smile. Just a little anecdote tucked away in my memory (which isn’t so hot lately)…… Jan
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"Jan" <greenspa…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030725193546.18287.00000547@mb-m17.aol.com… > I truly wish you and your family some peace in your lives. Sounds to be a very > chaotic and unsettling period right now (and in the past). > Jan
Thank you, Jan . Please keep us in your positive thoughts or prayers if you so believe. Leah aka. ============================================== "In some ways, spiritual growth resembles a game of leapfrog. As soon as we’ve got past one puzzling questioin, we discover we’re face with another." ~ JGFitzpatrick
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"NewestDawn" <NewestD…@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:407a8591ad9f683058a507c6e2e458c5@free.teranews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I want to express my appreciation to all posters to AST for their patience > this week, as well as patience wrt my participating on AST the last year > and 4 months. > I am sure those of you who have read any or part of the exchange this week > will all draw your own conclusions, one of which must be I am coping with a > great deal more than my ADD and my son’s TS, and I have for a very long > time. > Three years ago, when my son’s TS waned and I knew he was going to be fine, > I had to unload all that I had been holding in while seeing my son through > treatment for two major medical conditions for 13 years, on top of the > neverending saga in my FOO. I was reluctant to add the fact that I was > needy to a family heavily burdened with dealing with another members > problem, as I felt adding my problems to the existing problems would only > cause BIGGER problems for all. > Hence, I found the Ng and unburdened myself…in the most unsafe place of > all.. > I was harassed on usenet, simultaneously to being sent letters from > persons in real life saying "someone" was going around the country with > intent to harm everyone I care about, and then my hearing from those I care > about that "someone" was showing up on their doorsteps all over the country, > til they found I had posted on usenet. > I knew the person would, hence all my many nick changes in order to make > them work very hard to find what all I posted..(sorry guys) > Apparently, googling me is such arduous work that running down my posts > (and apparently persons posting to 45 other NG) kept them content for > nearly two years now before they finally made a full-scale frontal assault. > During which time, I appreciated those who engaged in dialogues with me of > a meaningful sort wrt tourettes as I learned much from everyone of you, > most especially, Sara, Brenda, JoanneB, Randall, as well as having > excelling exchanges with Ellen, Jan, ( but it might have been Jodi) , and > TSNW. . > The kindness of a number of AST posters, such as Sara, Brenda, JoanneB, > Randall, JMM, and even the texan at the last, meant a REAL REAL lot to me > at such a trying time for me, especially since I knew it wasn’t exactly > easy for you to be kind to me. > TSNW once commented, *rightly*, that I was exaggerating to role the > history of hostility on AST played in my staying away from actively > participating on AST for so long, after she read comments I made about my > reasons for being gunshy about participating on other than my intiial one, > ASD-med, in old posts to that Ng, . > The bickering on AST was only a little of the reason, the big real reason I > stayed clear of AST ws because Tourettes is my son’s condition, and I > didn’t want people who had the condition my son had to be burdened by my > entourage…of stalkers. > My great anger at being called a troll on AST was partly because I had > intentioally spared AST for a 1 1/2 from the noise might accompany my > participating. > I felt how how dare the psoters of AST accuse me of torlling them, when I > done everything i could to spare them. > I am sorry I was stupid enought to engage in arguements about the definition > of what TS is and isn’t… > I have come to realize, arguing about defintiions is a way of staying in > the problem, rather than focusing on solutions, maybe even avoiding > actually dealing with the myriad problems. > I hope TSNW will consider that, its more important to work on solutions > than have a consensus regarding semantics and definitions. theirefore > arguing endlessly. > My cognitive dissonance, or unresolved question inciting me to post to AST > and ASAD during this time was one I dare not talk about, but having come > out, is as follows: : > Given the fact that the near relatives of those with ADD are, according to > Comings, such a motley crew, would it not stand to reason that a child > growing up in a home corrupted by the insanity of their father on one hand, > their mother with their hands full with dealing with their father, and left > in the clutches of elder sibling was a bad seed, learn to be hypersensitive > to the their externmal world of madness and terror around them, to be > prepared for danger, and not so much focus on what they were doing. > If a 2-3 year old’s older sibling is a child psychopath, always engaging in > sleight of hand, lies, and forever attempting to divert your attention > from what they are doing, abusing you, stealing your toys, etc, onto > something neglible, wouldn’t the ADD become conditioned into the younger > sibling of a child pcyhopath. > When I saw that very person come to ng I participate about for my ADD and > son’s ts….thereby insisting I pay attention the THEM, rather than me and > my son and my problems, I knew the answer was yes, ADHD can be > conditioned response to growing up with a narcissistic or psychopathic > sibling crowds you, and INSISTS they be the center of your attention and > never allow you to attend to your own business. > Unfortunately, I myself employed diversion bigtime, with his attention to > take it off what was happening wrt his surgeries, and those medical > procedures, and whatever was going on exacerbating him to tic so he calm > and not tic…..seems you can’t do nothing right……sigh > So, I will be looking into recondition our attention, focus, biofeedback, > in addition to vitamin supplement.s > I don’t want to burden AST with the noise my entourage makes, anymore, its > not fair to AST posters……so I will be refraining from posting for > awhile, except perhaps informational articles I had been posting orginally > . > I wish you each the very very best, you are all very wonderful people, > each in your own way, and I do totally apologise for my behavior, being so > uptight, coiled, overreactive, angrily lashing out, a couple times down > right mean, and even irrational occaisionally.. > Thanks again, especailly for all your patience, as that in itself was a > kindness. > Best to you all. > L.
I really do hope you can find the courage when faced with all the obstacles that seem insurmountable at the time. And may you find peace within and good health for you and your son. — Joanne Mom to Mat the brat!
Response:
Nice to hear from you again. I am confident that the challenges you describe will be sorted out. In the meanwhile, do not let anything hold you back when and if you need to discuss things with others who have "been there, done that". That is what this NG is about. John Morten "NewestDawn" <NewestD…@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:407a8591ad9f683058a507c6e2e458c5@free.teranews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I want to express my appreciation to all posters to AST for their patience > this week, as well as patience wrt my participating on AST the last year > and 4 months. > I am sure those of you who have read any or part of the exchange this week > will all draw your own conclusions, one of which must be I am coping with a > great deal more than my ADD and my son’s TS, and I have for a very long > time. > Three years ago, when my son’s TS waned and I knew he was going to be fine, > I had to unload all that I had been holding in while seeing my son through > treatment for two major medical conditions for 13 years, on top of the > neverending saga in my FOO. I was reluctant to add the fact that I was > needy to a family heavily burdened with dealing with another members > problem, as I felt adding my problems to the existing problems would only > cause BIGGER problems for all. > Hence, I found the Ng and unburdened myself…in the most unsafe place of > all.. > I was harassed on usenet, simultaneously to being sent letters from > persons in real life saying "someone" was going around the country with > intent to harm everyone I care about, and then my hearing from those I care > about that "someone" was showing up on their doorsteps all over the country, > til they found I had posted on usenet. > I knew the person would, hence all my many nick changes in order to make > them work very hard to find what all I posted..(sorry guys) > Apparently, googling me is such arduous work that running down my posts > (and apparently persons posting to 45 other NG) kept them content for > nearly two years now before they finally made a full-scale frontal assault. > During which time, I appreciated those who engaged in dialogues with me of > a meaningful sort wrt tourettes as I learned much from everyone of you, > most especially, Sara, Brenda, JoanneB, Randall, as well as having > excelling exchanges with Ellen, Jan, ( but it might have been Jodi) , and > TSNW. . > The kindness of a number of AST posters, such as Sara, Brenda, JoanneB, > Randall, JMM, and even the texan at the last, meant a REAL REAL lot to me > at such a trying time for me, especially since I knew it wasn’t exactly > easy for you to be kind to me. > TSNW once commented, *rightly*, that I was exaggerating to role the > history of hostility on AST played in my staying away from actively > participating on AST for so long, after she read comments I made about my > reasons for being gunshy about participating on other than my intiial one, > ASD-med, in old posts to that Ng, . > The bickering on AST was only a little of the reason, the big real reason I > stayed clear of AST ws because Tourettes is my son’s condition, and I > didn’t want people who had the condition my son had to be burdened by my > entourage…of stalkers. > My great anger at being called a troll on AST was partly because I had > intentioally spared AST for a 1 1/2 from the noise might accompany my > participating. > I felt how how dare the psoters of AST accuse me of torlling them, when I > done everything i could to spare them. > I am sorry I was stupid enought to engage in arguements about the definition > of what TS is and isn’t… > I have come to realize, arguing about defintiions is a way of staying in > the problem, rather than focusing on solutions, maybe even avoiding > actually dealing with the myriad problems. > I hope TSNW will consider that, its more important to work on solutions > than have a consensus regarding semantics and definitions. theirefore > arguing endlessly. > My cognitive dissonance, or unresolved question inciting me to post to AST > and ASAD during this time was one I dare not talk about, but having come > out, is as follows: : > Given the fact that the near relatives of those with ADD are, according to > Comings, such a motley crew, would it not stand to reason that a child > growing up in a home corrupted by the insanity of their father on one hand, > their mother with their hands full with dealing with their father, and left > in the clutches of elder sibling was a bad seed, learn to be hypersensitive > to the their externmal world of madness and terror around them, to be > prepared for danger, and not so much focus on what they were doing. > If a 2-3 year old’s older sibling is a child psychopath, always engaging in > sleight of hand, lies, and forever attempting to divert your attention > from what they are doing, abusing you, stealing your toys, etc, onto > something neglible, wouldn’t the ADD become conditioned into the younger > sibling of a child pcyhopath. > When I saw that very person come to ng I participate about for my ADD and > son’s ts….thereby insisting I pay attention the THEM, rather than me and > my son and my problems, I knew the answer was yes, ADHD can be > conditioned response to growing up with a narcissistic or psychopathic > sibling crowds you, and INSISTS they be the center of your attention and > never allow you to attend to your own business. > Unfortunately, I myself employed diversion bigtime, with his attention to > take it off what was happening wrt his surgeries, and those medical > procedures, and whatever was going on exacerbating him to tic so he calm > and not tic…..seems you can’t do nothing right……sigh > So, I will be looking into recondition our attention, focus, biofeedback, > in addition to vitamin supplement.s > I don’t want to burden AST with the noise my entourage makes, anymore, its > not fair to AST posters……so I will be refraining from posting for > awhile, except perhaps informational articles I had been posting orginally > . > I wish you each the very very best, you are all very wonderful people, > each in your own way, and I do totally apologise for my behavior, being so > uptight, coiled, overreactive, angrily lashing out, a couple times down > right mean, and even irrational occaisionally.. > Thanks again, especailly for all your patience, as that in itself was a > kindness. > Best to you all. > L.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: "NewestDawn" >I want to express my appreciation to all posters to AST for their patience >this week, as well as patience wrt my participating on AST the last year >and 4 months. >I am sure those of you who have read any or part of the exchange this week >will all draw your own conclusions, one of which must be I am coping with a >great deal more than my ADD and my son’s TS, and I have for a very long >time. >Three years ago, when my son’s TS waned and I knew he was going to be fine, >I had to unload all that I had been holding in while seeing my son through >treatment for two major medical conditions for 13 years, on top of the >neverending saga in my FOO. I was reluctant to add the fact that I was >needy to a family heavily burdened with dealing with another members >problem, as I felt adding my problems to the existing problems would only >cause BIGGER problems for all. > Hence, I found the Ng and unburdened myself…in the most unsafe place of >all.. >I was harassed on usenet, simultaneously to being sent letters from >persons in real life saying "someone" was going around the country with >intent to harm everyone I care about, and then my hearing from those I care >about that "someone" was showing up on their doorsteps all over the country, >til they found I had posted on usenet. >I knew the person would, hence all my many nick changes in order to make >them work very hard to find what all I posted..(sorry guys) >Apparently, googling me is such arduous work that running down my posts >(and apparently persons posting to 45 other NG) kept them content for >nearly two years now before they finally made a full-scale frontal assault. >During which time, I appreciated those who engaged in dialogues with me of >a meaningful sort wrt tourettes as I learned much from everyone of you, >most especially, Sara, Brenda, JoanneB, Randall, as well as having >excelling exchanges with Ellen, Jan, ( but it might have been Jodi) , and >TSNW. . >The kindness of a number of AST posters, such as Sara, Brenda, JoanneB, >Randall, JMM, and even the texan at the last, meant a REAL REAL lot to me >at such a trying time for me, especially since I knew it wasn’t exactly >easy for you to be kind to me. >TSNW once commented, *rightly*, that I was exaggerating to role the >history of hostility on AST played in my staying away from actively >participating on AST for so long, after she read comments I made about my >reasons for being gunshy about participating on other than my intiial one, >ASD-med, in old posts to that Ng, . >The bickering on AST was only a little of the reason, the big real reason I >stayed clear of AST ws because Tourettes is my son’s condition, and I >didn’t want people who had the condition my son had to be burdened by my >entourage…of stalkers. >My great anger at being called a troll on AST was partly because I had >intentioally spared AST for a 1 1/2 from the noise might accompany my >participating. >I felt how how dare the psoters of AST accuse me of torlling them, when I >done everything i could to spare them. >I am sorry I was stupid enought to engage in arguements about the definition >of what TS is and isn’t… >I have come to realize, arguing about defintiions is a way of staying in >the problem, rather than focusing on solutions, maybe even avoiding >actually dealing with the myriad problems. >I hope TSNW will consider that, its more important to work on solutions >than have a consensus regarding semantics and definitions. theirefore >arguing endlessly. >My cognitive dissonance, or unresolved question inciting me to post to AST >and ASAD during this time was one I dare not talk about, but having come >out, is as follows: : >Given the fact that the near relatives of those with ADD are, according to >Comings, such a motley crew, would it not stand to reason that a child >growing up in a home corrupted by the insanity of their father on one hand, >their mother with their hands full with dealing with their father, and left >in the clutches of elder sibling was a bad seed, learn to be hypersensitive >to the their externmal world of madness and terror around them, to be >prepared for danger, and not so much focus on what they were doing. >If a 2-3 year old’s older sibling is a child psychopath, always engaging in >sleight of hand, lies, and forever attempting to divert your attention >from what they are doing, abusing you, stealing your toys, etc, onto >something neglible, wouldn’t the ADD become conditioned into the younger >sibling of a child pcyhopath. >When I saw that very person come to ng I participate about for my ADD and >son’s ts….thereby insisting I pay attention the THEM, rather than me and >my son and my problems, I knew the answer was yes, ADHD can be >conditioned response to growing up with a narcissistic or psychopathic >sibling crowds you, and INSISTS they be the center of your attention and >never allow you to attend to your own business. >Unfortunately, I myself employed diversion bigtime, with his attention to >take it off what was happening wrt his surgeries, and those medical >procedures, and whatever was going on exacerbating him to tic so he calm >and not tic…..seems you can’t do nothing right……sigh >So, I will be looking into recondition our attention, focus, biofeedback, >in addition to vitamin supplement.s >I don’t want to burden AST with the noise my entourage makes, anymore, its >not fair to AST posters……so I will be refraining from posting for >awhile, except perhaps informational articles I had been posting orginally >. >I wish you each the very very best, you are all very wonderful people, >each in your own way, and I do totally apologise for my behavior, being so >uptight, coiled, overreactive, angrily lashing out, a couple times down >right mean, and even irrational occaisionally.. >Thanks again, especailly for all your patience, as that in itself was a >kindness. >Best to you all. >L.
I truly wish you and your family some peace in your lives. Sounds to be a very chaotic and unsettling period right now (and in the past). Jan
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