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lpacker wrote: > x-no-archive: yes > anon-23…@anon.twwells.com wrote: > >x-no-archive: yes
I Have a close friend with OCD and multiple dx. She sufferers from Self-Mutilation Disorder, don’t think it’s in the DSM yet. She’s being treated at a center that specializes in SMD. This disorder is notoriously difficult to treat. It is believed to be a form of depersonalization. About 80% of sufferers have been sexually or viciously abused as small children. Oh, they also HATE the term "Cutters" I don’t know if "Self Mutilator" is any better but that’s what she prefers. Look in Newsweek, I think November 9th issue, they did a story on the disorder. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Leslie, > >I don’t know if I can answer your question; in fact, I still don’t know > >if I have TS. Everything on ast echoes the experiences I’ve had for the > >past 6 months; experiences that coincided with withdrawal from > >depakote. However, because of my age (29), the multiple stressors > >subsequent to my onset of tics, and my long and complicated psych hx, > >doctors are reluctant to diagnose me with a tic disorder. > >I do have some hx of cutting (maybe a dozen times in my life, but > >countless other urges to cut). In fact, my last episode was the day > >after my neuro told me that "none of this (ticcing or other motor > >symptoms) is real," that I was just a hysteric using this as a coping > >mechanism. I did it because I felt so ashamed of myself for faking > >these symptoms for so long, and fooling everyone, especially myself, > >into thinking I was such a strong person for coping with these symptoms > >when indeed having the symptoms in the first place was a direct result > >of my poor coping. It wasn’t a suicide atempt, just a form of corporal > >punishment, as have all my other cutting episodes. > <deep exhale> It really hurts to read what you wrote above, Alex. > But your experience — of almost punishing yourself intentionally — > does give me another way to view what this teen did, and actually > makes the most ’sense’ in terms of her picture. > > I;’d always known that if I told my doctors about the urges to cut, > >that would earn me the odious label "borderline", get me hospitalized, > >and everything else I’d say and do from then on would be reframed as a > >sign of my incurable and self-inflicted pathology. I was finally > >diagosed with atypical bipolar disorder 2 years ago and put on > >depakote. > I had questioned whether she had some mood disorder on top of her TS+, > but the psychiatrist feels that what I see as some ‘cycling’ on her > part is really just an exacerbation of the OCD/TS cycle– iow, the > usual ‘waxing’ cycle. > >This almost completely stabilized my moods, which had been > >extremely labile since early childhood, and eliminated the urge to cut. > >(And yes, I’m back on it and doing much better again). > I’m glad to hear you’re doing much better on it. > >Contrary to what I have read (and heard many times, with smug contempt, > >from my own psychology professors) cutting isn’t always necessarily a > >manipulative action. > The thought that it was manipulative didn’t really cross my mind for > this teen. The ‘cry for help’ notion, certainly, but there’s so much > going on that it’s hard to tease it all out. > >As far as whether this is related to TS, here is my opinion (as someone > >ABD in psychology as well as a polydiagnosed person herself). > >1) Cutting has multiple etiologies and multiple meanings. Mine was > >self-punishment, as well as a way to use physical pain to distract > >myself from extreme emotional pain. With others it may be a way of > >bringing them out of dissociative states. With some, it may be a cry > >for help when other cries go unheeded. > >2) Many people with TS often suffer from other disorders, including mood > >disorders, anxiety, OCD, etc; these could be more directly related to > >the cutting than the TS. > >3) Also, cutting is often a way of gaining control over some aspect of > >one’s life when the rest of one’s life is out of control, as are eating > >disorders. A way of testing onself with pain infliction and pain > >tolerance. People with TS suffer tremendously with having a body (and > >sometimes also mind) that is out of control, often with few if any > >people who understand and support them. Cutting may be a way for them > >to gain some control over bodily actions and reactions. > >Hope this helps. > >Alex > Alex, I can’t thank you enough for sharing your experiences and > thoughts. You really *have* helped by giving me some insights as to > what might be going on. > [And folks: if you reply to this post, please remember to put the > x-no-archive: yes command as your first line, to honor Alex's desire > that the posts not be archived.] > Leslie > >– > >For more information about this service, send e-mail to: > >h…@anon.twwells.com — for an automatically returned help message > >ad…@anon.twwells.com – for the service’s administrator > >ano…@anon.twwells.com — anonymous mail to the administrator > — > For information on Tourette Syndrome, see http://members.xoom.com/lpacker > For info on support services and resources on TS in the Long Island area, > see http://members.xoom.com/LITSA
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DrMom811 wrote: > But, some of us are not *bad* apples, just ones that aren’t "ripe" yet. > Truthfully, I had no clue as to what the x-no-archives: yes "thing-a-ma-jig" > was – I thought it was just a bit of "left-overs" from whatever software the > sender was using. > I promise to be more polite in the future. > One question – how many spaces between the colon & the yes – 1 or 2? > Thanks, > Barb
Barb, I have always put 1, but I don’t know if it matters. BB2
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‘Twas Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:01:18 GMT, when BB2 <blessed…@home.com> illuminated alt.support.tourette thusly: >> One question – how many spaces between the colon & the yes – 1 or 2? >Barb, I have always put 1, but I don’t know if it matters. BB2
I always put 2, as I was taught in 8th grade, but I don’t care. — R B | Randall Bart a a |/ mailto:Barti…@usa.spam.net mailto:Barti…@att.spam.net n r | 1-310-542-6013 Please reply without spam I Love You d t || Greatest Unisys A Series Programmer Available is Now Available a |/ http://members.aol.com/PanicYr00/RBResume.html l | The Year 2000 Bugs: http://members.aol.com/PanicYr00 l |/ MS^7=6/28/107 http://members.aol.com/PanicYr00/Sequence.html
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Holstein wrote: > <<<<Contrary to what I have read (and heard many times, with smug contempt, > from my own psychology professors) cutting isn’t always necessarily a > manipulative action.>>>> > Cutting is maladaptive way of dealing with intense psychological pain, but > it is usually NOT manipulative! Cutting can also become addictive and many > cutters are now being treated with drugs used to help alcohol and drug > addiction. There is a school of thought out there that these personality > disorders are behavioral and caused by trauma and poor parenting. This is > far from the facts, most personality disorders are genetic and chemically > based. Even manipulation is a symptom not a conscious act! > IMHO > Jean
I have lurked in this ng on and off for a while. Let me state my interest and queries simply. I long suspected I had mild Tourette’s (repetition, stuttering, near-involuntary winces and crying out, cursing–great, no?). Only recently have a psychiatrist and psychologist matter-of-factly told that, yeah, I probably do, and I might wish to try some experimental drugs for the treatment of this. I also have been cutting myself, generally with razors and knives and scissors on the wrists, since my late teens. I have blamed myself for this, just as I blamed myself for involuntary wincing and cursing, and suffered untold yada yada yada. Question: Now that I see that this constellation of behaviors is not necessarily =unusual=…has anyone found any relief from drugs? Forgive me if this has been recently treated in a FAQ; it wasn’t there last time I looked. Margot
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>Definitely. There are very valid reasons for no-archiving.
Agreed > There are >even very valid reasons for posting anonymously.
Agreed > It is a few rotten >apples who tend to abuse and spoil things for others, at times.
But, some of us are not *bad* apples, just ones that aren’t "ripe" yet. Truthfully, I had no clue as to what the x-no-archives: yes "thing-a-ma-jig" was – I thought it was just a bit of "left-overs" from whatever software the sender was using. I promise to be more polite in the future. One question – how many spaces between the colon & the yes – 1 or 2? Thanks, Barb
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<<<<Contrary to what I have read (and heard many times, with smug contempt, from my own psychology professors) cutting isn’t always necessarily a manipulative action.>>>> Cutting is maladaptive way of dealing with intense psychological pain, but it is usually NOT manipulative! Cutting can also become addictive and many cutters are now being treated with drugs used to help alcohol and drug addiction. There is a school of thought out there that these personality disorders are behavioral and caused by trauma and poor parenting. This is far from the facts, most personality disorders are genetic and chemically based. Even manipulation is a symptom not a conscious act! IMHO Jean
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sue wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:48:07 -0800, Bob Geller <bgel…@brainiac.com> > wrote: > >Sue, different subject but I just heard Fahey;’s Killer may get the > >chair!! > This is sad but true – the state of Delaware doesn’t seem to have any > problem in carrying out the death penalty, either (if he gets it). > They took 1-1/2 yrs to finally arrest the guy, and most of the full > story seems to have come out in the year+ since then. Maybe it’s best > they took their time, so the charges would stick? Who knows. For > those of you who don’t know (but care), Ann Marie Fahey became > missing 2-1/2 yrs ago – she was our governor’s appointment secretary. > Capano was a local lawyer who apparently had an on-again-off-again > relationship with her, as well as a wife and full-time mistress. Her > body has never been found, but the cooler he/they put her in was – out > in the Atlantic. > There’s sure been a lot going on in this little state, lately. > Today’s Montel Williams show featured a 10-yr old girl from South > Carolina who was being cared for a counselor in Delaware who wanted to > adopt her, so she’d brought suit to "divorce" her mother.
Dam! And I wanted to be first in that area…at l;east there will be presentent when I sue my family for divorce under the abandoment clause 
Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Meanwhile, we are all breaking out our rowboats just to visit our > neighbors;-) Just kidding – but there’s literally a nice little > stream running thru our backyards right now;-) > Sue
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On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:48:07 -0800, Bob Geller <bgel…@brainiac.com> wrote: >Sue, different subject but I just heard Fahey;’s Killer may get the >chair!!
This is sad but true – the state of Delaware doesn’t seem to have any problem in carrying out the death penalty, either (if he gets it). They took 1-1/2 yrs to finally arrest the guy, and most of the full story seems to have come out in the year+ since then. Maybe it’s best they took their time, so the charges would stick? Who knows. For those of you who don’t know (but care), Ann Marie Fahey became missing 2-1/2 yrs ago – she was our governor’s appointment secretary. Capano was a local lawyer who apparently had an on-again-off-again relationship with her, as well as a wife and full-time mistress. Her body has never been found, but the cooler he/they put her in was – out in the Atlantic. There’s sure been a lot going on in this little state, lately. Today’s Montel Williams show featured a 10-yr old girl from South Carolina who was being cared for a counselor in Delaware who wanted to adopt her, so she’d brought suit to "divorce" her mother. Meanwhile, we are all breaking out our rowboats just to visit our neighbors;-) Just kidding – but there’s literally a nice little stream running thru our backyards right now;-) Sue
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>You can "nuke" a post from DejaNews, which will remove it from its >archives. If you go to their page at http://www.dejanews.com and >follow the link to help/FAQ or whatever they call it, they will tell >you how to get a post "nuked."
I’ve provided a direct link to the nuke page below … >You must be the author of the post to get something ‘nuked’ and be >making the request from the account which issued the post-to-be-nuked. >I can’t remember if they have any other requirements. >Leslie
Yes, you can nuke any post which you authored and you must make the request from the account from which you wrote the post — the only other requirements are that once they send you a confirmation, you send it back in its entirety with the positive response. Nuking a post does NOT remove it from the reader on the newsgroup — as long as your ISP keeps posts, it will continue to show on the reader (7 days for some ISP’s, 30 to 60 for others …). It DOES remove it from the Deja News archives. Here is a direct link for nuking .. http://www.dejanews.com/forms/nuke.shtml BB2
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Sue, different subject but I just heard Fahey;’s Killer may get the chair!! First he cheats then he kills! Now I pray he ‘ll fry or better yet let him rot in jail as Bubba’s girl friend………Yeah that is better than kiling him……..Put him in a cell with a horny black cell mate for 20 yrs and sit back and laugh! Payback can be fun Bob
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‘Twas Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:35:06 GMT, when lpac…@nassau.cv.net (lpacker) illuminated alt.support.tourette thusly: >Definitely. There are very valid reasons for no-archiving. There are >even very valid reasons for posting anonymously.
But I can’t conceive of a reason for doing both. — R B | Randall Bart a a |/ mailto:Barti…@usa.spam.net mailto:Barti…@att.spam.net n r | 1-310-542-6013 Please reply without spam I Love You d t || Greatest Unisys A Series Programmer Available is Now Available a |/ http://members.aol.com/PanicYr00/RBResume.html l | The Year 2000 Bugs: http://members.aol.com/PanicYr00 l |/ MS^7=6/28/107 http://members.aol.com/PanicYr00/Sequence.html
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On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:57:52 GMT, BB2 <blessed…@home.com> wrote: >difficulties she has had. I also credit her for being willing to discuss this topic >in order to try to help Leslie with the teenager she is working with. No-archiving >is not always, or even often here, a case of not being able/willing to stand up >for the word that you have posted.
Absolutely it is not! There are many reasons why people should be legitimately concerned that anything they write will live for eternity (thru archiving). I, too, credit this person for what she wrote – it was incredibly generous, kind, and courageous! Oh, and btw – I do believe that, even in cases where excerpts or entire posts that were intended to be no-archived have been copied into archived posts, the poster who made the slip-up can correct this by deleting their own post from dejanews. I could be wrong, but it might be worth a try. Sue
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sue wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:57:52 GMT, BB2 <blessed…@home.com> wrote: > >difficulties she has had. I also credit her for being willing to discuss this topic > >in order to try to help Leslie with the teenager she is working with. No-archiving > >is not always, or even often here, a case of not being able/willing to stand up > >for the word that you have posted. > Absolutely it is not! There are many reasons why people should be > legitimately concerned that anything they write will live for eternity > (thru archiving). I, too, credit this person for what she wrote – it > was incredibly generous, kind, and courageous! Oh, and btw – I do > believe that, even in cases where excerpts or entire posts that were > intended to be no-archived have been copied into archived posts, the > poster who made the slip-up can correct this by deleting their own > post from dejanews. I could be wrong, but it might be worth a try. > Sue
Yes, it is possible for a poster to nuke one of his/her own posts through deja news … BB2
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X-no-archive is not unique to AOL: it prevents the post from any server from being archived to Deja News. It does not prevent the message from being accessed on the ng regardless of the server or browser — just from being archived in Deja News, so that someone doing a search for certain keywords in DN would not find the post. They would have to know where to access the post on the particular ng. I have an AOL account and this @home account, where Netscape is my browser, and the use of x-no-archive is the same in each case. Some servers do allow you to place the no-archive command in the headers so that it is not apparent to all readers (for instance, AOL) that you are even using it unless you have full headers on. More … John Morten Malerbakken wrote: > Please remember that the command "x-no-archive:yes" does not have any meaning to > people accessing this newsgroup through other ISP services than AOL, using Netscape > or MS Explorer. To us this is just one more hader text that you quickly scroll past > in order to get to teh real message in the post. > I have never tried to access newsgroup through AOL, and do not really understand > how this parameter works technically with the newsreader used there, but for those > of us in the rest of the world, this does not change or influence on our systems. > This means in practical terms, that if a poster likes to point out that he should > not be quoted, he might as well enter a text in bold at the top of his posting > like: Please do not store or quote this message.
Yes, this would also be helpful, since not everyone understands the use of no-archiving. It is similar to the other Alexe’s case, where he has to always remind us not to send him e-mail as his account is shared with his employer. > Technically the message is stored > on my computer once I have opened it, but reading the request not to quote might at > least be a warning to me or others when wanting to continue in the discussion. > Personally I believe that if you are not able to stand up for the word that you > have posted, you should not post it. (And signature in full name to it off course).
I am willing to understand the position that Alex is in here, particularly with respect to the subject and some of the past difficulties she has had. I also credit her for being willing to discuss this topic in order to try to help Leslie with the teenager she is working with. No-archiving is not always, or even often here, a case of not being able/willing to stand up for the word that you have posted. And some of us would never put our names out on the internet after seeing what one obnoxious cyberstalker has done to one of our own here. :-)) BB2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> John Morten > BlessedBy2 wrote: > > x-no-archive: yes > > >Subject: Re: cutting > > >From: sugar magnolia <maggiesuga…@ameritech.net> > > >Date: 1/16/99 2:05 PM Eastern Standard Time > > >Message-id: <36A0E308.CC441…@ameritech.net> > > >lpacker wrote: > > >> x-no-archive: yes > > >> anon-23…@anon.twwells.com wrote: > > >> >x-no-archive: yes > > > I Have a close friend with OCD and multiple dx. She sufferers from > > >Self-Mutilation Disorder, don’t think it’s in the DSM yet. > > <snip> > > Well, so much for no-archiving ) > > When a subsequent poster re-quotes the entire post without no-archiving it > > AGAIN on the very first line of the post, the whole thing is archived. Well, > > anyway, no one is required to respect no-archiving and many feel that it goes > > against the nature of the free internet, but in case you are interested in > > respecting Alex’s request, do NOT re-quote her entire post without no-archiving > > it. You have to re-type > > x-no-archive: yes > > onto the first line of the post BEFORE you do anything else. It is not my > > intent to point any fingers here, as no-archiving is by NO means something that > > is understood or respected by everyone, but it is my intent just to help others > > learn about it in the event that they do want to respect this request for Alex. > > Sincerely, BB2 > ———————————————————————— > John Morten Malerbakken <John.Mor…@swipnet.se> > John Morten Malerbakken > <John.Mor…@swipnet.se> > Cellular: +46-70-585 2295 > Fax: +49-331-233 3299 > Home: +46-300-63790 > Work: +49-331-233 3238 > Additional Information: > Last Name Malerbakken > First Name John Morten > Version 2.1
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Please remember that the command "x-no-archive:yes" does not have any meaning to people accessing this newsgroup through other ISP services than AOL, using Netscape or MS Explorer. To us this is just one more hader text that you quickly scroll past in order to get to teh real message in the post. I have never tried to access newsgroup through AOL, and do not really understand how this parameter works technically with the newsreader used there, but for those of us in the rest of the world, this does not change or influence on our systems. This means in practical terms, that if a poster likes to point out that he should not be quoted, he might as well enter a text in bold at the top of his posting like: Please do not store or quote this message. Technically the message is stored on my computer once I have opened it, but reading the request not to quote might at least be a warning to me or others when wanting to continue in the discussion. Personally I believe that if you are not able to stand up for the word that you have posted, you should not post it. (And signature in full name to it off course). John Morten – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -BlessedBy2 wrote: > x-no-archive: yes > >Subject: Re: cutting > >From: sugar magnolia <maggiesuga…@ameritech.net> > >Date: 1/16/99 2:05 PM Eastern Standard Time > >Message-id: <36A0E308.CC441…@ameritech.net> > >lpacker wrote: > >> x-no-archive: yes > >> anon-23…@anon.twwells.com wrote: > >> >x-no-archive: yes > > I Have a close friend with OCD and multiple dx. She sufferers from > >Self-Mutilation Disorder, don’t think it’s in the DSM yet. > <snip> > Well, so much for no-archiving ) > When a subsequent poster re-quotes the entire post without no-archiving it > AGAIN on the very first line of the post, the whole thing is archived. Well, > anyway, no one is required to respect no-archiving and many feel that it goes > against the nature of the free internet, but in case you are interested in > respecting Alex’s request, do NOT re-quote her entire post without no-archiving > it. You have to re-type > x-no-archive: yes > onto the first line of the post BEFORE you do anything else. It is not my > intent to point any fingers here, as no-archiving is by NO means something that > is understood or respected by everyone, but it is my intent just to help others > learn about it in the event that they do want to respect this request for Alex. > Sincerely, BB2
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