Collodial Silver know to kill Anhrax
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Well said. Arnold —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – continue using it, look up ARGYRIA and consider going through life looking greyish blue. If I had to choose between that and the incredible pain that my sinuses used to give me, I would go for blue in a second. I believe this to be a myth. Your believing or not believing in argyria doesn’t make a difference. If believing made things so, we’d be awash in Easter Bunnies every spring, and fatmen in redsuits at Yule. There is a great difference between Colloidal Silver and Silver Compounds. They all have silver, and silver build-up in the tissues, particularly in the skin, is called argyria. I agree that this is a serious possibility that people should be aware of. However, as with any side effect, it is dose-dependent in part and in part dependent on the mode of adminsitration as well as the particular formulation. Argyria does not seem to be a problem as far as I can see from those I’ve known who use colloidal silver. Efficacy is another matter. Good quality products do seem to have a benefit for certain conditions. However, an antibiotic may for many conditions be a superior choice! Sadly, the value, limitations and so forth of colloidal silver are lost in the murk of ignorance, bullshit scientific skepticism that has more to do with bigotry than science and, on the other side, sometimes a charming if misplaced gullibility–altho many people I’ve known who have used it have been pretty well-informed about it. Still, I’ve also read claims made by purveyors that are just bullshit. George M. Carter
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What is silver water or colloidal silver? A way to make quacks rich!
Considering the Trillion dollar quack industry called modern medicine and pharmaceutical drugs, who are the quacks getting rich? but lethal to over 650 disease causing bacteria, viruses, fungi, parasites, and molds; Is so, not proven to happen inside the body, just in the petri dish. And common bleach is a far better disinfectant in these
Is this any different from your lab studies? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. Again – the action of colloidal silver has never been demonstrated IN VIVO (in live bodies). These claims of effectiveness arose in the early 190os and were rejected" In 1919 JAMA’s Council on Pharmacy and Chemistry ruled that Collosol Argentum (brand-name of some early colloidal silver), along with several other of the Crookes’ Laboratory products, were "inadmissible to New and Nonofficial Remedies," stating that "In the few cases in which the therapeutic claims for these preparations were examined, the claims were found to be so improbable or exaggerated as to have necessitated the rejection of these products."
Yep, the Rockefeller medical monopoly was active then. Even more powerful now. Unless they can patent it, profit from it, and control it, you are a quack, do not pass go, do not collect your money, go to jail. Just like the monopoly game. Cee.
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snip…. The funniest thing silver users and sellers say about colloidal silver is that it’s "natural". Bulk silver must be mined and refined. The recipe I have seen for making your own colloidal silver from bulk silver involves electrolysis. Batteries and generators don’t grow on trees. Colloidal silver is as "natural" as styrofoam.
"Natural" is one of the most worthless words in the alt-biz world. Shit is natural. Saliva is natural. HIV is natural (altho I guess some think it is artificial; ah, well). That doesn’t mean colloidal silver is worthless for some indications. Sadly, getting good data is not so easy. This is partly because colloidal silver was "grandfathered" as an accepted part of the US pharmacopoeia before FDA regulation. Its use was largely eclipsed by the advent of antibiotic therapy. One study below suggested no value for colloidal silver for that indication. That doesn’t mean its worthless for all indications of course. There’s a few studies on medline that reference colloidal silver. I noted only three case histories noting argyria relating to the use of colloidal silver. My review was not exhaustive. The feds, apparently, do not look glowingly on colloidal silver. Bigotry or an accurate assessment? I’m not sure. It doesn’t seem toxic enough to warrant the FDA action–yet there it is. I’m going to review the FDA rule making. Otherwise, the stuff is widely used for various cellular staining techniques (along with colloidal gold). Anybody have recent (or older) data? George M. Carter **** Spratt DA, Pratten J, Wilson M, Gulabivala K. An in vitro evaluation of the antimicrobial efficacy of irrigants on biofilms of root canal isolates. Int Endod J 2001 Jun;34(4):300-307. Department of Conservative Dentistry, Eastman Dental Institute for Oral Health Care Sciences, University College London, University of AIM: The bactericidal effect of four antimicrobial agents was investigated against single-species biofilms derived from a range of root canal isolates. METHODOLOGY: Single-species biofilms of Prevotella intermedia, Peptostreptococcus micros, Streptococcus intermedius, Fusobacterium nucleatum and Enterococcus faecalis were generated on membrane filter discs and subjected to 15 min or 1 h incubation with 5 p.p.m. colloidal silver, 2.25% sodium hypochlorite (NaOCl), 0.2% chlorhexidine, 10% iodine or phosphate buffered saline (PBS) as a control. The antimicrobial activity of the agents was neutralized and the bacterial cells were harvested from the discs by vortexing, serially diluted in reduced transport fluid, plated on fastidious anaerobe agar containing 5% horse blood, incubated anaerobically and colony-forming units calculated. RESULTS: Iodine and NaOCl were more effective than chlorhexidine except against P. micros and P. intermedia where they were all 100% effective. Iodine and NaOCl elicited a 100% kill after 1 h incubation for all strains used. However, after 15 min, they showed differing bactericidal effects depending on the strain. None of the agents were effective against F. nucleatum after 15 min but NaOCl, iodine and chlorhexidine were all effective after 1 h. Colloidal silver was generally ineffective. CONCLUSIONS: The effectiveness of a particular agent was dependent on the nature of the organism in the biofilm and on the contact time. NaOCl was generally the most effective agent tested, followed by iodine. However the clinical efficacy of these agents must be considered in light of the complex root canal anatomy and polymicrobial nature of root canal infections. **** Gulbranson SH, Hud JA, Hansen RC. Argyria following the use of dietary supplements containing colloidal silver protein. Cutis 2000 Nov;66(5):373-374. Good Samaritan Regional Medical Center, Phoenix, Arizona 85006, USA. The onset of argyria following the use of dietary supplements containing colloidal silver protein is presented. The patient was using a silver-containing product for cold and allergy prophylaxis. We review the past and present medicinal roles of silver and include a differential diagnosis for argyria. The hyperpigmentation of argyria is usually permanent, and it follows a sun-exposed distribution. This case report highlights the potential for toxicity following the use of dietary supplements and demonstrates the importance of physician inquiry regarding alternative medicines. Finally, we examine the limited role of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in regulating alternative medicines marketed as dietary supplements. **** Over-the-counter drug products containing colloidal silver ingredients or silver salts. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), Public Health Service (PHS), Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Final rule. Fed Regist 1999 Aug 17;64(158):44653-44658. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is issuing a final rule establishing that all over-the-counter (OTC) drug products containing colloidal silver ingredients or silver salts for internal or external use are not generally recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded. FDA is issuing this final rule because many OTC drug products containing colloidal silver ingredients or silver salts are being marketed for numerous serious disease conditions and FDA is not aware of any substantial scientific evidence that supports the use of OTC colloidal silver ingredients or silver salts for these disease conditions. **** Fung MC, Bowen DL. Silver products for medical indications: risk-benefit assessment. J Toxicol Clin Toxicol 1996;34(1):119-126. Center of Drug Evaluation and Research, Food and Drug Administration, Rockville, Maryland, USA. BACKGROUND: Legitimate medicinal use of silver-containing products has dramatically diminished over the last several decades. Recently, however, some manufacturers have begun to enthusiastically promote oral colloidal silver proteins as mineral supplements and for prevention and treatment of many diseases. Indiscriminate use of silver products can lead to toxicity such as argyria. OBJECTIVE: To assist health care professionals in a risk versus benefit assessment of over-the-counter silver-containing products, we herein examine the following issues: historical uses, chemistry, pharmacology, clinical toxicology, case reports of adverse events in the literature, and the recent promotion of over-the-counter silver products. Other sources of silver exposure (including environmental and dietary) and EPA exposure standards are discussed. A list of currently available silver products is provided for easy reference and screening. CONCLUSIONS: We emphasize the lack of established effectiveness and potential toxicity of these products. **** Munoz Ruiz C, Collazo Ponce A, Alvarado FJ. Bactericidal effect of hydrated lime in aqueous solution]. Bol Oficina Sanit Panam 1995 Apr;118(4):302-306. [Article in Spanish] Erratum in: Bol Oficina Sanit Panam 1995 Oct;119(4):291 Centro Interdisciplinario de Investigacion para el Desarrollo Integral Regional, Jiquilpan, Michoacan, Mexico. This study determined the bactericidal effect of the supernatants of saturated solutions of common lime and of micronized calcium hydroxide (Ca(OH)2) (1500 mg/L), which was used as a control, compared with disinfectants made of solutions of 0.33% colloidal silver (0.0016 mg/L), toluene sulfachloramine (41 mg/L) with sodium bicarbonate (9 mg/L), and sodium hypochlorite (5 mg/L). The test involved four strains of Vibrio cholerae 01, V. parahaemolyticus, Escherichia coli, Salmonella typhimurium, Shigella flexneri, Sh. sonnei, and Sa. enterititidis. These bacteria were inoculated into the bactericidal substances listed above and, after different incubation times, the number of surviving bacteria was determined in vitro by using a counting plate. The results were expressed in colony-forming units (CFU). An in situ estimate was made of the amount of V. cholerae on 35 strawberries and 35 radishes (having a weight of about 10 g per unit) after they were washed under a flow of potable water, submerged in the supernatant of the saturated lime solution (1.5 g/L), or both. The greatest bactericidal effect was obtained against V. cholerae 01 and was observed in 3 minutes. Other enterobacteria were resistant to the effect for up to 30 minutes. Pardo-Peret P, Sans-Sabrafen J, Boleda Relats M. [Argyriasis. Report of a case (author's transl)]. Med Clin (Barc) 1979 Nov 25;73(9):386-388. [Article in Spanish] A case of argyriasis in a 45-year-old woman is reported. When the patient was 34 she took for a period of 25 months a silver-containing pharmacological product (colloidal silicon with 0.5 percent of silver) in order to treat an intestinal dyspepsia with diarrheic episodes. A few months after discontinuing the treatment a cutaneous pigmentation of a greyish-blue color extending over the whole body, developed. There was also discoloration of the nails, hair, and of the oral and gingival mucosae. The differential diagnosis with other conditions that also develop anomalies of cutaneous pigmentation was established. It is thought that the appearance of the silver poisoning is due to different factors such as the quantity of silver intake, the individual sensitivity to the metal, and the greater or lesser period of exposure to sunlight. The importance of the skin biopsy in order to confirm the diagnosis is commented on. Typical pathologic findings include the presence of silver granules in the basal membrane of sudoriparous glands, around the pilosebaceous follicles, and in the connective tissue. Lastly, the authors insist on the necessity to avoid the prescription of silver-salt containing drugs as far as possible, since the cutaneous pigmentation is irreversible. **** Parker WA. Argyria and cyanotic heart disease. Am J Hosp Pharm 1977 Mar;34(3):287-289. A case report in which argyria is … read more »
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You tell him Cher! There is just nuttin like real life experience. Right on! Jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Cher, how come an antibiotic is a "pharmaceutical approach," but silver isn’t? It’s not like one is more "natural" than the other. Still waiting for an answer to this one, Cher. I tend to think of silver as more of an alternative approach….guess I’m wrong…And unlike you I have no problem admitting that. I didn’t know CS was prescribed.. Oh, and your complaints about all those awful people who can’t think outside the box aren’t? It’s pretty clear you class yourself as one of those "outside the box" types, a fine dose of hearty self- congratulation if ever there was one. What complaints? And yes, I do think outside the box….And that can be a good thing…and sometimes it can be a "not so good" thing. Fine — my position is that it’s garbage, that there is no known benefit to drinking it, and that almost everyone pushing it, like good ol’ Kip there, is selling the stuff. Such postings are invariably filled with lies, misdirections, half-truths, and irrelevancies. If Darlene Sherrill ever barges back in here to post her usual load of swill on the subject, I’ll revive my rebuttal. OK fine….now you’ve made yourself abundently clear..So what happens now? I mean what if Mrs. Smith pops in and wants some more information on CS? What if she thinks Kip’s CS might be able to help her loved one and she’s more than happy to purchase it from Kip? What’s your next move then? If the stuff is garbage, why shouldn’t it be denounced? Did you know that studies had been done on the potency of various CS products, and some of them didn’t even contain any silver? I admit it’s safer that way, but it seems deceptive to me… Maybe what you percieve as garbage, might actually be of tremendous help to someone else. At the age of 10 my daughter was diagnosed with Tourette Syndrome. It was no picnic. Medications did little to help ease her tics, which became increasingly worse. She saw a pediatric neurologist every 4-6 months. School was a nightmare as she could hardly stay in her seat. Hitting yourself and making grunting sounds during class isn’t great for making friends…lunchtime was the pitts too…Jr. HIgh was horrible…..She called me to pick her up on many, many, many, many, many days. She cried alot. There were times when she just wanted to die…Sleep was all she lived for and then she wouldn’t even be aware that she wasn’t ticcing. She use to want us to record her sleeping so she could see herself motionless. Now….try to hear me please. Had I listened to people who thought as you do, she would still be living the same nightmare. Thank God I didn’t. Because of a few folks who believed in alternatives & because they refused to throw in the towel, they refused to "shut up" or "give up" when others mocked, made fun of, humilated, called names etc. etc., because they believed in what they knew to be true, regardless of what others threw at them or said…because they shared what they knew even when others called them "snake oil salesmen"…because of these people…. I was able to help my daugher. Now you don’t have to believe a word of that, nor do you have to agree or even like it….but it is the truth. ..My daughter hasn’t seen (or had need to see) her pediatric neurologist in over 4 years. She takes absolutely no more medicatons (she was on an anti-pshycotic drug (3xday for the tics). She has graduated high school early, she models, works part time, goes to dances, dates, and is about to start Jr. College. Her life is so much different, I cannot even begin to tell you! If she stops taking her "snake oil" supplements the tics come back. Now, I don’t have any double blind studies to prove it (and neither did the mother who told me about it 4 yrs. ago)….and for those of you who want double blind studies, research, etc. etc….well, that’s fine, but you wouldn’t want this approach, because the studies just aren;t there……Now…. I say all of that, to bring you to this point. Four years ago I wanted help for my daughter. While I was concerned about product safety, I didn’t necessarily need research out of any peer reviewed Journals to tell me I could put my daughter on Barleygreen, pycnogenol and Restores. After checking the companies out, and speaking with others who’d used the products successfully, she started on them. Three days it took Mr. Wright Three days….72 hours….. to see dramatic improvements. Actually I saw improvement before that but was too afraid to believe it might be true…but after that third day there was no denying it…she was in tears as she showed me how still she could hold her arms. I certainly do not pretend to know everything….(far from it)….I am very open to new ideas. Because of my past experience (and you only heard one of my family members story), I feel compelled to give someone the benefit of the doubt, especially about something like CS which I have used and also have recommend to others successfully. A very close friend used it. He had extremely bad burns and was about to loose several fingers due to infections. The CS certainly seemed to help him also…So please Mr. Wright…we can all respect one another opinions….but it must go both ways. Please speak your mind…if you think something is garbage, by all means say so…but…please don’t come in here claiming CS or the many other alternative approaches are totally useless…..because you see, what’s useless or garbage to you might be an answered prayer to someone else. Four years ago I bet you’d have told me that Barleygreen, Restores and Pycnogenol were snakeoils and those who sold them to me were wicked, money hungry people. You would have been very wrong on both counts. Trying to start some turmoil….shame on you! And you’re not. Poor little lamb. Not at all….and believe you me …I am no "poor little lamb". Cher Let Freedom Ring O/ God Bless America
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Hey Cher, how come an antibiotic is a "pharmaceutical approach," but silver isn’t? It’s not like one is more "natural" than the other. Still waiting for an answer to this one, Cher.
I tend to think of silver as more of an alternative approach….guess I’m wrong…And unlike you I have no problem admitting that. I didn’t know CS was prescribed.. Oh, and your complaints about all those awful people who can’t think outside the box aren’t? It’s pretty clear you class yourself as one of those "outside the box" types, a fine dose of hearty self- congratulation if ever there was one.
What complaints? And yes, I do think outside the box….And that can be a good thing…and sometimes it can be a "not so good" thing. Fine — my position is that it’s garbage, that there is no known benefit to drinking it, and that almost everyone pushing it, like good ol’ Kip there, is selling the stuff. Such postings are invariably filled with lies, misdirections, half-truths, and irrelevancies. If Darlene Sherrill ever barges back in here to post her usual load of swill on the subject, I’ll revive my rebuttal.
OK fine….now you’ve made yourself abundently clear..So what happens now? I mean what if Mrs. Smith pops in and wants some more information on CS? What if she thinks Kip’s CS might be able to help her loved one and she’s more than happy to purchase it from Kip? What’s your next move then? If the stuff is garbage, why shouldn’t it be denounced? Did you know that studies had been done on the potency of various CS products, and some of them didn’t even contain any silver? I admit it’s safer that way, but it seems deceptive to me…
Maybe what you percieve as garbage, might actually be of tremendous help to someone else. At the age of 10 my daughter was diagnosed with Tourette Syndrome. It was no picnic. Medications did little to help ease her tics, which became increasingly worse. She saw a pediatric neurologist every 4-6 months. School was a nightmare as she could hardly stay in her seat. Hitting yourself and making grunting sounds during class isn’t great for making friends…lunchtime was the pitts too…Jr. HIgh was horrible…..She called me to pick her up on many, many, many, many, many days. She cried alot. There were times when she just wanted to die…Sleep was all she lived for and then she wouldn’t even be aware that she wasn’t ticcing. She use to want us to record her sleeping so she could see herself motionless. Now….try to hear me please. Had I listened to people who thought as you do, she would still be living the same nightmare. Thank God I didn’t. Because of a few folks who believed in alternatives & because they refused to throw in the towel, they refused to "shut up" or "give up" when others mocked, made fun of, humilated, called names etc. etc., because they believed in what they knew to be true, regardless of what others threw at them or said…because they shared what they knew even when others called them "snake oil salesmen"…because of these people…. I was able to help my daugher. Now you don’t have to believe a word of that, nor do you have to agree or even like it….but it is the truth. ..My daughter hasn’t seen (or had need to see) her pediatric neurologist in over 4 years. She takes absolutely no more medicatons (she was on an anti-pshycotic drug (3xday for the tics). She has graduated high school early, she models, works part time, goes to dances, dates, and is about to start Jr. College. Her life is so much different, I cannot even begin to tell you! If she stops taking her "snake oil" supplements the tics come back. Now, I don’t have any double blind studies to prove it (and neither did the mother who told me about it 4 yrs. ago)….and for those of you who want double blind studies, research, etc. etc….well, that’s fine, but you wouldn’t want this approach, because the studies just aren;t there……Now…. I say all of that, to bring you to this point. Four years ago I wanted help for my daughter. While I was concerned about product safety, I didn’t necessarily need research out of any peer reviewed Journals to tell me I could put my daughter on Barleygreen, pycnogenol and Restores. After checking the companies out, and speaking with others who’d used the products successfully, she started on them. Three days it took Mr. Wright Three days….72 hours….. to see dramatic improvements. Actually I saw improvement before that but was too afraid to believe it might be true…but after that third day there was no denying it…she was in tears as she showed me how still she could hold her arms. I certainly do not pretend to know everything….(far from it)….I am very open to new ideas. Because of my past experience (and you only heard one of my family members story), I feel compelled to give someone the benefit of the doubt, especially about something like CS which I have used and also have recommend to others successfully. A very close friend used it. He had extremely bad burns and was about to loose several fingers due to infections. The CS certainly seemed to help him also…So please Mr. Wright…we can all respect one another opinions….but it must go both ways. Please speak your mind…if you think something is garbage, by all means say so…but…please don’t come in here claiming CS or the many other alternative approaches are totally useless…..because you see, what’s useless or garbage to you might be an answered prayer to someone else. Four years ago I bet you’d have told me that Barleygreen, Restores and Pycnogenol were snakeoils and those who sold them to me were wicked, money hungry people. You would have been very wrong on both counts. Trying to start some turmoil….shame on you! And you’re not. Poor little lamb.
Not at all….and believe you me …I am no "poor little lamb". Cher Let Freedom Ring O/ God Bless America
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continue using it, look up ARGYRIA and consider going through life looking greyish blue. If I had to choose between that and the incredible pain that my sinuses used to give me, I would go for blue in a second. I believe this to be a myth. There is a great difference between Colloidal Silver and Silver Compounds.
To the extent that colloidal silver can kill germs, it must be reacting chemically. Germs don’t die by intimidation — silver particles will not frighten them to death. In order to interfere with a cell’s metabolism to kill it, the silver must react with compounds inside the cell — it must inevitably form compounds. Sometimes localized argyrias form in pierced ears where silver earrings are worn. The silver doesn’t walk there. It has to react and form compounds in order to be transported into nearby tissues. The difference between a silver earring and a colloidal suspension of silver is that the colloidal suspension has a lot more surface area, and therefore more opportunity to react chemically. If the human body can absorb silver from the surface of an earring, it can surely absorb silver from colloidal particles. The funniest thing silver users and sellers say about colloidal silver is that it’s "natural". Bulk silver must be mined and refined. The recipe I have seen for making your own colloidal silver from bulk silver involves electrolysis. Batteries and generators don’t grow on trees. Colloidal silver is as "natural" as styrofoam. The report of one person who makes his own colloidal silver is that the solution turns yellow. What colour is silver? What turns the water yellow, then? Starting with pure silver and pure water, about the only other thing that could be in there is silver hydroxide. There is an irritating lack of information on the web about how much lifetime consumption of silver it takes to cause visible argyria. — David Canzi
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If the stuff is garbage, why shouldn’t it be denounced? Did you know that studies had been done on the potency of various CS products, and some of them didn’t even contain any silver? I admit it’s safer that way, but it seems deceptive to me…
Maybe not, but several contain mercury. (Cue Jan Drew) — | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make | | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay | | for new products or new versions of existing products." |
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is silver water or colloidal silver? <usual nonsensical claims about CS excised Kip…….Thanks for the information….There are many here who will appreciate being able to investigate this further…. After all that’s what this forum is all about. Don’t pay too much attention to the folks giving you a hard time. They do this anytime someone attempts to think "outside the box". And suggesting something other than a pharmaceutical approach (to better health) is definitely thinking outside the box! Hey Cher, how come an antibiotic is a "pharmaceutical approach," but silver isn’t? It’s not like one is more "natural" than the other.
Still waiting for an answer to this one, Cher. Meanwhile, you can save the smears about how someone opposed to the idea of CS (for example) is a blinkered fool I never said anyone was a fool…those are your words and they are meant to start trouble.
Oh, and your complaints about all those awful people who can’t think outside the box aren’t? It’s pretty clear you class yourself as one of those "outside the box" types, a fine dose of hearty self- congratulation if ever there was one. who won’t "think outside the box." Did it ever occur to you that maybe some of the people here have already researched CS, and the claims made for it, and discovered that it was crap? If that were the case…Why not just say so? Why not just explain your feelings or your position on CS?
Fine — my position is that it’s garbage, that there is no known benefit to drinking it, and that almost everyone pushing it, like good ol’ Kip there, is selling the stuff. Such postings are invariably filled with lies, misdirections, half-truths, and irrelevancies. If Darlene Sherrill ever barges back in here to post her usual load of swill on the subject, I’ll revive my rebuttal. I’ll tell you why…because oftentimes the posters real objective is not to offer nice, kindly advise about Colloidal silver (or wahtever)…If it were, then that’s what they’d do..but they don’t…They accuse, bash, denounce, slam, whatever it takes to start a problem.
If the stuff is garbage, why shouldn’t it be denounced? Did you know that studies had been done on the potency of various CS products, and some of them didn’t even contain any silver? I admit it’s safer that way, but it seems deceptive to me… No, that wouldn’t cross your mind, would it? After all, you already use the stuff, and you are clearly convinced that you are a wildly innovative thinker. Trying to start some turmoil….shame on you!
And you’re not. Poor little lamb. — David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders."
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is silver water or colloidal silver? <usual nonsensical claims about CS excised Kip…….Thanks for the information….There are many here who will appreciate being able to investigate this further…. After all that’s what this forum is all about. Don’t pay too much attention to the folks giving you a hard time. They do this anytime someone attempts to think "outside the box". And suggesting something other than a pharmaceutical approach (to better health) is definitely thinking outside the box! Hey Cher, how come an antibiotic is a "pharmaceutical approach," but silver isn’t? It’s not like one is more "natural" than the other. Meanwhile, you can save the smears about how someone opposed to the idea of CS (for example) is a blinkered fool
I never said anyone was a fool…those are your words and they are meant to start trouble. who won’t "think outside the box." Did it ever occur to you that maybe some of the people here have already researched CS, and the claims made for it, and discovered that it was crap?
If that were the case…Why not just say so? Why not just explain your feelings or your position on CS? I’ll tell you why…because oftentimes the posters real objective is not to offer nice, kindly advise about Colloidal silver (or wahtever)…If it were, then that’s what they’d do..but they don’t…They accuse, bash, denounce, slam, whatever it takes to start a problem. No, that wouldn’t cross your mind, would it? After all, you already use the stuff, and you are clearly convinced that you are a wildly innovative thinker.
Trying to start some turmoil….shame on you! You obviously know little about colloidal silver, but because of Kip’s impassioned claims about it, you’re at least 90% of the way to being convinced that it’s wonderful. Don’t do any research or anything — it might burst your bubble.
Another attempt to cause discord….shame on you again.
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Hey Cher, how come an antibiotic is a "pharmaceutical approach," but silver isn’t? It’s not like one is more "natural" than the other.
You mean there are no mineral springs gushing forth colloidal silver solution, out there in the pristine woods? I’m distraught. Still waiting for an answer to this one, Cher. If the stuff is garbage, why shouldn’t it be denounced? Did you know that studies had been done on the potency of various CS products, and some of them didn’t even contain any silver? I admit it’s safer that way, but it seems deceptive to me…
Isn’t a pharmacist in the mid-west facing multiple felony counts for selling diluted medications? Why should the "alternative" folks be held to any lower standard? Tsu Dho Nimh A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
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What is silver water or colloidal silver? Colloidal Silver is a solution of extremely fine sub microscopic particles (.015 – .005 microns) of pure silver suspended in water by a positive electric charge on each particle. The particles remain suspended throughout the solution because these positive charged particles repel each other with a greater force than gravity can exert upon. A powerful germicidal, silver is an exceptional metal in that it is non-toxic to the human body, but lethal to over 650 disease causing bacteria, viruses, fungi, parasites, and molds; while conventional pharmaceutical antibiotics are typically effective against only 6 or 7 types of bacteria. Some new strains of bacteria classified as MDR (Multiple Drug Resistant) have proven to be resistant to all pharmaceutical antibiotics, but not to colloidal silver due to different germicidal mechanisms of deactivation. A simple mineral called Colloidal Silver is reported to be effective in killing this bacteria even in very weak strengths! In an article written by Ward Dean MD October 2001 Vitamin Research News he states Silver in both liquid and airborne-aerosol has been known since 1887 to be extremely toxic to Anthrax spores. He goes on to say although there is no clearly defined dosage, but as safe as Silver is that it would be wise to err on the higher use side, and that there are no known pathogens which have demonstrated resistance to Silver. In the same issue another author states that colloidal silver has caused remission in both Hepatitis C and HIV Virus. Germs are often killed that are antibiotic resistant. Now that anthrax is showing up in the mail how will any of us know we are even infected? We can’t take antibiotics such as Doxycycline ahead of time to be prepared, but you can take colloidal silver safely each day and have it in your system in case you are infected without your knowledge. And that way it can be killing the anthrax right away, and of course other antibiotics or cures could also follow it up, if you found out you were infected. We must prepare ourselves, as there is only so much the government can do for us. In the Journal of Longevity, Medical Doctor Larry Doss wrote an article" Homeopathic Approach Kills More Than 650 Types of Germs," traditional mineral can eliminate internal and external bacteria. Infectious diseases are the third leading cause of death in the United States, but even worse that 150,000 people die every year from taking medications as prescribed (Tamkins 1997). He also states that silver taken orally can fight off a variety of bacteria and viruses. Dr. Henry Crooke reports concluded that there wasn’t any known microbe that could survive after silver was used (Duarte 1997). I taks 1-2 ounces daily. I cannot say if it will be 100% effective against anthrax, but there is no downside risk FOR MORE INFO CONTACT ME AT WWW.CUSTOMPROFILE.COM/HEALTHISWEALTH
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What is silver water or colloidal silver?
…. The substance that turned the lady pictured on the left an odd color: http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose1.html Just because something can kill bacteria topically does not mean it works internally. Bleach also kills germs, but I wouldn’t drink it.
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What is silver water or colloidal silver?
It’s a scam pushed by people like "Kip Charles." How a silver solution that you drink is going to attack an organism that’s taken root in your lungs is never explained. <horseshit article full of twisted "facts" deleted — David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders."
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No downside risk? CHeck this out: http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org/vtlrefab.htm — _o Kristofer Dale, _ <,_ ragged individualist, _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large… p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org
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What is silver water or colloidal silver?
A way to make quacks rich! Colloidal Silver is a solution of extremely fine sub microscopic particles (.015 – .005 microns) of pure silver suspended in water by a positive electric charge on each particle. The particles remain suspended throughout the solution because these positive charged particles repel each other with a greater force than gravity can exert upon.
Until they settle in your skin, making it a ghastly greyish color. You too can LOOK DEAD before your time! A powerful germicidal, silver is an exceptional metal in that it is non-toxic to the human body,
Aside from the silver deposits and ghastly permanent grey color, it is relatively non-toxic. but lethal to over 650 disease causing bacteria, viruses, fungi, parasites, and molds;
Is so, not proven to happen inside the body, just in the petri dish. And common bleach is a far better disinfectant in these cases. while conventional pharmaceutical antibiotics are typically effective against only 6 or 7 types of bacteria.
There are two main classes of bacteria, based on their cell wall material, gram positive and gram negative … Some new strains of bacteria classified as MDR (Multiple Drug Resistant) have proven to be resistant to all pharmaceutical antibiotics, but not to colloidal silver due to different germicidal mechanisms of deactivation.
Again – the action of colloidal silver has never been demonstrated IN VIVO (in live bodies). These claims of effectiveness arose in the early 190os and were rejected" In 1919 JAMA’s Council on Pharmacy and Chemistry ruled that Collosol Argentum (brand-name of some early colloidal silver), along with several other of the Crookes’ Laboratory products, were "inadmissible to New and Nonofficial Remedies," stating that "In the few cases in which the therapeutic claims for these preparations were examined, the claims were found to be so improbable or exaggerated as to have necessitated the rejection of these products." A simple mineral called Colloidal Silver is reported to be effective in killing this bacteria even in very weak strengths! In an article written by Ward Dean MD October 2001 Vitamin Research News he states Silver in both liquid and airborne-aerosol has been known since 1887 to be extremely toxic to Anthrax spores.
Oh really? And why is the CDC unaware of this? Shouldn’t you be calling them instead of spamming newsgroups with ads? He goes on to say although there is no clearly defined dosage, but as safe as Silver is that it would be wise to err on the higher use side
Oh cool … he wants you to turn grey FASTER! and that there are no known pathogens which have demonstrated resistance to Silver.
There are no known pathogens that have been shown to be killed in the human body by this crap either. Now that anthrax is showing up in the mail how will any of us know we are even infected? We can’t take antibiotics such as Doxycycline ahead of time to be prepared, but you can take colloidal silver safely each day and have it in your system in case you are infected without your knowledge.
Until you turn grey, and get an infection that it doesn’t fix, whichever comes first. Tsu Dho Nimh A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – continue using it, look up ARGYRIA and consider going through life looking greyish blue. If I had to choose between that and the incredible pain that my sinuses used to give me, I would go for blue in a second. I believe this to be a myth. Your believing or not believing in argyria doesn’t make a difference. If believing made things so, we’d be awash in Easter Bunnies every spring, and fatmen in redsuits at Yule. There is a great difference between Colloidal Silver and Silver Compounds. They all have silver, and silver build-up in the tissues, particularly in the skin, is called argyria.
I agree that this is a serious possibility that people should be aware of. However, as with any side effect, it is dose-dependent in part and in part dependent on the mode of adminsitration as well as the particular formulation. Argyria does not seem to be a problem as far as I can see from those I’ve known who use colloidal silver. Efficacy is another matter. Good quality products do seem to have a benefit for certain conditions. However, an antibiotic may for many conditions be a superior choice! Sadly, the value, limitations and so forth of colloidal silver are lost in the murk of ignorance, bullshit scientific skepticism that has more to do with bigotry than science and, on the other side, sometimes a charming if misplaced gullibility–altho many people I’ve known who have used it have been pretty well-informed about it. Still, I’ve also read claims made by purveyors that are just bullshit. George M. Carter
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The obvious problem with using it to treat the pneumonic anthrax is that you can’t get it where you need it; i.e. in the aveola of your lungs,
Actually, you are "dead" wrong. Anthrax spores in the lungs pose no problem. It is when the spores are transported by the body to the lymph system that the problem develops. While I cannot comment on the effect of colloidal silver upon anthrax, since I have no information other than that the Russians used it for that purpose, the location where you want to attack the spores is the lymph, not the lungs. Cee.
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Kip…….Thanks for the information….There are many here who will appreciate being able to investigate this further…. After all that’s what this forum is all about. Don’t pay too much attention to the folks giving you a hard time. They do this anytime someone attempts to think "outside the box". And suggesting something other than a pharmaceutical approach (to better health) is definitely thinking outside the box!
Hmmm, colloidal silver is a pharmaceutical. In fact silver compounds have been used to prevent infections in burn patients for years. The obvious problem with using it to treat the pneumonic anthrax is that you can’t get it where you need it; i.e. in the aveola of your lungs, nor would having metal deep in the fine structures of your lungs probably be good for you in the long term either no matter how non-toxic it was. Silver compounds could probably treat ’sinus anthrax’ or ‘topical anthrax’ – but neither of those are very life-threatening situations. Many, many people want to be informed. Many are curious and want to know what is available and they want to make their own decisions. How well Colloidal silver works against anthrax….well, I can’t say…but I can say this….Compared to adverse reactions and side effects of other routinely prescribed drugs, it would be considered extremely safe. I’ve used it and had no complaints what so ever.
Yes, it probably is harmless, but also probably not very effective against any form of anthrax worth being obsessed about. But then the whole anthrax thing isn’t worth being obsessed about anyway – you have a greater chance of winning the Powerball than you do of contracting anthrax in any form. Hardly something to spend more than 5 minutes of your life worrying about. — "It is the test of a good religion whether you can joke about it." G. K. Chesterton
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I propose a new acronym – YASH – Yet Another Shameless Huckster However, I have been using and making colloidal silver for 4 years now and I have found it to be of great benefit. I tried it for repeated sinus infections and it has worked very well.
Befiore you continue using it, look up ARGYRIA and consider going through life looking greyish blue. Tsu Dho Nimh A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
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continue using it, look up ARGYRIA and consider going through life looking greyish blue.
If I had to choose between that and the incredible pain that my sinuses used to give me, I would go for blue in a second. I believe this to be a myth. There is a great difference between Colloidal Silver and Silver Compounds. Arnold
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continue using it, look up ARGYRIA and consider going through life looking greyish blue. If I had to choose between that and the incredible pain that my sinuses used to give me, I would go for blue in a second. I believe this to be a myth.
Your believing or not believing in argyria doesn’t make a difference. If believing made things so, we’d be awash in Easter Bunnies every spring, and fatmen in redsuits at Yule. There is a great difference between Colloidal Silver and Silver Compounds.
They all have silver, and silver build-up in the tissues, particularly in the skin, is called argyria. Tsu Dho Nimh A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
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What is silver water or colloidal silver?
<usual nonsensical claims about CS excised Kip…….Thanks for the information….There are many here who will appreciate being able to investigate this further…. After all that’s what this forum is all about. Don’t pay too much attention to the folks giving you a hard time. They do this anytime someone attempts to think "outside the box". And suggesting something other than a pharmaceutical approach (to better health) is definitely thinking outside the box!
Hey Cher, how come an antibiotic is a "pharmaceutical approach," but silver isn’t? It’s not like one is more "natural" than the other. Meanwhile, you can save the smears about how someone opposed to the idea of CS (for example) is a blinkered fool who won’t "think outside the box." Did it ever occur to you that maybe some of the people here have already researched CS, and the claims made for it, and discovered that it was crap? No, that wouldn’t cross your mind, would it? After all, you already use the stuff, and you are clearly convinced that you are a wildly innovative thinker. You obviously know little about colloidal silver, but because of Kip’s impassioned claims about it, you’re at least 90% of the way to being convinced that it’s wonderful. Don’t do any research or anything — it might burst your bubble. — David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders."
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Aloe Vera (see website of "Aloe Vera Studies Organization) does the same thing – and is actually beneficial when taken internally (indeed, is beneficial) as a juice. As to anthrax, how sad to abuse public fear for personal profit. I thought obviously-for-personal-profit postings like Kip’s weren’t allowed on newsgroups. – David
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is silver water or colloidal silver? Colloidal Silver is a solution of extremely fine sub microscopic particles (.015 – .005 microns) of pure silver suspended in water by a positive electric charge on each particle. The particles remain suspended throughout the solution because these positive charged particles repel each other with a greater force than gravity can exert upon. A powerful germicidal, silver is an exceptional metal in that it is non-toxic to the human body, but lethal to over 650 disease causing bacteria, viruses, fungi, parasites, and molds; while conventional pharmaceutical antibiotics are typically effective against only 6 or 7 types of bacteria. Some new strains of bacteria classified as MDR (Multiple Drug Resistant) have proven to be resistant to all pharmaceutical antibiotics, but not to colloidal silver due to different germicidal mechanisms of deactivation. A simple mineral called Colloidal Silver is reported to be effective in killing this bacteria even in very weak strengths! In an article written by Ward Dean MD October 2001 Vitamin Research News he states Silver in both liquid and airborne-aerosol has been known since 1887 to be extremely toxic to Anthrax spores. He goes on to say although there is no clearly defined dosage, but as safe as Silver is that it would be wise to err on the higher use side, and that there are no known pathogens which have demonstrated resistance to Silver. In the same issue another author states that colloidal silver has caused remission in both Hepatitis C and HIV Virus. Germs are often killed that are antibiotic resistant. Now that anthrax is showing up in the mail how will any of us know we are even infected? We can’t take antibiotics such as Doxycycline ahead of time to be prepared, but you can take colloidal silver safely each day and have it in your system in case you are infected without your knowledge. And that way it can be killing the anthrax right away, and of course other antibiotics or cures could also follow it up, if you found out you were infected. We must prepare ourselves, as there is only so much the government can do for us. In the Journal of Longevity, Medical Doctor Larry Doss wrote an article" Homeopathic Approach Kills More Than 650 Types of Germs," traditional mineral can eliminate internal and external bacteria. Infectious diseases are the third leading cause of death in the United States, but even worse that 150,000 people die every year from taking medications as prescribed (Tamkins 1997). He also states that silver taken orally can fight off a variety of bacteria and viruses. Dr. Henry Crooke reports concluded that there wasn’t any known microbe that could survive after silver was used (Duarte 1997). I taks 1-2 ounces daily. I cannot say if it will be 100% effective against anthrax, but there is no downside risk FOR MORE INFO CONTACT ME AT WWW.CUSTOMPROFILE.COM/HEALTHISWEALTH
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I propose a new acronym – YASH – Yet Another Shameless Huckster However, I have been using and making colloidal silver for 4 years now and I have found it to be of great benefit. I tried it for repeated sinus infections and it has worked very well. Kristofer, I don’t understand the significance of the info at http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org/vtlrefab.htm I would be grateful if you would expound on this. Thanks in Advance Arnold – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No downside risk? CHeck this out: http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org/vtlrefab.htm — _o Kristofer Dale, _ <,_ ragged individualist, _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large… p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is silver water or colloidal silver? Colloidal Silver is a solution of extremely fine sub microscopic particles (.015 – .005 microns) of pure silver suspended in water by a positive electric charge on each particle. The particles remain suspended throughout the solution because these positive charged particles repel each other with a greater force than gravity can exert upon. A powerful germicidal, silver is an exceptional metal in that it is non-toxic to the human body, but lethal to over 650 disease causing bacteria, viruses, fungi, parasites, and molds; while conventional pharmaceutical antibiotics are typically effective against only 6 or 7 types of bacteria. Some new strains of bacteria classified as MDR (Multiple Drug Resistant) have proven to be resistant to all pharmaceutical antibiotics, but not to colloidal silver due to different germicidal mechanisms of deactivation. A simple mineral called Colloidal Silver is reported to be effective in killing this bacteria even in very weak strengths! In an article written by Ward Dean MD October 2001 Vitamin Research News he states Silver in both liquid and airborne-aerosol has been known since 1887 to be extremely toxic to Anthrax spores. He goes on to say although there is no clearly defined dosage, but as safe as Silver is that it would be wise to err on the higher use side, and that there are no known pathogens which have demonstrated resistance to Silver. In the same issue another author states that colloidal silver has caused remission in both Hepatitis C and HIV Virus. Germs are often killed that are antibiotic resistant. Now that anthrax is showing up in the mail how will any of us know we are even infected? We can’t take antibiotics such as Doxycycline ahead of time to be prepared, but you can take colloidal silver safely each day and have it in your system in case you are infected without your knowledge. And that way it can be killing the anthrax right away, and of course other antibiotics or cures could also follow it up, if you found out you were infected. We must prepare ourselves, as there is only so much the government can do for us. In the Journal of Longevity, Medical Doctor Larry Doss wrote an article" Homeopathic Approach Kills More Than 650 Types of Germs," traditional mineral can eliminate internal and external bacteria. Infectious diseases are the third leading cause of death in the United States, but even worse that 150,000 people die every year from taking medications as prescribed (Tamkins 1997). He also states that silver taken orally can fight off a variety of bacteria and viruses. Dr. Henry Crooke reports concluded that there wasn’t any known microbe that could survive after silver was used (Duarte 1997). I taks 1-2 ounces daily. I cannot say if it will be 100% effective against anthrax, but there is no downside risk
Kip…….Thanks for the information….There are many here who will appreciate being able to investigate this further…. After all that’s what this forum is all about. Don’t pay too much attention to the folks giving you a hard time. They do this anytime someone attempts to think "outside the box". And suggesting something other than a pharmaceutical approach (to better health) is definitely thinking outside the box! Many, many people want to be informed. Many are curious and want to know what is available and they want to make their own decisions. How well Colloidal silver works against anthrax….well, I can’t say…but I can say this….Compared to adverse reactions and side effects of other routinely prescribed drugs, it would be considered extremely safe. I’ve used it and had no complaints what so ever. Thanks again for links! Let Freedom Ring! o/ God Bless America
