Category: Tourette Syndrome

Peace at Last….

Question:

> I’m so sorry for your loss, Jo. > — > Christie

Thank you, Christie…. Jo

Response:

My friend Mikey expired last night. I know he’s finally at peace….and that’s all I ever wanted for him. I am doing fine, really. I am very calm and also feel a sense of peace. Thanks to those of you who expressed warm thoughts and showed how much you care. Jo

Response:

Jo Cohen wrote: > My friend Mikey expired last night. > I know he’s finally at peace….and that’s all I ever wanted for him. > I am doing fine, really. I am very calm and also feel a sense of > peace. > Thanks to those of you who expressed warm thoughts and showed how much > you care. > Jo

{{{ hugs }}} Please remember to take special care of yourself in the coming months … — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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"TSNW" <t…@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:41502608.31DE80A8@optonline.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jo Cohen wrote: > > My friend Mikey expired last night. > > I know he’s finally at peace….and that’s all I ever wanted for him. > > I am doing fine, really. I am very calm and also feel a sense of > > peace. > > Thanks to those of you who expressed warm thoughts and showed how much > > you care. > > Jo > {{{ hugs }}} > Please remember to take special care of yourself in the coming months … > — > Tourette Syndrome – Now What? > http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

I will…thanks. It also happens to be the 2nd anniversary of my friend Corey’s death, as well as his 50th birthday. Mikey had just turned 50 also….. Jo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

Response:

Lots of hugs, Jo.  Lots of tissue, too. KC "Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:8cCdnXwQJfjCis3cRVn-jA@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My friend Mikey expired last night. > I know he’s finally at peace….and that’s all I ever wanted for him. > I am doing fine, really. I am very calm and also feel a sense of > peace. > Thanks to those of you who expressed warm thoughts and showed how much > you care. > Jo

Response:

"Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:8cCdnXwQJfjCis3cRVn-jA@comcast.com… > My friend Mikey expired last night. > I know he’s finally at peace….and that’s all I ever wanted for him. > I am doing fine, really. I am very calm and also feel a sense of > peace. > Thanks to those of you who expressed warm thoughts and showed how much > you care. > Jo

My thoughts are with you, Jo. Ubi caritas et amor Deus ibi est. Pablo

Response:

> My thoughts are with you, Jo. > Ubi caritas et amor Deus ibi est. > Pablo

Much charity and love, yes. Thank you, Pablo. I’m a little more emotional tonight than I was earlier today. Things are slowing down and sinking in. I went through tons of photos, and that brought both tears and smiles. Mixed in were photos of me and family when I was young, those of relatives long passed, and others through high school, college, cross-country trip, europe, many trips and times with a variety of friends from all phases and stages of my life. It was quite the trip down memory lane! I was looking for pics of Mike, and reminisced about fun times and places we went, things we did together, and some cute photos (like the one where he fell asleep on my bed in jeans and a dark blue tee-shirt, and I had some powder (or flour?) on my hands and left strategic hand prints on him, then took a photo. Also a really precious photo of him bathing my bichon in the kitchen sink, and both were soaking wet! Anyway, it’s a process, as you well know. Little things like the speed–dial on the phone, and that sudden fleeting urge to "Call mike" and then the painful reality…you know. Oh, by the way! I found my old friend Dennis – today of all days! He is indeed alive and well, although with a different type of cancer that docs had missed in Maine….we spoke for an hour tonight and it was great to catch up….Yet ANOTHER synchronistic event to be attuned to….I lose one old friend the same day I re-connect with another….. Be well, Jo

Response:

"Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:B9CdndqGA9ytn8zcRVn-jw@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > My thoughts are with you, Jo. > > Ubi caritas et amor Deus ibi est. > > Pablo > Much charity and love, yes. Thank you, Pablo. > I’m a little more emotional tonight than I was earlier today. Things > are slowing down and sinking in. > I went through tons of photos, and that brought both tears and smiles. > Mixed in were photos of me and family when I was young, those of > relatives long passed, and others through high school, college, > cross-country trip, europe, many trips and times with a variety of > friends from all phases and stages of my life. It was quite the trip > down memory lane! I was looking for pics of Mike, and reminisced about > fun times and places we went, things we did together, and some cute > photos (like the one where he fell asleep on my bed in jeans and a > dark blue tee-shirt, and I had some powder (or flour?) on my hands and > left strategic hand prints on him, then took a photo. Also a really > precious photo of him bathing my bichon in the kitchen sink, and both > were soaking wet! > Anyway, it’s a process, as you well know. Little things like the > speed–dial on the phone, and that sudden fleeting urge to "Call mike" > and then the painful reality…you know.

For me, it is in the mornings when I first wake up and remember, "Oh yeah…." > Oh, by the way! I found my old friend Dennis – today of all days! He > is indeed alive and well, although with a different type of cancer > that docs had missed in Maine….we spoke for an hour tonight and it > was great to catch up….Yet ANOTHER synchronistic event to be attuned > to….I lose one old friend the same day I re-connect with > another…..

Funny how that cosmos works. > Be well,

You too! Pablo

Response:

Cybertropical

Question:

Hi.  It’s me. I have become a cybertropical depression.  I am cyberdepressed.  I will be cybertropically happy one day.  I will grow strong and I will be named Blurt.  I want to grow up to be a cyberhurricane. SEVERE STORM WATCH: The Domain Wheather Burough has issued a Severe Cyberstorm Watch for counties in alt.s* thru alt.z*

Response:

"Hurricane Blurt"  wrote > Hi.  It’s me. > I have become a cybertropical depression.  I am cyberdepressed.  I > will be cybertropically happy one day.  I will grow strong and I will > be named Blurt.  I want to grow up to be a cyberhurricane. > SEVERE STORM WATCH: > The Domain Wheather Burough has issued a Severe Cyberstorm Watch for > counties in alt.s* thru alt.z*

Are you currently spinning in a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction?

Response:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:39:39 +1000, in article <414f5…@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, "Lara" <kbu…@tpg.com.au> wrote: >"Hurricane Blurt"  wrote >> SEVERE STORM WATCH: >> The Domain Wheather Burough has issued a Severe Cyberstorm Watch for >> counties in alt.s* thru alt.z* >Are you currently spinning in a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction?

I am rotating perpendicular(?) to both. SEVERE STORM WATCH: The Domain Weather Bureau has issued a Cybertropical Storm Warning for groups in alt.support.* and surrounding counties.  Tropical Storm Blurt is on a path to make textfall somewhere along a line from alt.radio.talk.dr-laura to alt.toys.furby.  Blurb gusts of up to 70 wpm have been reported as the storm continues to increase in intensity.  Stay tuned for the latest reports.

Response:

Hurricane Blurt <blurtdurtw…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message <news:thduk0lm8v3vi2qgvbfrciq6on9qj02its@4ax.com>… > Hi.  It’s me. > I have become a cybertropical depression.  I am cyberdepressed.  I > will be cybertropically happy one day.  I will grow strong and I will > be named Blurt.  I want to grow up to be a cyberhurricane. > SEVERE STORM WATCH: > The Domain Wheather Burough has issued a Severe Cyberstorm Watch for > counties in alt.s* thru alt.z*

Dear Hurricane Blurt, I know you will grow up to be a strong and happy hurricane, wafting your silliness and wisdom across the cyberworld. Please do not let your violent girlfriend depress you too long. She is not worth it. xoxoxo Sara Sera

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In article <kk8vk0dptad0kn694k01e02de9nsnr3…@4ax.com>, Hurricane Blurt wrote: >On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:39:39 +1000, in article ><414f5…@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, "Lara" <kbu…@tpg.com.au> wrote: >>Are you currently spinning in a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction? >I am rotating perpendicular(?) to both.

on a perpendicular axis to the axis of either of the two. (?) on an axis perpendicular to the plane the two that you mention lie on. (?) My apologies to the words "axis" and "perpendicular" and to the planet earth if I’ve misused them anywhere in those responses.  I’m not sure if I should speak of an axis as though it were merely a line, although I think that’s ok, and I think maybe intersecting is part of the litmus test for perpendicularity.  I think I might’ve been neglectful to planet earth and it’s spherical surface, though. Blurt

Response:

In article <3ds4l0d1269fg8vqt7a3j22au931o46…@4ax.com>, Hurricane Blurt wrote: >In article <kk8vk0dptad0kn694k01e02de9nsnr3…@4ax.com>, >Hurricane Blurt wrote:

"HURRICANE" BLURT DOWNGRADED AND REDUCED TO TALKING TO HIMSELF! alt.support.*  CyberTV Storm Center Thursday, September 23, 2004 The cyberstorm formerly known as ‘Tropical Blurt’ was stripped of his status as well as his name, when it was discovered that the blurbmeter readings were fed into a buggy program that was blurping out numbers as words per minute, when they were supposed to represent blurbs per week.  We’ll keep an eye on this minor nuisance of a storm in case he gets even slower moving and takes a long time passing through. Now stand by for a press conference in which hopefully we’ll hear an apology from the Domain Weather Bureau…

Response:

Hurricane Blurt wrote: > In article <3ds4l0d1269fg8vqt7a3j22au931o46…@4ax.com>, > Hurricane Blurt wrote: > >In article <kk8vk0dptad0kn694k01e02de9nsnr3…@4ax.com>, > >Hurricane Blurt wrote: > "HURRICANE" BLURT DOWNGRADED AND REDUCED TO TALKING TO HIMSELF!

This is an answer, so you can talk to me. But I don’t speak hurricane — it appears to require more creativity than I’m capable of. (Besides, I didn’t know how to read the cybertropical "depression" on the humor scale :-) ) — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

Response:

"Hurricane Blurt" <blurtdurtw…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

news:kk8vk0dptad0kn694k01e02de9nsnr311p@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:39:39 +1000, in article > <414f5…@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, "Lara" <kbu…@tpg.com.au> wrote: >>"Hurricane Blurt"  wrote >>> SEVERE STORM WATCH: >>> The Domain Wheather Burough has issued a Severe Cyberstorm Watch for >>> counties in alt.s* thru alt.z* >>Are you currently spinning in a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction? > I am rotating perpendicular(?) to both. > SEVERE STORM WATCH: > The Domain Weather Bureau has issued a Cybertropical Storm Warning for > groups in alt.support.* and surrounding counties.  Tropical Storm > Blurt is on a path to make textfall somewhere along a line from > alt.radio.talk.dr-laura to alt.toys.furby.  Blurb gusts of up to 70 > wpm have been reported as the storm continues to increase in > intensity.  Stay tuned for the latest reports.

Is there any similarity between tracking cyberstorms and stalking them?

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In article <qyy4d.12004$n16.3…@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Sandy L wrote: >"Hurricane Blurt" <blurtdurtw…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >news:kk8vk0dptad0kn694k01e02de9nsnr311p@4ax.com… >> Tropical Storm >> Blurt is on a path to make textfall somewhere along a line from >> alt.radio.talk.dr-laura to alt.toys.furby.  Blurb gusts of up to 70 >> wpm have been reported as the storm continues to increase in >> intensity.  Stay tuned for the latest reports. >Is there any similarity between tracking cyberstorms and stalking them?

I’m afraid it’s more like a dog chasing his own tail until he’s pooped out and dizzy and plops down and sleeps it off. Blurt

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In article <3ds4l0d1269fg8vqt7a3j22au931o46…@4ax.com>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hurricane Blurt wrote: >In article <kk8vk0dptad0kn694k01e02de9nsnr3…@4ax.com>, >Hurricane Blurt wrote: >>On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:39:39 +1000, in article >><414f5…@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, "Lara" <kbu…@tpg.com.au> wrote: >>>Are you currently spinning in a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction? >>I am rotating perpendicular(?) to both. >on a perpendicular axis to the axis of either of the two. (?) >on an axis perpendicular to the plane the two that you mention lie on. >(?) >My apologies to the words "axis" and "perpendicular" and to the planet >earth if I’ve misused them anywhere in those responses.  I’m not sure >if I should speak of an axis as though it were merely a line, although >I think that’s ok, and I think maybe intersecting is part of the >litmus test for perpendicularity.  I think I might’ve been neglectful >to planet earth and it’s spherical surface, though.

No, there was no neglect of earth’s curvature, you pathetic excuse of a cyberstorm. Blurt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Blurt

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Exciting News!

Question:

This has been an exciting morning for us!  My daughter just called with great news…she got elected Freshman Homecoming Princess!  She was crying and laughing, just as tickled as can be.  I love it when my kids are this happy! Kim

Response:

"AuntKim2004" <auntkim2…@aol.comremove> wrote in message

news:20040920132741.08263.00001108@mb-m06.aol.com… > This has been an exciting morning for us!  My daughter just called with great > news…she got elected Freshman Homecoming Princess!  She was crying and > laughing, just as tickled as can be.  I love it when my kids are this happy! > Kim

Congratulations!!! You must be a proud mom!! — Joanne mom to Mat the Amazing!

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auntkim2…@aol.comremove (AuntKim2004) wrote in message <news:20040920132741.08263.00001108@mb-m06.aol.com>… > This has been an exciting morning for us!  My daughter just called with great > news…she got elected Freshman Homecoming Princess!  She was crying and > laughing, just as tickled as can be.  I love it when my kids are this happy! > Kim

Yahooooo! That is SO totally cool, Mom, dude. xoxoxo Sara

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AuntKim2004 wrote: > This has been an exciting morning for us!  My daughter just called with great > news…she got elected Freshman Homecoming Princess!  She was crying and > laughing, just as tickled as can be.  I love it when my kids are this happy! > Kim

That is way cool, Kim.  Enjoy the moment.  Congratulations !!! ah, the dress .. the escort … the pictures … Remind her that she’ll be looking at those pictures years from now (and so will everyone else in the yearbook!), and she doesn’t want to end up at 40 asking herself "what was I thinking?" with an army green dress. — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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"AuntKim2004" <auntkim2…@aol.comremove> wrote in message

news:20040920132741.08263.00001108@mb-m06.aol.com… > This has been an exciting morning for us!  My daughter just called with great > news…she got elected Freshman Homecoming Princess!  She was crying and > laughing, just as tickled as can be.  I love it when my kids are this happy! > Kim

YAY! Please tell her how happy I am for her (and you!) Jo

Response:

TSNW <t…@optonline.net> wrote  she doesn’t want to end up at 40 asking > herself "what was I thinking?" with an army green dress.

Um, itsnew, is there something you want to tell us? ;-) Sara

Response:

Thanks everyone for the congratulations!   She sure has come a long way socially…from being the most teased in 4th grade, to homecoming princess in 9th grade.   She is faced with a difficult decision though.  When the princesses are escorted to the court during the ceremonies, most girls are going to be arm in arm with their father.  Her father isn’t here, so she has to choose between her uncle and her grandfather.  They have both already expressed a desire to accompany her.  My brother is closer to her age, really cute, and has more recent experience with homecomings…he is still the same high energy, happy go lucky type guy that he was in high school 5 years ago.  But my dad is the sentimental type and would view this as an honorable thing.   BTW, when you all were in high school, did princesses/queens have to buy 2 dresses…one for the ceremony during the game and the other for the dance?   Kim

Response:

AuntKim2004 wrote: > She is faced with a difficult decision though.  When the princesses are > escorted to the court during the ceremonies, most girls are going to be arm in > arm with their father.  Her father isn’t here, so she has to choose between her > uncle and her grandfather.  They have both already expressed a desire to > accompany her.  My brother is closer to her age, really cute, and has more > recent experience with homecomings…he is still the same high energy, happy go > lucky type guy that he was in high school 5 years ago.  But my dad is the > sentimental type and would view this as an honorable thing.

I vote for your dad.  Can’t explain it … just do.  Don’t feel like having some her own age is such a priority, I guess ?  And she may not have your dad around when she’s older and enjoying those pics, while she may still have your brother. I guess, since I’ve been reviewing a lot of old family pics lately, I’m thinking of what she will want in the pics when she’s an almost old lady :-) )) > BTW, when you all were in high school, did princesses/queens have to buy 2 > dresses…one for the ceremony during the game and the other for the dance?

Only if you wanted … if you wanted to be one of the only girls at the dance with a long dress on, you could wear it, but some might want to change.  Especially if it’s army green :-) ) — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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auntkim2…@aol.comremove (AuntKim2004) wrote > BTW, when you all were in high school, did princesses/queens have to buy 2 > dresses…one for the ceremony during the game and the other for the dance?   > Kim

Maybe itsnew still has her army green one that you could borrow? Sara

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Sara wrote: > auntkim2…@aol.comremove (AuntKim2004) wrote > > BTW, when you all were in high school, did princesses/queens have to buy 2 > > dresses…one for the ceremony during the game and the other for the dance? > > Kim > Maybe itsnew still has her army green one that you could borrow?

Don’t go there unless you want to spend time with an attorney in my mother’s attic <g> !!! — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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> BTW, when you all were in high school, did princesses/queens > have to buy 2 dresses…one for the ceremony during the game > and the other for the dance?  

      I went through the Brit system many years ago and we didn’t have       any of this social stuff.  Well, that plus it was a boys’ school       so we definitely didn’t have either Homecoming or Princesses :-) Derek

Response:

TSNW <t…@optonline.net> wrote in message <news:4150B68B.18FB0AD7@optonline.net>… > Sara wrote: > > auntkim2…@aol.comremove (AuntKim2004) wrote > > > BTW, when you all were in high school, did princesses/queens have to buy 2 > > > dresses…one for the ceremony during the game and the other for the dance? > > > Kim > > Maybe itsnew still has her army green one that you could borrow? > Don’t go there unless you want to spend time with an attorney in my mother’s > attic <g> !!!

Ok, I’m not sure if you’re threatening to sue me for libel or if your sister is going to fight me for the dress.

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o…@astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills) wrote in message <news:ciqfmp$1ec$1@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>… > > BTW, when you all were in high school, did princesses/queens > > have to buy 2 dresses…one for the ceremony during the game > > and the other for the dance?   >       I went through the Brit system many years ago and we didn’t have >       any of this social stuff.  Well, that plus it was a boys’ school >       so we definitely didn’t have either Homecoming or Princesses :-) > Derek

But what about the DRESSES, Derek, did you wear ONE or TWO??? ;-) Sara

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sara wrote: > TSNW <t…@optonline.net> wrote in message <news:4150B68B.18FB0AD7@optonline.net>… > > Sara wrote: > > > auntkim2…@aol.comremove (AuntKim2004) wrote > > > > BTW, when you all were in high school, did princesses/queens have to buy 2 > > > > dresses…one for the ceremony during the game and the other for the dance? > > > > Kim > > > Maybe itsnew still has her army green one that you could borrow? > > Don’t go there unless you want to spend time with an attorney in my mother’s > > attic <g> !!! > Ok, I’m not sure if you’re threatening to sue me for libel or if your > sister is going to fight me for the dress.

You didn’t even mention the spiders :-) — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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>       so we definitely didn’t have either Homecoming or Princesses :-) >> Derek >But what about the DRESSES, Derek, did you wear ONE or TWO???

      That would be telling.  I looked a little picture,       with army boots too. Derek

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -TSNW <t…@optonline.net> wrote in message <news:41514E61.B93FD2DB@optonline.net>… > Sara wrote: > > TSNW <t…@optonline.net> wrote in message <news:4150B68B.18FB0AD7@optonline.net>… > > > Sara wrote: > > > > auntkim2…@aol.comremove (AuntKim2004) wrote > > > > > BTW, when you all were in high school, did princesses/queens have to buy 2 > > > > > dresses…one for the ceremony during the game and the other for the dance? > > > > > Kim > > > > Maybe itsnew still has her army green one that you could borrow? > > > Don’t go there unless you want to spend time with an attorney in my mother’s > > > attic <g> !!! > > Ok, I’m not sure if you’re threatening to sue me for libel or if your > > sister is going to fight me for the dress. > You didn’t even mention the spiders :-)

I thought it was understood that I will be killing any spiders that I see. Except I believe I have pledged to Pablo that I will not kill spiders in the East, so maybe not. Anyway, when stacked up against the specter of an army green prom dress, spiders pale in comparison. Sara

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>From: TSN >I vote for your dad.  Can’t explain it … just do.

So did she.  She asked him last night and he accepted.  My brother was happy to be part of her "camera crew." >Only if you wanted … if you wanted to be one of the only girls at the dance >with >a long dress on, you could wear it, but some might want to change. >Especially if >it’s army green :-) )

Well, we bought another dress.  Someone at school told her it would be disrespectful of a princess to wear a full length gown to the dance itself since the queen is the only one required by school "law" to do so.  But it is NOT army green. Kim

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AuntKim2004 wrote: > >From: TSN > >I vote for your dad.  Can’t explain it … just do. > So did she.  She asked him last night and he accepted.  My brother was happy to > be part of her "camera crew."

Wonderful! >  But it is NOT army green.

Congrats <g> ! I’ve saved the future of the princess in pictures :-) ) — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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"Sara" <chefs…@cox.net> wrote in message

news:e8c834be.0409221301.296dab93@posting.google.com… > TSNW <t…@optonline.net> wrote in message

<news:41514E61.B93FD2DB@optonline.net>… > > Sara wrote: > > > TSNW <t…@optonline.net> wrote in message

<news:4150B68B.18FB0AD7@optonline.net>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > Sara wrote: > > > > > auntkim2…@aol.comremove (AuntKim2004) wrote > > > > > > BTW, when you all were in high school, did princesses/queens have to buy 2 > > > > > > dresses…one for the ceremony during the game and the other for the dance? > > > > > > Kim > > > > > Maybe itsnew still has her army green one that you could borrow? > > > > Don’t go there unless you want to spend time with an attorney in my mother’s > > > > attic <g> !!! > > > Ok, I’m not sure if you’re threatening to sue me for libel or if your > > > sister is going to fight me for the dress. > > You didn’t even mention the spiders :-) > I thought it was understood that I will be killing any spiders that I > see. Except I believe I have pledged to Pablo that I will not kill > spiders in the East, so maybe not. Anyway, when stacked up against the > specter of an army green prom dress, spiders pale in comparison.

I am not very fashion-aware.  Army green is a bad color for a prom dress? And yes, this is to confirm that you have special exemption to kill spiders where you live.  Once I heard those buggers bite, you got the okay.  I am talking more about indoor spiders…the harmless ones. I mean, they are only trying to live. Pablo

Response:

Pablo wrote: > I am not very fashion-aware.  Army green is a bad color for a prom dress?

Only a marine looks good in army green. It was a ’60s – ’70s thing that doesn’t translate well in pics today. I suggest a basic, classic color for Kim’s daughter. — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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"TSN" <t…@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:41580244.4C0AB117@optonline.net… > Pablo wrote: > > I am not very fashion-aware.  Army green is a bad color for a prom dress? > Only a marine looks good in army green. > It was a ’60s – ’70s thing that doesn’t translate well in pics today. > I suggest a basic, classic color for Kim’s daughter.

Something muted…like orange or something. Pablo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Tourette Syndrome – Now What? > http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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Newsreaders/newsservers for Sara

Question:

John Morten Malerbakken wrote: > You may also want to look at Opera. It is a good alternative too.

Thanks, JMM … but I echo Sara’s sentiments on this … it’s hard to get motivated … once I get something set up, inertia takes over … I know that I should … it usually takes a crisis to get me moving, though. — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

Response:

> I receive dozens of virii a week (most of them to the AS-listowner > address). Most of them are caught by Norton, and those that aren’t > don’t get automatically activated by Mozilla, as they would be in > Outluck, so I have a chance to delete them.

The risk of having something "automatically activated" in Outlook has been significantly reduced through the last couple of updates and also the security releases from MS. I do not see this as a very significant threat to most users. JMM (who use a lot of Windows, and a lot of Linux too)

Response:

John Morten Malerbakken wrote: > see to it that it updates itself automagically

Can you explain to us how to get magic on our computers? <g> — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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"Sara" <chefs…@cox.net> wrote in message

news:e8c834be.0409172251.5ac1ece5@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Karen <krez~56remove-this-and-t…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > <news:IGL2d.5033$mb6.4365@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>… >> Sara wrote: >> > Ok, I have Outlook on my computer, which I’m assuming is what you mean >> > by Outluck. >> > Now what? >> Get rid of it and use something that is less vulnerable to hackers and >> viruses (virii?) :-) . >> Karen R. > But I am having no problems with hackers and virii. Why, oh why must > life in computing be so difficult? > Sara

It does not have to. Due to compatibility issues at work I use MS Outlook as my main tool for mail, and with that comes MS Outlook Express as the news reader. So far I have never had problems with virus. OK, I have a Firewall running on an old machine here (www.smoothwall.org) and recommend anyone who are permanently connected to the network (DSL or Cable service) to install something similar. The minimum should be a router with NAT on it. That makes it more difficult for people to gain direct access to your machine(s). As long as you have a recognised Anti-virus program (I use Norton from Symantec www.symantec.com) and see to it that it updates itself automagically the machine will be protected from viruses. Also if they should happen to be from a news group. (Very few posts executable files as appendixes to their posts on AST, not sure I have even seen it.) In addition to that you should set your PC to automatically look for and update the operating system. Even if it can be said that MS has left holes all over, they are also quite good at patching them up as they are reported. So, it is a good thing that they have an automatic update functions which takes care of the worries for you. These are the basic protective steps that everybody should take. Then there are some maybe more related to convenience. Personnally I find that the program "Ad-aware" is useful. It blocks a lot of the spyware. Another program is "Spybot Search&Destroy". It is not at all difficult, and once you have set things up, they more or less run themselves. JMM PS. Sara, if you need a more personalised guiding with your newsreader, drop me a note through mail: John dot Morten at malerbakken dot com.

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>> Mozilla — www.mozilla.org — takes up where Netscape left off. I use >> the mail reader and browser. The browser works for most sites, except >> ones where MSN has has convinced website designers to use their >> software and there are kickers that keep other browsers from working. >> It is free, and pretty self explanatory. I can answer any questions >> you have about using the newsreader. >> Karen R. > I may be asking you myself, Karen, if I find time to ditch Netscape — > I’ve kind of stuck with them by inertia. > What kind of error message or screen do you get when mozilla encounters an > MSN website designer?

You may also want to look at Opera. It is a good alternative too. JMM

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Jodi wrote: > At the top there is > a search bar and type in alt.support.tourettes

<oops> … drop that last "s" — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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Sara wrote: > But I am having no problems with hackers and virii. Why, oh why must > life in computing be so difficult?

I receive dozens of virii a week (most of them to the AS-listowner address). Most of them are caught by Norton, and those that aren’t don’t get automatically activated by Mozilla, as they would be in Outluck, so I have a chance to delete them. You probably wouldn’t be aware that hackers had invaded your computer unless your data showed up somewhere it wasn’t supposed to. If you have an always-on connection such as DSL or cable you need at least 2 firewalls. Randall has discussed this in the past. I’ve got a firewall router, which was ~$30 at the time (probably less now, since it isn’t wireless), and a software firewall. Between the two of them, hacker intrusions are blocked. Online computing is difficult because there are Very Bad People out there, and Micro$oft makes it very easy to exploit the security holes in their software. Karen R.

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Sara wrote: > Tonight I had to give up working to go to a double therapy appointment > with my son. This is typical of what I’ve done over the past three > years.

I’m sorry, Sara … > My income is down, down, down from what it was three years ago. > Living in Orange County, CA is not easy with a less-than-half income. > I’m not sure how much time I should, or can, continue to devote to > ast. Is it useful to me? Who knows? I have made friends here. And > enemies, apparently.

I think you’re doing fine on the friendship scale, if that helps any. — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Jodi" <hellofromj…@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message <news:10knov71979ln0c@corp.supernews.com>… > > Sara wrote: >  > Ok, I have Outlook on my computer, which I’m assuming is what you mean by >  Outluck. > > Now what? > Is it Outlook or Outlook Express?  If it is Outlook Express go to : > Tools > Accounts > click on the news tab > and then Add (which is on the R) Select news in the menu > This starts a wizard > The first page fill in Sara or whatever name you want displayed > Click Next> > Enter your email address. > Click Next> > You may have to call Cox to get their server name, this has to be entered > here.  Mine is news.charter.net  You might want to try news.cox.net, i don’t > know if that is a standard thing or not. > Click next>  Exit wizard > Under your local folder you will now see one that says(mine says) > news.charter.net.  Double click on that and select ngs.  At the top there is > a search bar and type in alt.support.tourettes and it will take you to ast. > It will ask if you want to subscribe or just "go there".  If you subscribe > it will then list it under your newsgroup folder. > Its alot easier then it sounds. > After you have everything set up go to Tools > Options to set up your > preferences.

Thanks, I’ll give it a try. I wish my cable company had a different name. Sara

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"Sara" <chefs…@cox.net> wrote in message

news:e8c834be.0409172248.293d2441@posting.google.com… TSNW <t…@optonline.net> wrote >It may take some work to get you going, but it will end up being a real > timesaver in the long run.

Ah, it will come down to a question of motivation. How much time am I willing to invest in this? How much do I truly need this? Not much, I’m thinking. I will ponder this for awhile. And read some more posts about how to do it. Tonight I had to give up working to go to a double therapy appointment with my son. This is typical of what I’ve done over the past three years. My income is down, down, down from what it was three years ago. Living in Orange County, CA is not easy with a less-than-half income. I’m not sure how much time I should, or can, continue to devote to ast. Is it useful to me? Who knows? I have made friends here. And enemies, apparently. ———————————————— I hope my opinions casting things in the worse possible light as to how wrong I THINK it is to  indulge the cyberstalkers hasn’t made you feel like you made an enemy. I never hold  it against people who are suckered in by the cyberstalkers. How could I? I was SUCKERED in by them for a few months,  myself, once upon a time. —————————– everyone in the universe is a better instruction giver than me. But,  if no one else offers…I can help you set it up.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Agent" <nos…@nospam.com> wrote in message <news:1095494866.1GUZTObt3kizgkJTdE0Q+Q@teranews>… > "Sara" <chefs…@cox.net> wrote in message > news:e8c834be.0409172248.293d2441@posting.google.com… > TSNW <t…@optonline.net> wrote > >It may take some work to get you going, but it will end up being a >  real > > timesaver in the long run. > Ah, it will come down to a question of motivation. How much time am I > willing to invest in this? How much do I truly need this? Not much, > I’m thinking. I will ponder this for awhile. And read some more posts > about how to do it. > Tonight I had to give up working to go to a double therapy appointment > with my son. This is typical of what I’ve done over the past three > years. My income is down, down, down from what it was three years ago. > Living in Orange County, CA is not easy with a less-than-half income. > I’m not sure how much time I should, or can, continue to devote to > ast. Is it useful to me? Who knows? I have made friends here. And > enemies, apparently. > ———————————————— > I hope my opinions casting things in the worse possible light as to how > wrong I THINK it is to  indulge the cyberstalkers hasn’t made you feel like > you made an enemy. > I never hold  it against people who are suckered in by the cyberstalkers. > How could I? > I was SUCKERED in by them for a few months,  myself, once upon a time. > —————————– > everyone in the universe is a better instruction giver than me. > But,  if no one else offers…I can help you set it up.

Thanks, L, I don’t think of you as an enemy. And I appreciate the offer. Sara

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> Sara wrote:

 > Ok, I have Outlook on my computer, which I’m assuming is what you mean by Outluck.  > > Now what?

Is it Outlook or Outlook Express?  If it is Outlook Express go to : Tools > Accounts > click on the news tab and then Add (which is on the R) Select news in the menu This starts a wizard The first page fill in Sara or whatever name you want displayed Click Next> Enter your email address. Click Next> You may have to call Cox to get their server name, this has to be entered here.  Mine is news.charter.net  You might want to try news.cox.net, i don’t know if that is a standard thing or not. Click next>  Exit wizard Under your local folder you will now see one that says(mine says) news.charter.net.  Double click on that and select ngs.  At the top there is a search bar and type in alt.support.tourettes and it will take you to ast. It will ask if you want to subscribe or just "go there".  If you subscribe it will then list it under your newsgroup folder. Its alot easier then it sounds. After you have everything set up go to Tools > Options to set up your preferences.

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"NONITPlK" <cyberb…@aol.comNONITPlK> wrote in message

news:20040917112950.01009.00000994@mb-m06.aol.com… > >I thought someone had explained already ?  I’m sorry .. > No, NO ONE replied when I asked for this same information several months

back. Actually, JMM and i both talked to you about it.  You said you were thinking about going to cable isp but didn’t know how you would access the ngs.  I told you Outlook was easy and you said you  were already using the full version of Outlook at work but didn’t know how to access the ngs.  I told you i thought only Outlook Express  had the newsreader.   JMM then posted that he thought so also. If you do ever change to cable isp, they will set up Outlook for you and then setting up the ngs from there is easy.  Just ask and we can tell you when you are ready.  AOL and Outlook conflict though and you can’t do both. (at least that is what i found when i had aol, although it was long ago and things may have changed.) I guess that would have been easier to explain had i googled it, but i am tired and not in a googling mood. Jodi

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Top post — thanks, Karen — I’ll look into it ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Karen wrote: > TSNW wrote: > > I may be asking you myself, Karen, if I find time to ditch Netscape — > > I’ve kind of stuck with them by inertia. > > What kind of error message or screen do you get when mozilla encounters an > > MSN website designer? > It is usually high security sites — my HMO, and my bank, briefly. MSN > has convinced them to use their system as it is the ‘only one that is > secure’. Personally, I feel much better using a reader that doesn’t > need daily security updates to close the holes hackers keep finding in > their ’secure’ software. I use Opera when that happens, as it can > emulate Exploder, but without the security holes. When there is a > problem I’ll either get logged out, or the screen I am clicking on > simply won’t come up. > If you have been using Netscape you won’t have any trouble switching > to Mozilla. I switched when Netscape was bought out (by AOL?) and > started coming up with bugs that prevented me from doing the things I > had been able to do with it. The interface is very similar — it just > works :-) . > Karen R.

– Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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TSNW <t…@optonline.net> wrote >It may take some work to get you going, but it will end up being a real > timesaver in the long run.

Ah, it will come down to a question of motivation. How much time am I willing to invest in this? How much do I truly need this? Not much, I’m thinking. I will ponder this for awhile. And read some more posts about how to do it. Tonight I had to give up working to go to a double therapy appointment with my son. This is typical of what I’ve done over the past three years. My income is down, down, down from what it was three years ago. Living in Orange County, CA is not easy with a less-than-half income. I’m not sure how much time I should, or can, continue to devote to ast. Is it useful to me? Who knows? I have made friends here. And enemies, apparently. Sara

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Karen <krez~56remove-this-and-t…@earthlink.net> wrote in message <news:IGL2d.5033$mb6.4365@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>… > Sara wrote: > > Ok, I have Outlook on my computer, which I’m assuming is what you mean by Outluck. > > Now what? > Get rid of it and use something that is less vulnerable to hackers and > viruses (virii?) :-) . > Karen R.

But I am having no problems with hackers and virii. Why, oh why must life in computing be so difficult? Sara

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Sara wrote: > Ok, I have Outlook on my computer, which I’m assuming is what you mean by Outluck. > Now what?

Get rid of it and use something that is less vulnerable to hackers and viruses (virii?) :-) . Karen R.

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TSNW wrote: > it.  On the other hand, Netscape — even though I’m happy with it — > is a dying breed, so you’ve got to make some choices first.

Mozilla — www.mozilla.org — takes up where Netscape left off. I use the mail reader and browser. The browser works for most sites, except ones where MSN has has convinced website designers to use their software and there are kickers that keep other browsers from working. It is free, and pretty self explanatory. I can answer any questions you have about using the newsreader. Karen R.

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Karen wrote: > TSNW wrote: > > it.  On the other hand, Netscape — even though I’m happy with it — > > is a dying breed, so you’ve got to make some choices first. > Mozilla — www.mozilla.org — takes up where Netscape left off. I use > the mail reader and browser. The browser works for most sites, except > ones where MSN has has convinced website designers to use their > software and there are kickers that keep other browsers from working. > It is free, and pretty self explanatory. I can answer any questions > you have about using the newsreader. > Karen R.

I may be asking you myself, Karen, if I find time to ditch Netscape — I’ve kind of stuck with them by inertia. What kind of error message or screen do you get when mozilla encounters an MSN website designer? — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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TSNW wrote: > I may be asking you myself, Karen, if I find time to ditch Netscape — > I’ve kind of stuck with them by inertia. > What kind of error message or screen do you get when mozilla encounters an > MSN website designer?

It is usually high security sites — my HMO, and my bank, briefly. MSN has convinced them to use their system as it is the ‘only one that is secure’. Personally, I feel much better using a reader that doesn’t need daily security updates to close the holes hackers keep finding in their ’secure’ software. I use Opera when that happens, as it can emulate Exploder, but without the security holes. When there is a problem I’ll either get logged out, or the screen I am clicking on simply won’t come up. If you have been using Netscape you won’t have any trouble switching to Mozilla. I switched when Netscape was bought out (by AOL?) and started coming up with bugs that prevented me from doing the things I had been able to do with it. The interface is very similar — it just works :-) . Karen R.

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cyberb…@aol.comNONITPlK (NONITPlK) wrote in message <news:20040917112950.01009.00000994@mb-m06.aol.com>… > >I thought someone had explained already ?  I’m sorry .. > No, NO ONE replied when I asked for this same information several months back.

That’s the way I remember it also. Because I was quite interested in the answer to the question, as I was leaving AOL. But no one ever answered the question. Sara

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sara wrote: > TSNW <t…@optonline.net> wrote in message <news:414AFF3A.848444@optonline.net>… > > Sara wrote: > > > If you would like to tell > > > me how to set up a newsreader, please do, I would love to learn > > > how. > > > NNP asked several months ago, but no one would help her, so I > > > haven’t > > > asked. > > I thought someone had explained already ?  I’m sorry … I thought I > > had already posted this, but maybe not?  If you decide to go with > > Netscape, I can help. But if you use Outluck or Agent, I don’t speak > > those languages … I really am having a deja vu here, as I thought > > that someone (JMM?) had already tried to help with Outluck, and that > > I had told Blurt that I could never figure out Agent ??  Anyway, it > > depends on which reader and server you decide to go with.  I’m very > > happy with cis.dfn.de as a newsserver and netscape as a newsreader > > … so I’ve started a new thread for this so that we can help you > > pick a server, reader, and then install them … each server and > > reader is different, and as much as some people like Agent (and you > > can get it for free), I can start it, but I can’t make it go, and I > > avoid Outluck because of all the negative things I’ve heard about > > it.  On the other hand, Netscape — even though I’m happy with it — > > is a dying breed, so you’ve got to make some choices first. > Ok, I have Outlook on my computer, which I’m assuming is what you mean by Outluck. > Now what? > Sara

If you want to use Outlook, I can’t help — I’ve never touched it — but I’m pretty sure that either JMM or Randall or a whole bunch of other people can.  Outluck is infamous for being oft-attacked by viruses. They are a couple of things I can explain though, in anticipation of them helping you set up Outlook as your newsreader. You need BOTH a newsserver and a newsreader. The newsserver is what brings the posts to your computer, and the newsreader is what you read, sort and  respond to them with. Comcast should have it’s own newsserver (now I’m sure someone pointed this out earlier, as there was a discussion as to whether it was east or west, and someone gave you the name of it) which you can subscribe to AFTER you set up the newsreader (Outlook). The deal with newsservers is how well they propogate posts and how long they retain posts and whether they miss posts. For example, in my case, optonline only keeps posts around for about 3 days, so it’s a total PITA. So, I subscribe to a free newsserver which I am VERY happy with, which used to be called cis.dfn.de, but is now called news.individual.net http://news.individual.net/ It retains posts for a VERY long time, and almost never ever misses a post. But, you need not subscribe to a newsserver until someone here explains to you how to set up Outlook as your newsreader, and where to type in the name of the newsserver. Once you’ve set up Outlook, then subscribe to individual.net as your newsserver.  On my reader (Netscape), I can set up more than one newserver, so I have both optonline and individual.net, so that in cae one of them acts up, I can easily check the other one. I’m sure this is as clear as mud — please let me know where you need help. Once you get a reader, you’ll see how easy it is to reference posts in many different ways — by date, by sender, by topic, etcetera … and that you can easily mark a thread unread to get to it later, and all sorts of timesaving things you can’t do on AOL.  It may take some work to get you going, but it will end up being a real timesaver in the long run. — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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Sara wrote: > If you would like to tell > me how to set up a newsreader, please do, I would love to learn > how. > NNP asked several months ago, but no one would help her, so I > haven’t > asked.

I thought someone had explained already ?  I’m sorry … I thought I had already posted this, but maybe not?  If you decide to go with Netscape, I can help. But if you use Outluck or Agent, I don’t speak those languages … I really am having a deja vu here, as I thought that someone (JMM?) had already tried to help with Outluck, and that I had told Blurt that I could never figure out Agent ??  Anyway, it depends on which reader and server you decide to go with.  I’m very happy with cis.dfn.de as a newsserver and netscape as a newsreader … so I’ve started a new thread for this so that we can help you pick a server, reader, and then install them … each server and reader is different, and as much as some people like Agent (and you can get it for free), I can start it, but I can’t make it go, and I avoid Outluck because of all the negative things I’ve heard about it.  On the other hand, Netscape — even though I’m happy with it — is a dying breed, so you’ve got to make some choices first. — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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>I thought someone had explained already ?  I’m sorry ..

No, NO ONE replied when I asked for this same information several months back.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -TSNW <t…@optonline.net> wrote in message <news:414AFF3A.848444@optonline.net>… > Sara wrote: > > If you would like to tell > > me how to set up a newsreader, please do, I would love to learn > > how. > > NNP asked several months ago, but no one would help her, so I > > haven’t > > asked. > I thought someone had explained already ?  I’m sorry … I thought I > had already posted this, but maybe not?  If you decide to go with > Netscape, I can help. But if you use Outluck or Agent, I don’t speak > those languages … I really am having a deja vu here, as I thought > that someone (JMM?) had already tried to help with Outluck, and that > I had told Blurt that I could never figure out Agent ??  Anyway, it > depends on which reader and server you decide to go with.  I’m very > happy with cis.dfn.de as a newsserver and netscape as a newsreader > … so I’ve started a new thread for this so that we can help you > pick a server, reader, and then install them … each server and > reader is different, and as much as some people like Agent (and you > can get it for free), I can start it, but I can’t make it go, and I > avoid Outluck because of all the negative things I’ve heard about > it.  On the other hand, Netscape — even though I’m happy with it — > is a dying breed, so you’ve got to make some choices first.

Ok, I have Outlook on my computer, which I’m assuming is what you mean by Outluck. Now what? Sara

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cant post this

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I just erased a post.  I wanted to share some good news about my daughter. But then I started to edit it, removing anything that could give a clue to who she was or where someone could find her.  And then realized there wasn’t much reason to post the news. After the last few months here, I want someone to tell me how to find all my old posts and erase them where ever they are archived. Have I left a trail?  I am certain that I have.  In the early days of my daughter’s dx, all I looked for was help, never realizing that such anger and malice could come to a suport group. So I will say that In the last couple of weeks my daughter has gotten some really really good news.  You will possibly hear about her.  Most people assume she can do these things because her tics have calmed, nothing could be further from the truth. still Inventing

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -inventing wrote: > I just erased a post.  I wanted to share some good news about my daughter. > But then I started to edit it, removing anything that could give a clue to > who she was or where someone could find her.  And then realized there wasn’t > much reason to post the news. > After the last few months here, I want someone to tell me how to find all my > old posts and erase them where ever they are archived. > Have I left a trail?  I am certain that I have.  In the early days of my > daughter’s dx, all I looked for was help, never realizing that such anger > and malice could come to a suport group. > So I will say that In the last couple of weeks my daughter has gotten some > really really good news.  You will possibly hear about her.  Most people > assume she can do these things because her tics have calmed, nothing could > be further from the truth. > still Inventing

I understand … it’s sad that just a handful of spiteful posters can make it so unsafe for everyone … Here’s where you need to go, but that will only erase posts from Google archives — there are other archives. http://www.google.com/googlegroups/help.html First you have to locate the posts you want to delete, here … http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en Congrats again to your daughter, even though we won’t know the news !!  The end result of all the pettiness is that the good news must hide under a barrel, and only the negative comes to ast. — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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"inventing" <strac…@comcast.com> wrote in message

news:LfWdne9DyqOqYdfcRVn-tg@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just erased a post.  I wanted to share some good news about my daughter. > But then I started to edit it, removing anything that could give a clue to > who she was or where someone could find her.  And then realized there wasn’t > much reason to post the news. > After the last few months here, I want someone to tell me how to find all my > old posts and erase them where ever they are archived. > Have I left a trail?  I am certain that I have.  In the early days of my > daughter’s dx, all I looked for was help, never realizing that such anger > and malice could come to a suport group. > So I will say that In the last couple of weeks my daughter has gotten some > really really good news.  You will possibly hear about her.  Most people > assume she can do these things because her tics have calmed, nothing could > be further from the truth. > still Inventing

I’s so happy for you and her….please email me! Jo

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"inventing" <strac…@comcast.com> wrote in message

news:LfWdne9DyqOqYdfcRVn-tg@comcast.com… I just erased a post.  I wanted to share some good news about my daughter. But then I started to edit it, removing anything that could give a clue to who she was or where someone could find her.  And then realized there wasn’t much reason to post the news. After the last few months here, I want someone to tell me how to find all my old posts and erase them where ever they are archived. Have I left a trail?  I am certain that I have.  In the early days of my daughter’s dx, all I looked for was help, never realizing that such anger and malice could come to a suport group. So I will say that In the last couple of weeks my daughter has gotten some really really good news.  You will possibly hear about her.  Most people assume she can do these things because her tics have calmed, nothing could be further from the truth. still Inventing —————————————————– I know it irritates some in  AST for myself and Nonitpic to drone on about how unsafe AST is. But,  the psychologists and social psychologists who know all the actual facts bout the SPP stalkers viciously cyberstalking persons they develop an intense obsession about recognise the cyberstalkers are suffering multiple pathologies. It’s unlikely they all suffer the same pathology… But,  the COMPULSIVE nature of their digging up and posting people’s personal identifying information,  compulsively rooting through google and reposting peoples words  out of context,  forging/imposters people,  falsely attributing them as author of other peoples posts,  combined  with their most prominent COMPULSION being a compulsion to decieve …that incites them to manufacture and post black lies  about the target of their cyberstalking in rapid fire…are features of pathologies which makes it unwise  for private citizens to post any personal info…. and VERY unwise for anyone to cross hairs with the stalking therapists. They post unfounded conjecture, wild assertions,  false accusations to slander,  defame,  and libel anyone who calls them on thier pathological digging up people’s identifying info and trashing them with black lies.

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"inventing" <strac…@comcast.com> wrote in message > So I will say that In the last couple of weeks my daughter has gotten some > really really good news.  You will possibly hear about her.  Most people > assume she can do these things because her tics have calmed, nothing could > be further from the truth. > still Inventing

Congratulations to her for whatever it is!  lol I hope I get to hear too.

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"inventing" <strac…@comcast.com> wrote in message

news:LfWdne9DyqOqYdfcRVn-tg@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just erased a post.  I wanted to share some good news about my daughter. > But then I started to edit it, removing anything that could give a clue to > who she was or where someone could find her.  And then realized there wasn’t > much reason to post the news. > After the last few months here, I want someone to tell me how to find all my > old posts and erase them where ever they are archived. > Have I left a trail?  I am certain that I have.  In the early days of my > daughter’s dx, all I looked for was help, never realizing that such anger > and malice could come to a suport group. > So I will say that In the last couple of weeks my daughter has gotten some > really really good news.  You will possibly hear about her.  Most people > assume she can do these things because her tics have calmed, nothing could > be further from the truth. > still Inventing

This is so sad… should we really be worried about RL harassment? Your daughter has been such a wonderful inspiration to us mothers still asking the "what will happen" questions. Big Congrats to her, because I can only bet that it must be quite grand!!! — Joanne mom to Mat the Amazing!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Subject: Re: cant post this >From: "J&S Bouchard" j-…@nospamsympatico.ca >Date: 9/17/04 6:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <6QL2d.16562$lb5.1305…@news20.bellglobal.com> >"inventing" <strac…@comcast.com> wrote in message >news:LfWdne9DyqOqYdfcRVn-tg@comcast.com… >> I just erased a post.  I wanted to share some good news about my daughter. >> But then I started to edit it, removing anything that could give a clue to >> who she was or where someone could find her.  And then realized there >wasn’t >> much reason to post the news. >> After the last few months here, I want someone to tell me how to find all >my >> old posts and erase them where ever they are archived. >> Have I left a trail?  I am certain that I have.  In the early days of my >> daughter’s dx, all I looked for was help, never realizing that such anger >> and malice could come to a suport group. >> So I will say that In the last couple of weeks my daughter has gotten some >> really really good news.  You will possibly hear about her.  Most people >> assume she can do these things because her tics have calmed, nothing could >> be further from the truth. >> still Inventing >This is so sad… should we really be worried about RL harassment?

Yes.   I realize it’s normal for posters of AST to believe I must have done something to the cyberstalking therapist to deserve his cyberstalking,  cyberharassing and libeling me. But,  I DIDN"T. Therefore,  if it could happen to me,   it could happen to anyone. Don’t be naive.. But,  don’t  PANIC either. From what I can see,  the cyberstalking therapists and their supplicants only want to get their prinary targetds. The persons who ally themselves with the cyberstalking therapists and their suplicants DO take liberties in bystanders real life.  but mostly to try to fabricate more accusations to  scapegoat the target of object of their obsession Several AST posters have evidenced a proclivity to serve up other posters info bits,  to the cyberstalking therapists and his supplicants on a silver platter. making it even easier for the SPP stalkers and their supplicants and those who ally themselves with them to cybersalk,  and stalk people into real life. Until lawmakers create strong deterrents of a global sort that prohibit the SPP stalkers from deciding to be cybervigilantes and engage in cyberterrrorism…against person aftyer person ALL who participate on usenet are unsafe,   NOT just the targets of their cyberstalking. Linda Do not tell me that assholes who track and follow me around usenet into forum after forum and post untrue BS about me aren’t cyberstalking me,  unless you are prepared to have me tell you what an asshole you are. .

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"Linda" <lindaglasve…@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message

news:20040917225711.16600.00000720@mb-m16.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Subject: Re: cant post this > >From: "J&S Bouchard" j-…@nospamsympatico.ca > >Date: 9/17/04 6:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time > >Message-id: <6QL2d.16562$lb5.1305…@news20.bellglobal.com> > >"inventing" <strac…@comcast.com> wrote in message > >news:LfWdne9DyqOqYdfcRVn-tg@comcast.com… > >> I just erased a post.  I wanted to share some good news about my daughter. > >> But then I started to edit it, removing anything that could give a clue to > >> who she was or where someone could find her.  And then realized there > >wasn’t > >> much reason to post the news. > >> After the last few months here, I want someone to tell me how to find all > >my > >> old posts and erase them where ever they are archived. > >> Have I left a trail?  I am certain that I have.  In the early days of my > >> daughter’s dx, all I looked for was help, never realizing that such anger > >> and malice could come to a suport group. > >> So I will say that In the last couple of weeks my daughter has gotten some > >> really really good news.  You will possibly hear about her.  Most people > >> assume she can do these things because her tics have calmed, nothing could > >> be further from the truth. > >> still Inventing > >This is so sad… should we really be worried about RL harassment? > Yes. > I realize it’s normal for posters of AST to believe I must have done something > to the cyberstalking therapist to deserve his cyberstalking, cyberharassing > and libeling me. > But,  I DIDN"T. > Therefore,  if it could happen to me,   it could happen to anyone. > Don’t be naive.. > But,  don’t  PANIC either. > From what I can see,  the cyberstalking therapists and their supplicants only > want to get their prinary targetds. > The persons who ally themselves with the cyberstalking therapists and their > suplicants DO take liberties in bystanders real life. >  but mostly to try to fabricate more accusations to  scapegoat the target of > object of their obsession > Several AST posters have evidenced a proclivity to serve up other posters info > bits,  to the cyberstalking therapists and his supplicants on a silver platter. > making it even easier for the SPP stalkers and their supplicants and those who > ally themselves with them to cybersalk,  and stalk people into real life. > Until lawmakers create strong deterrents of a global sort that prohibit the SPP > stalkers from deciding to be cybervigilantes and engage in > cyberterrrorism…against person aftyer person ALL who participate on usenet > are unsafe,   NOT just the targets of their cyberstalking. > Linda > Do not tell me that assholes who track and follow me around usenet into forum > after forum and post untrue BS about me aren’t cyberstalking me,  unless you > are prepared to have me tell you what an asshole you are.

I know that cyberstalking is real but what about stalking in real life? — Joanne mom to Mat the Amazing!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->ubject: Re: cant post this >From: "J&S Bouchard" j-…@nospamsympatico.ca >Date: 9/17/04 8:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <sCN2d.16681$lb5.1336…@news20.bellglobal.com> >"Linda" <lindaglasve…@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message >news:20040917225711.16600.00000720@mb-m16.aol.com… >> >Subject: Re: cant post this >> >From: "J&S Bouchard" j-…@nospamsympatico.ca >> >Date: 9/17/04 6:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time >> >Message-id: <6QL2d.16562$lb5.1305…@news20.bellglobal.com> >> >"inventing" <strac…@comcast.com> wrote in message >> >news:LfWdne9DyqOqYdfcRVn-tg@comcast.com… >> >> I just erased a post.  I wanted to share some good news about my >daughter. >> >> But then I started to edit it, removing anything that could give a clue >to >> >> who she was or where someone could find her.  And then realized there >> >wasn’t >> >> much reason to post the news. >> >> After the last few months here, I want someone to tell me how to find >all >> >my >> >> old posts and erase them where ever they are archived. >> >> Have I left a trail?  I am certain that I have.  In the early days of >my >> >> daughter’s dx, all I looked for was help, never realizing that such >anger >> >> and malice could come to a suport group. >> >> So I will say that In the last couple of weeks my daughter has gotten >some >> >> really really good news.  You will possibly hear about her.  Most >people >> >> assume she can do these things because her tics have calmed, nothing >could >> >> be further from the truth. >> >> still Inventing >> >This is so sad… should we really be worried about RL harassment? >> Yes. >> I realize it’s normal for posters of AST to believe I must have done >something >> to the cyberstalking therapist to deserve his cyberstalking, >cyberharassing >> and libeling me. >> But,  I DIDN"T. >> Therefore,  if it could happen to me,   it could happen to anyone. >> Don’t be naive.. >> But,  don’t  PANIC either. >> From what I can see,  the cyberstalking therapists and their supplicants >only >> want to get their prinary targetds. >> The persons who ally themselves with the cyberstalking therapists and >their >> suplicants DO take liberties in bystanders real life. >>  but mostly to try to fabricate more accusations to  scapegoat the target >of >> object of their obsession >> Several AST posters have evidenced a proclivity to serve up other posters >info >> bits,  to the cyberstalking therapists and his supplicants on a silver >platter. >> making it even easier for the SPP stalkers and their supplicants and those >who >> ally themselves with them to cybersalk,  and stalk people into real life. >> Until lawmakers create strong deterrents of a global sort that prohibit >the SPP >> stalkers from deciding to be cybervigilantes and engage in >> cyberterrrorism…against person aftyer person ALL who participate on >usenet >> are unsafe,   NOT just the targets of their cyberstalking. >> Linda >> Do not tell me that assholes who track and follow me around usenet into >forum >> after forum and post untrue BS about me aren’t cyberstalking me,  unless >you >> are prepared to have me tell you what an asshole you are. >I know that cyberstalking is real but what about stalking in real life?

Yes,  increasingly and alarmingly so. Cyberstalking is now considered an antecedent or prelude to real life stalking. One of several organizations created to help targets of vicious online cyberstalking has been keeping statistics on whether or not the cyberstalkers stalked their targets into real life. In both 2001 and 2002,  only 1 in 3 online cyberstalkers stalked people into their real life. In 2003,  2 of 3 online cyberstalkers stalked the target of their stalking into real life. http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/stats/offline.shtml Linda Do not tell me that assholes who track and follow me around usenet into forum after forum and post untrue BS about me aren’t cyberstalking me,  unless you are prepared to have me tell you what an asshole you are. .

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"Linda" <lindaglasve…@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message

news:20040918003614.16600.00000725@mb-m16.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >ubject: Re: cant post this > >From: "J&S Bouchard" j-…@nospamsympatico.ca > >Date: 9/17/04 8:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time > >Message-id: <sCN2d.16681$lb5.1336…@news20.bellglobal.com> > >"Linda" <lindaglasve…@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message > >news:20040917225711.16600.00000720@mb-m16.aol.com… > >> >Subject: Re: cant post this > >> >From: "J&S Bouchard" j-…@nospamsympatico.ca > >> >Date: 9/17/04 6:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time > >> >Message-id: <6QL2d.16562$lb5.1305…@news20.bellglobal.com> > >> >"inventing" <strac…@comcast.com> wrote in message > >> >news:LfWdne9DyqOqYdfcRVn-tg@comcast.com… > >> >> I just erased a post.  I wanted to share some good news about my > >daughter. > >> >> But then I started to edit it, removing anything that could give a clue > >to > >> >> who she was or where someone could find her.  And then realized there > >> >wasn’t > >> >> much reason to post the news. > >> >> After the last few months here, I want someone to tell me how to find > >all > >> >my > >> >> old posts and erase them where ever they are archived. > >> >> Have I left a trail?  I am certain that I have.  In the early days of > >my > >> >> daughter’s dx, all I looked for was help, never realizing that such > >anger > >> >> and malice could come to a suport group. > >> >> So I will say that In the last couple of weeks my daughter has gotten > >some > >> >> really really good news.  You will possibly hear about her.  Most > >people > >> >> assume she can do these things because her tics have calmed, nothing > >could > >> >> be further from the truth. > >> >> still Inventing > >> >This is so sad… should we really be worried about RL harassment? > >> Yes. > >> I realize it’s normal for posters of AST to believe I must have done > >something > >> to the cyberstalking therapist to deserve his cyberstalking, > >cyberharassing > >> and libeling me. > >> But,  I DIDN"T. > >> Therefore,  if it could happen to me,   it could happen to anyone. > >> Don’t be naive.. > >> But,  don’t  PANIC either. > >> From what I can see,  the cyberstalking therapists and their supplicants > >only > >> want to get their prinary targetds. > >> The persons who ally themselves with the cyberstalking therapists and > >their > >> suplicants DO take liberties in bystanders real life. > >>  but mostly to try to fabricate more accusations to  scapegoat the target > >of > >> object of their obsession > >> Several AST posters have evidenced a proclivity to serve up other posters > >info > >> bits,  to the cyberstalking therapists and his supplicants on a silver > >platter. > >> making it even easier for the SPP stalkers and their supplicants and those > >who > >> ally themselves with them to cybersalk,  and stalk people into real life. > >> Until lawmakers create strong deterrents of a global sort that prohibit > >the SPP > >> stalkers from deciding to be cybervigilantes and engage in > >> cyberterrrorism…against person aftyer person ALL who participate on > >usenet > >> are unsafe,   NOT just the targets of their cyberstalking. > >> Linda > >> Do not tell me that assholes who track and follow me around usenet into > >forum > >> after forum and post untrue BS about me aren’t cyberstalking me, unless > >you > >> are prepared to have me tell you what an asshole you are. > >I know that cyberstalking is real but what about stalking in real life? > Yes,  increasingly and alarmingly so. > Cyberstalking is now considered an antecedent or prelude to real life stalking. > One of several organizations created to help targets of vicious online > cyberstalking has been keeping statistics on whether or not the cyberstalkers > stalked their targets into real life. > In both 2001 and 2002,  only 1 in 3 online cyberstalkers stalked people into > their real life. > In 2003,  2 of 3 online cyberstalkers stalked the target of their stalking into > real life. > http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/stats/offline.shtml > Linda > Do not tell me that assholes who track and follow me around usenet into forum > after forum and post untrue BS about me aren’t cyberstalking me,  unless you > are prepared to have me tell you what an asshole you are.

Wow… I didn’t know this. I will definitely watch what I say from now on. — Joanne mom to Mat the Amazing!

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‘Twas 18 Sep 2004 04:36:14 GMT when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as lindaglasve…@aol.comnojunk (Linda) uttered: >In both 2001 and 2002,  only 1 in 3 online cyberstalkers stalked people into >their real life. >In 2003,  2 of 3 online cyberstalkers stalked the target of their stalking into >real life.

Even if a statistic is clearly preposterous, you can get 102% of the population to believe it. >http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/stats/offline.shtml

Figures can’t lie, but liars can figure.  Actually I don’t think they are lying; they are just clue challenged.  That site has small amounts of good information amidst large quantities of meaningless crap. — RB |  

neurologist visit

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In article <90ihi05m7ts39m3ofbu7edcgja9vcjj…@4ax.com>, Randall Bart wrote: >’Twas Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:32:59 -0400 when all alt.support.tourette stood >in awe as REN…@webtv.net (RENEE S) uttered: >>He also said her jerks were psychosomatic. >What is the difference between psychosomatic jerks and Tourette Syndrome?

Very interesting.  After looking it up, it’s clear to me that I’d never understood the word "psychosomatic" before.  I’m not sure I clearly understand it still, but it looks to me like tics (or at least many of them) are either psychosomatic or the reverse of psychosomatic. Blurt

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Dr. Tanya Murphy in Gainesville is good. — Roger D. Freeman, M.D. <SOan…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:19285-412506DE-24@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t know what to say, He said there is no way that I could have TS, > unless he had some records, that saying I have St. Vitis Dance could > mean anything.On my insistence he stopped the Klonipin. when I said I > want to be weaned off slowly , it wasn’t necessary B/C it was a small > dosage. Renee didn’t agree with him and told him so, B/C she sees me in > action. I was very calm there and no tics > He suggested I get a second opinion, either in Gainsville with a > referral or Miami I pay.

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Dr Freeman I am seeing a Dr. associated with Gainesville  just 3 mi. from my home a Dr.Farronay on Sept. 1.  I see a big improvement since I am off Klonipin a week. Fay

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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:07:11 -0400, in article <13169-4126139F-…@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>, SOan…@webtv.net wrote: >being labeled TS isn’t a >dirty word and glad to be one of you. >Fay

And I’m glad to be one of YOU, too! Blurt

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n article <13171-41261434…@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>, SOan…@webtv.net wrote: >Burt

Blurt.  My name is spelled B-l-u-r-t, but it’s pronounced "Josh", so I tell people here they can call me either "Blurt" or "Josh". >the Drs. in Fl. see mostly old people. How many have TS, one me. >Fay

You make a good point.  However, there are probably many elderly persons with undiagnosed TS.  And maybe even many who’ve seen neurologists about their symptoms who were promptly misdiagnosed. I’ve never seen any info anywhere suggesting that adults with TS lose their TS when they get older, but I would guess that the older one is, the more likely their TS would be misdiagnosed when first presenting their symptoms to a neurologist. Blurt

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I never noticed that there was a L in your name. I have to have a cataract removed.  some time soon.I had one done 4 years ago and it took all this time to developed. I notice I sometime sign off Fat. I blame that on my eyes also. Fay

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Fay’s Dr wanted to know why she needed a dx….I replied probably for a sense of well being… who wants to be in limbo?… He felt we were attacking him… trying to prove him wrong…I guess we were….He also said her jerks were psychosomatic.. . I disagreed with him… Most patients don’t question their Drs… but I have a big mouth, and love to ask questions so I can understand…and love even more to disagree.   The first med he suggested was halidol…after Fay stated she did not want to feel drowsey during the day…Whats with that!…Thanks for the venting space…Renee

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‘Twas Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:32:59 -0400 when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as REN…@webtv.net (RENEE S) uttered: >He also said her jerks were psychosomatic.

What is the difference between psychosomatic jerks and Tourette Syndrome? — RB |  

School Orientation Today

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>> About 7 years ago my daughters’ high school instituted a complex plan, >> different but not completely unlike this one.  the parents had problems >> keeping everything straight.  The students adapted quickly, and had no >> problems.  The signs or banners in the school indicating what week it is >> will be primarily for the adults on staff rather than the students, in the >> long run! >Yep, same deal here … the kids just ask other kids or teachers, and go with >the flow, but the changing schedule really helps with the daily "attentional" >rhythm.

How big was your daughters’ high school, KC? And TSNW — I think the situation is quite a bit different when it’s a small private school where the students are carefully selected to NOT have any issues, don’t you think?  

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>From: cyberb…@aol.comNONITPlK  (NONITPlK) >And TSNW — I think the situation is quite a bit different when it’s a small >private school where the students are carefully selected to NOT have any >issues, don’t you think?  

Now this is the type of school I would like to see!  Teens without issues? That would be heaven.  I must live in the wrong part of the US because every single teenager in our neck of the woods has issues, and they make it known that their issues are not only major issues, but more important that any other person’s issues.  In fact, in our area, teens are never free from issues because all the parents have issues.

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"NONITPlK" <cyberb…@aol.comNONITPlK> wrote in message

news:20040721111650.12055.00002396@mb-m01.aol.com… > >(Orientation in mid-July ?) > Not all school systems start school after Labor Day.  Most school systems in > Florida start in early August, so a mid-July orientation makes sense.

When do they start the summer vacation? — Joanne mom to Mat the Amazing!

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> K’s school is now on a 4×4 plan.  They take 4 new classes every 9 weeks. This > year they The classes are now 2 hours long

I take it this is the high school?  Here, 140 in-class hours equals one high school credit.  Nine weeks of 10hrs/week per class would equal just 90 hours…so, say, one credit/unit of Biology would be gotten after just 90 hours of in-class time? And I’m not sure I agree with mandatory volunteering.  My son did volunteering as required by the Spanish Honor Society, the National Honor Society, the school’s gifted organization, etc.  But it was his NON-required volunteering at his elementary school that meant the most, I think.  But in lean budget times, I guess that mandatory volunteering can ease the strain on school staff (running copies, being an office assistant, etc.). And the blue/silver weeks in the middle school?  Eeekkk….sounds like it could be awfully confusing for a student with executive functioning difficulties! Middle school should be made simpler, not more complicated! I do like the idea of the mandatory anti-bullying class, though…as long as the students are taught they shouldn’t tolerate bullying by ANYone (including staff).  

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>When do they start the summer vacation?

As Kim just posted, May 14.

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>I hope all of the changes help.  Our county scores very low on the FCAT >(State >Standardized test), and the schools in our particular city score the lowest >county wide.  

I was going to ask if these regimented changes are because the schools score poorly… Why do they score poorly, Kim?  Low socioeconomic status, minorities, ESL?  [Before anyone accuses me of racism, read the stats -- all of these groups score lowest on standardized tests, and continue to score poorly, despite massive and expensive intervention.]

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>Subject: Re: School Orientation Today >From: cyberb…@aol.comNONITPlK >I was going to ask if these regimented changes are because the schools score >poorly…

This seems to be the reason. >Why do they score poorly, Kim?

I don’t know.  Part of me believes that the reason for the low scores lies within the curriculum.  For the first semester of school all the really do is teach what will be on the upcoming FCAT test.  I feel like they don’t spend enough time teaching the basics of each area.  For example, last year they spent 3 weeks teaching Algebra in the 7th grade math class.  They only taught the type of problems that were going to be on the test.  They never touched the basics of Algebra…same for Geometry.   >Low socioeconomic status, minorities, >ESL?

Our school system is very balanced.  We have people who fall in all of the categories you listed, but no more than any other location.  And to be honest, our ESOL students tend to score high on the FCAT.  They seem to have a more serious approach to learning and they are very successful. In fact, at the end of this past school year, during the school’s award ceremony, I would say that at least 50% of the students who maintained a GPA of 3.0 or better throughout the entire school year were ESOL students.  (They were not all "new" to the ESOL program.) Unfortunately, K and 2 of her best friends were partially to blame for the low test scores.  All three of them are in honors classes, going into the AP (Advanced Placement) program in high school, but scored extremely low on the FCAT.  (And none of the 3 of them fall into any of the categories you mentioned.)  K does have a IEP but since she is doing great in school, we haven’t done much with it.  I refuse to get rid of it just incase she doesn’t pass the 10th grade FCAT.  She has a few accommodations in her IEP that can help her during high school if it becomes necessary. If Florida had a different governor this all might be different.  He is still holding a grudge against the public because we voted for a classroom size ammendment a couple years ago.  He was completely against it and after it passed, he said something to the effect that "the public will soon realize how their decision to pass this ammendment will pose serious consequences."  We keep seeing smaller and smaller amounts of money being spent on each individual student since that happened.  

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>From: "J&S Bouchard" >> Florida start in early August, so a mid-July orientation makes sense. >When do they start the summer vacation?

Until 3 years ago, school usually started the last Monday of August, then they had a 3 day weekend for Labor Day.  At that time, school let out around the middle of June.   There was one summer, the first summer before the earlier starting date that the kids got out in mid-June and returned the first week of August.  Now that was a short summer vacation.  But for the past 2 years, school begins very early in August, and ends mid-May.  

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>From: cyberb…@aol.comNONITPlK >This >> year they The classes are now 2 hours long >I take it this is the high school?

Yes, it is in high school.  >Here, 140 in-class hours equals one high >school credit.

I can’t say for sure exactly how many in-class "hours" equals one high school credit.  But with this new 4×4 schedule, each completed course equals 1/2 credit.  (1 course = 9 weeks).  They have to have a minimum of 29 credits to graduate high school, but have the opportunity to earn up to 32. >so, say, one credit/unit of Biology would be gotten after just 90 hours >of in-class time?

The usual year long courses are crunched into one semester (18 weeks) since they go twice as long every day.  For example, Biology 1A is for the 1st 9 weeks, then Biology 1B is taken the second 9 weeks.  If we say that 9 weeks = 90 hours, then a full semester of Biology (1A and 1B) would give them 1 full credit, or 180 hours, which is equal to a regular school’s (not on a 4×4 schedule) full year, and one full credit.  (But if we want to be more precise, I am quite sure 9 weeks doesn’t equal a full 90 hours since they have plenty of days off school during those 9 weeks, so 180 hours is probably more like the 140 your area receives.)

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>And the blue/silver weeks in the middle school?  Eeekkk….sounds like it >could >be awfully confusing for a student with executive functioning difficulties!

There is no way I would EVER know where I was supposed to be or when I was supposed to be there. I would never be able to make it through that school. I hope they have some sort of plan in mind for the kids who have executive functioning difficulties – the "absent-minded professors" – because they could have an awful lot of kids wandering around and late to class.

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About 7 years ago my daughters’ high school instituted a complex plan, different but not completely unlike this one.  the parents had problems keeping everything straight.  The students adapted quickly, and had no problems.  The signs or banners in the school indicating what week it is will be primarily for the adults on staff rather than the students, in the long run! still inventing, KC "AuntKim2004" <auntkim2…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040721110132.28842.00000222@mb-m26.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just got home from high school and middle school orientation for the new school > year.  At both levels, they have made several changes this year.  The changes > seem a bit odd for a public school, but hopefully they will benefit the > students. > K’s school is now on a 4×4 plan.  They take 4 new classes every 9 weeks. This > year they The classes are now 2 hours long. They also now require each grade > level to do community service.  Freshmen have to complete 1 hour of community > service per week, sophmores 1.5 hours per week, juniors 2 hrs per week and > seniors have to complete 15 hours per month.  They can either volunteer at the > school or outside at a non profit or government agency.  No student who is > working towards a standard high school diploma is exempt from having to > volunteer.  They have created different opportunities for students who work and > attend school, and for homebound students.  They still have to volunteer, but > they can do so in ways that coincide with the time they are spending in > classes. > C’s school made the biggest changes.  They now have 7 classes per day instead > of the usual 6.  The additional class is held 3 times a day, once for each > grade level, and is geared towards socialization.  They call it "Mandatory > Seminar."  Bullying, teasing, lying, stealing, drugs, fighting, anger > management, mediation, respect, sexual harassment, etc…are just some of the > topics that are going to be included in this class every day.  They are also > changing the daily routine.  They have designated every week of the school year > as either a blue or silver week (school colors).  On blue week they will hang a > blue flag in the corridor, on silver week a silver flag will hang.  On blue > week they will hold classes in order of 1st period thru 7th period on > Monday-Wednesday-Friday, and backwards, 7th period thru 1st period on > Tuesday-Thursday.  On silver week 7th-1st will happen on Mon-Wed-Fri, and 1st – > 7th on Tues-Thursday.  They say studies show kids get less out of classes that > take place after lunch because they are worn down, tired, bored, etc., so they > are hoping that holding the later classes at an earlier time will even out the > learning experience they get from each class. > This is a first for our school system.  Actually, it is not being instituted by > the county school system, but instead by the city that the county public > schools are located in.  Some parents were throwing a fit this morning. My > only hope is that it doesn’t all get too confusing for the kids to follow. > Anyone else have major changes at their children’s school this year? > Kim

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Some schools in our system funtion year around with longer breaks during the year and a much shorter break during the summer. still inventing, KC "NONITPlK" <cyberb…@aol.comNONITPlK> wrote in message

news:20040721111650.12055.00002396@mb-m01.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >(Orientation in mid-July ?) > Not all school systems start school after Labor Day.  Most school systems in > Florida start in early August, so a mid-July orientation makes sense.

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"AuntKim2004" <auntkim2…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040721120605.26080.00000259@mb-m28.aol.com… > I think mandatory volunteering is a great idea.

I do too.  However, when they tried to get it started in our school district, people started objecting to "forced labor", "slavery" , since it was unpaid.  It was amazing the arguements the adults came up with. still inventing KC

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>From: "inventing" ><auntkim2…@aol.com> wrote in message >> I think mandatory volunteering is a great idea. >I do too.  However, when they tried to get it started in our school >district, people started objecting to "forced labor", "slavery" , since it >was unpaid.  It was amazing the arguements the adults came up with.

Wow, that is amazing.  I am waiting patiently for someone to come up with the same accusations here.  A while back, a group of parents here threw a fit because their child was new to the district and one of the few elective classes left in a particular high school was the Diversified Technology Education class.  For the first semester, students focused on employability skills and then in the second semester, they were required to hold at least a part time job for a minimum of 20 hours a week.  They were released from school 2 hours early every day.  Some of these parents were just appalled at the fact that their teenage child had to hold a job.   I actually would have been one of those parents if my daughter wasn’t given a choice to work or take 2 classes that she may have benefitted from.  But with the new "school choice" plan in place here, no one knows what can happen.  It seems worse that bussing kids in some situations.  We have a middle school student in our neighborhood who moved from Alaska the last week of school last year.  She just received her new high school assignment and is stuck with a school more than 30 miles away from home.   Sorry, got off topic there for a minute. Kim

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>> I think mandatory volunteering is a great idea. >I do too.  However, when they tried to get it started in our school >district, people started objecting to "forced labor", "slavery" , since it >was unpaid.

Well, it’s not really "volunteering" if it’s mandatory. But mandatory community service is a wonderful idea. I would hope that it’s meaningful community service, though, and not merely making copies somewhere. Sara

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>From: sesgard…@aol.com >Well, it’s not really "volunteering" if it’s mandatory.

Good point! But mandatory >community >service is a wonderful idea. I would hope that it’s meaningful community >service, though, and not merely making copies somewhere.

During orientation, they briefly explained what is considered appropriate and what is not.  Any non profit or governmental agency is ok.  What is kind of unique in this situation is that each student is required to compose a plan for a project that will benefit the public, implement that plan, and then provide the results of their work…did they meet their goals?  How did their efforts help the public?  One of their examples is a student planning to transcribe a portion of the county’s 1930 census, and provide a non profit genealogical society with the transcription records.   They do have provisions for students with disabilities, homebound students, homeless students, and students in a few different situations.  These students can make copies, assist teachers, clean equipment, decorate for events, etc. Students with an IEP will have to have this written into their plan, homebound students will have to have doctor documentation, homeless students will have to provide proof of being homeless, etc.  So, a majority of them will be doing an actual community service project, which is why I think it is a great idea. Kim

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> So, a majority of them will be doing an >actual community service project, which is why I think it is a great idea. >Kim

It sounds very well thought out! Sounds like your girls are in a good district, with the students’ needs in mind. Congratulations, Mom! :-) xooxox Sara

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"inventing" <strac…@comcast.com> wrote in message

news:l9ydnW6Df9LFtWLdRVn-qQ@comcast.com… > "AuntKim2004" <auntkim2…@aol.com> wrote in message > news:20040721120605.26080.00000259@mb-m28.aol.com… > > I think mandatory volunteering is a great idea. > I do too.  However, when they tried to get it started in our school > district, people started objecting to "forced labor", "slavery" , since it > was unpaid.  It was amazing the arguements the adults came up with. > still inventing > KC

So far my oldest son now going into his second year of high school has done 10 hours of volunteering from the 40 required hours. And let me tell you, he is the laziest kid I’ve ever seen and it is the fact that it is mandatory that made him actually go to the track event for volunteer work. He had a great day. He measured the jumps and was forced to socialize all day long. He came home tired, but a good tired. He was proud of himself as was I. But if it weren’t for that… no way would he get up and do something, outside his family circle. :( — Joanne mom to Mat the Amazing!

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Just got home from high school and middle school orientation for the new school year.  At both levels, they have made several changes this year.  The changes seem a bit odd for a public school, but hopefully they will benefit the students.   K’s school is now on a 4×4 plan.  They take 4 new classes every 9 weeks.  This year they The classes are now 2 hours long. They also now require each grade level to do community service.  Freshmen have to complete 1 hour of community service per week, sophmores 1.5 hours per week, juniors 2 hrs per week and seniors have to complete 15 hours per month.  They can either volunteer at the school or outside at a non profit or government agency.  No student who is working towards a standard high school diploma is exempt from having to volunteer.  They have created different opportunities for students who work and attend school, and for homebound students.  They still have to volunteer, but they can do so in ways that coincide with the time they are spending in classes. C’s school made the biggest changes.  They now have 7 classes per day instead of the usual 6.  The additional class is held 3 times a day, once for each grade level, and is geared towards socialization.  They call it "Mandatory Seminar."  Bullying, teasing, lying, stealing, drugs, fighting, anger management, mediation, respect, sexual harassment, etc…are just some of the topics that are going to be included in this class every day.  They are also changing the daily routine.  They have designated every week of the school year as either a blue or silver week (school colors).  On blue week they will hang a blue flag in the corridor, on silver week a silver flag will hang.  On blue week they will hold classes in order of 1st period thru 7th period on Monday-Wednesday-Friday, and backwards, 7th period thru 1st period on Tuesday-Thursday.  On silver week 7th-1st will happen on Mon-Wed-Fri, and 1st – 7th on Tues-Thursday.  They say studies show kids get less out of classes that take place after lunch because they are worn down, tired, bored, etc., so they are hoping that holding the later classes at an earlier time will even out the learning experience they get from each class. This is a first for our school system.  Actually, it is not being instituted by the county school system, but instead by the city that the county public schools are located in.  Some parents were throwing a fit this morning.  My only hope is that it doesn’t all get too confusing for the kids to follow. Anyone else have major changes at their children’s school this year? Kim

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Sounds like some really interesting stuff, Kim … I hope all goes well! (Orientation in mid-July ?) — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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>(Orientation in mid-July ?)

Not all school systems start school after Labor Day.  Most school systems in Florida start in early August, so a mid-July orientation makes sense.

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"AuntKim2004" <auntkim2…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040721110132.28842.00000222@mb-m26.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just got home from high school and middle school orientation for the new school > year.  At both levels, they have made several changes this year.  The changes > seem a bit odd for a public school, but hopefully they will benefit the > students. > K’s school is now on a 4×4 plan.  They take 4 new classes every 9 weeks. This > year they The classes are now 2 hours long. They also now require each grade > level to do community service.  Freshmen have to complete 1 hour of community > service per week, sophmores 1.5 hours per week, juniors 2 hrs per week and > seniors have to complete 15 hours per month.  They can either volunteer at the > school or outside at a non profit or government agency.  No student who is > working towards a standard high school diploma is exempt from having to > volunteer.  They have created different opportunities for students who work and > attend school, and for homebound students.  They still have to volunteer, but > they can do so in ways that coincide with the time they are spending in > classes. > C’s school made the biggest changes.  They now have 7 classes per day instead > of the usual 6.  The additional class is held 3 times a day, once for each > grade level, and is geared towards socialization.  They call it "Mandatory > Seminar."  Bullying, teasing, lying, stealing, drugs, fighting, anger > management, mediation, respect, sexual harassment, etc…are just some of the > topics that are going to be included in this class every day.  They are also > changing the daily routine.  They have designated every week of the school year > as either a blue or silver week (school colors).  On blue week they will hang a > blue flag in the corridor, on silver week a silver flag will hang.  On blue > week they will hold classes in order of 1st period thru 7th period on > Monday-Wednesday-Friday, and backwards, 7th period thru 1st period on > Tuesday-Thursday.  On silver week 7th-1st will happen on Mon-Wed-Fri, and 1st – > 7th on Tues-Thursday.  They say studies show kids get less out of classes that > take place after lunch because they are worn down, tired, bored, etc., so they > are hoping that holding the later classes at an earlier time will even out the > learning experience they get from each class. > This is a first for our school system.  Actually, it is not being instituted by > the county school system, but instead by the city that the county public > schools are located in.  Some parents were throwing a fit this morning. My > only hope is that it doesn’t all get too confusing for the kids to follow. > Anyone else have major changes at their children’s school this year? > Kim

Wow… that seems like a great idea!! Your school is actually putting in the effort to help the kids learn and be better. I wish our schools would actually try… My oldest son’s high school is on the right track. They also have the mandatory volunteering but it’s 40 hours in the 4 years of high school. I can’t wait for Mat to go to high school… It’s a safer environment for children… at the high school, kids are too preoccupied to bother with bullying and such. Each child has a counselor and the meet regularly. And kids can request a peer tutor at any time too. Sometimes change is good… I hope your kids adapt well, but from reading your previous post, it looks like they will do great!! — Joanne mom to Mat the Amazing!

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>From: TSNW t…@optonline.net >Sounds like some really interesting stuff, Kim … I hope all goes well! >(Orientation in mid-July ?)

C has already gone back to school this year.  The whole school didn’t start this soon, only those in Journalism class.  All of our schools start back for the new school year in less than 2 weeks, Aug 3rd to be exact.  Our kids start got out of school this previous school year on May 14. Kim Kim

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>Subject: Re: School Orientation Today >From: "J&S Bouchard" >Wow… that seems like a great idea!! >Your school is actually putting in the effort to help the kids learn and be >better.

I hope all of the changes help.  Our county scores very low on the FCAT (State Standardized test), and the schools in our particular city score the lowest county wide.   >My oldest son’s high school is on the right track. They also have the >mandatory volunteering but it’s 40 hours in the 4 years of high school.

I think mandatory volunteering is a great idea.  Until this year, most students in high school took advantage of volunteering because as of right now, Florida offers a Bright Future college scholarship to students who are successful in high school.  One of the criteria to recieve the scholarship is to complete a volunteer project during the student’s senior year.  The scholarship program is wonderful because everyone has an equal chance at getting a full scholarship…as long as they perform well and complete certain tasks while in high school.  They even have a program that provides students with a C average and average FCAT scores a 50% tuition paid scholarship.  The better the performance, the better the scholarship…but there have been rumors that the scholarship won’t be offered for too many more years. >Each child has a counselor and the meet regularly.

That sounds like a great idea.  Each student has a counselor here, but meeting with him or her is only done at the student or parent request, or if the student gets in trouble.  Nothing on a regular basis though. >And >kids can request a peer tutor at any time too.

And this is even better.  Our schools have a mentoring program thru major businesses in the county, but there are never enough mentors to go around and many kids end up on a waiting list for a long time. >Sometimes change is good… I hope your kids adapt well, but from reading >your previous post, it looks like they will do great!!

Thank you…I hope they keep on track.  Things can change at the spur of the moment so we are always prepared.  change can be a good thing, and I am glad to see our schools finally making the effort.  (the state threatening to take away a lot of the funding helps.) Kim

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Hello to Everyone!

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>If I come across anything useful I will definitely send it your way!   >Gotta run… >Kim

I’ll check into the PA lawsuit, thanks! I do know that our psych was hesitant with the Neurontin, telling us that studies showed that it didn’t work, but since our son had been taking it at that point for over a year, I was hesitant to change. We did try taking him off, and his mood destablized rapidly, so we never completely took him off. He seems to be doing really, really well on the 900 mg dose, and I can really tell if he misses a dose. So it seems like it’s working for him, anyway. I will look further into it as far as the suicide, etc. is concerned. Thanks for your help and concern. You are so sweet to keep up with us this way! xoxoxo Sara

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>Wow, it sure has been a long time!

Good to hear from you, Kim. I’m not sure if it’s safe for you to venture back into the nASTy waters here yet, as there should still be forger alerts posted.

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>From: sesgard…@aol.com  (Sesgardner) >Please tell me more about what you’ve been hearing about Neurontin. I haven’t >heard anything at all.

Well, since the beginning of June we have had commercials on our local stations that say Pfizer illegally promoted Neurontin for uses in children and adults that were not approved by the FDA, such as cases concerning ADHD and BiPolar. According to these commercials, the only 2 approved uses of Neurontin are for seizures and pain in post-shingles patients.  Also according to these commercials, Pfizer admitted guilt and has agreed to pay over $400 million in damages.  One commercial even quoted studies mentioned by the FDA, that indicated Neurontin, when used for the treatment of ADHD or Bipolar, showed no greater effectiveness than a placebo, and in some instances the placebo effect was greater.   Now, over the past couple days, I have been seeing new commercials and even a brief segment on the news, that in Harrisburg, PA, a lawsuit has been filed citing that Pfizer put children in harms way by illegally promoting Neurontin, which caused deaths and suicide attempts in children in Pennsylvania, Texas and Oklahoma.  (I think Paxil was also listed along with Neurontin in this lawsuit.) I never get all the details in one sitting.  There is a big screen TV in the lobby of the Rehab center I work in and it is always turned on, but I always end up getting distracted during the commericals. If I am not mistaken, the most recent string of news, regarding the PA lawsuit, just came out yesterday, I think.  If you have a good news fetcher, you might do a search and see if it shows anything about it. If I come across anything useful I will definitely send it your way!   Gotta run… Kim

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Hi Pablo, nice to meet you! >Someone in another group was telling me about probiotics. >Any thoughts, anyone?

The Lactobacillus Acidophilus is considered a probiotic.  I have heard they are great for diabetics also because they help to break down the insulin and carbohydrates in the colon.  There are also prebiotics which are supposed to help the probiotics work better.  Prebiotics are found in onions, tomatoes, garlic, honey, etc.   I am not an expert on pro-prebiotics, but they have been used for thousands of years.   Kim

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"AuntKim2004" <auntkim2…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040707235200.10891.00001285@mb-m02.aol.com… > Hi Pablo, nice to meet you!

Nice to meet you, too.  :-) > >Someone in another group was telling me about probiotics. > >Any thoughts, anyone? > The Lactobacillus Acidophilus is considered a probiotic.  I have heard they are > great for diabetics also because they help to break down the insulin and > carbohydrates in the colon.  There are also prebiotics which are supposed to > help the probiotics work better.  Prebiotics are found in onions, tomatoes, > garlic, honey, etc.

This is very interesting.  In another group, over the last few days, someone has been telling me about acidophilus, and even gave me a url for more info. I’m going to be checking it out.  The link she gave me is: http://tinyurl.com/2ofwm  I didn’t know about the prebiotics. > I am not an expert on pro-prebiotics, but they have been used for thousands of > years. > Kim

Looks like I have some research to do.  Thanks for the info! Pablo

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>Sara, I have been thinking about you and your little guy a lot lately, hoping >he isn’t having any problems on the Neurontin…been seeing quite a few >health >alert commercials regarding that med.

Kim! It is SO great to see you!!! The girls sound awesome – my 16-year-old niece is involved in the "True Love Waits" program also – pretty cool. I’m so glad you have a job that you like. It sounds perfect for you. Please tell me more about what you’ve been hearing about Neurontin. I haven’t heard anything at all. I know you get a lot more of that type of info than I do, and I would really appreciate hearing more. My son is doing great, except for weight gain, which I believe is caused by the Neurontin, although his psychiatrist says not. The psychiatrist did reduce his dosage quite a bit, however, and now he is taking only 900 mg a day. He also takes Effexor (yes, I know all about the horrible withdrawal symptoms of THAT!) 150 mg, not XR, and Attarax, 25 mg at night. He hardly tics at all anymore, except for some facial tics and an occasional verbal tic. We recently spent two weeks up in Redmond, WA at the DigiPen Institute of Technology while he took a Junior Gaming  workshop. You should have seen the ticcing going on at THAT school! It seemed to be a magnet for kids with neurological differences. It’s so great to have you back, I hope you’ll be able to stick around. xoxoxo Sara

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>Subject: Re: Hello to Everyone! >From: "Jodi" >I thought you weren’t suppose to take echinacea on a daily basis?

You are right on the money Jodi!  But according to what I was told, it isn’t good to take it for more than 7 days in a row when you take it regularly and that you need "break" periods.  Which is why we alternate on a weekly basis between the echinacea and the Lactobacillus Acidophilus.  I also read that The American Herbal Products Association says that they recommend restricting the use of Echinacea, not to exceed 8 continuous weeks when taking it for an illness.  I also heard they restrict the useage of it in Germany for more than 8 consecutive weeks. Kim

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"Jodi" <hellofromj…@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message

news:10epcqda1tu1987@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "AuntKim2004" <auntkim2…@aol.com> wrote in message > news:20040707222425.06859.00001099@mb-m13.aol.com… > a freeze-dried > > capsule of Lactobacillus Acidophilus, one capsule containing > choline/lecithin, > > lemon balm tea, Echinacea, > I thought you weren’t suppose to take echinacea on a daily basis? I know > next to nothing about vitamins, but i do use echinacea > when i am getting sick.  I think the lady told me i couldn’t take it more > than 10 days. > Jodi

You should definitely NOT take Echinacea on a regular basis. My understanding is that 5-7 days max is pushing it! Otherwise, this sounds like a good combo of vits/supplements/healthy stuff! Jo

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"Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:VfGdnfcEi8diKXHdRVn-gw@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Jodi" <hellofromj…@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message > news:10epcqda1tu1987@corp.supernews.com… > > "AuntKim2004" <auntkim2…@aol.com> wrote in message > > news:20040707222425.06859.00001099@mb-m13.aol.com… > > a freeze-dried > > > capsule of Lactobacillus Acidophilus, one capsule containing > > choline/lecithin, > > > lemon balm tea, Echinacea, > > I thought you weren’t suppose to take echinacea on a daily basis? > I know > > next to nothing about vitamins, but i do use echinacea > > when i am getting sick.  I think the lady told me i couldn’t take it > more > > than 10 days. > > Jodi > You should definitely NOT take Echinacea on a regular basis. My > understanding is that 5-7 days max is pushing it! > Otherwise, this sounds like a good combo of vits/supplements/healthy > stuff! > Jo

Someone in another group was telling me about probiotics. Any thoughts, anyone? (And welcome, Aunt Kim.  I am new here.) Pablo

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"Jan" <greenspa…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040707195542.05745.00001135@mb-m14.aol.com… > A quick update from me since I have been absent lately is that my dad is doing > much better and getting rehab now.

I am so happy for you Jan.  I know how hard it is to go through something like that.  I so glad things are looking up for him. Jodi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jan

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"AuntKim2004" <auntkim2…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040707222425.06859.00001099@mb-m13.aol.com… a freeze-dried > capsule of Lactobacillus Acidophilus, one capsule containing choline/lecithin, > lemon balm tea, Echinacea,

I thought you weren’t suppose to take echinacea on a daily basis?   I know next to nothing about vitamins, but i do use echinacea when i am getting sick.  I think the lady told me i couldn’t take it more than 10 days. Jodi  and 2 teaspoons of an oil that contians Omega-6 and – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Omega-3 fatty acids.  (They alternate weeks in taking the Lactobacillus > Acidophilus and Echinacea) > 30 Minutes before bedtime they drink a cup of "skullcap" tea. > Back in December/January, Katy’s tics increased dramatically for a few weeks. > I couldn’t talk her into getting on meds.  She decided to talk to the owner of > the Whole Foods store we go to every week.  He got back with her a week later, > after consulting with some professionals he knew, this variety of > herbs/vitamins/supplements is what they came up with.  Before starting, I took > a list to her pediatrician and she told me she felt comfortable monitoring both > of the girls if they began taking all of it. > The next day, all three of us began taking everything.  Within about a week, > the tics disappeared in both girls, but it didn’t do anything for me, except > for make me sleep a heck of a lot better, and give me more energy.  It took a > little longer for Carly’s OCD syptoms to go away.  It all also helped Carly > stop sleepwalking, talking in her sleep and the restless leg problem she was > having also disappeared.  We haven’t had any problems what so ever. > According to what I was told, this concoction is supposed to help the brain and > nerves function better, help boost the immune system, and providing a calming > effect.  And by the way, a neighbor of mine has recently began using this > approach with her son who has ADHD.  I babysit him occassionally, and within a > few days noticed a huge difference!  He has been following the plan for about 2 > months now and has calmed down tremendously, not to mention can focus much > better on his summer school classes.  The summer school teachers noticed such a > difference that they notified the school psychologist that they think he ought > to be placed in the gen ed classroom setting for longer periods of time during > the school year. > Both my girls still go to their psychiatrist for bio-feedback once a month, it > was more often in the beginning.  Back in late December when Katy was having > tic troubles, her neck, shoulders and back started bothering her.  Our health > insurance authorized her to have massage therapy by a physical therapist on a > weekly basis for the first 3 months, and bi-weekly for the next 9 months. She > really looks forward to her appointments! > As for excersise, all three of us joined the aerobics program at our local rec > center.  We go twice a week together.  All of us have always been pretty > active, but not so much in the cardio area. > And as for diet changes, it’s strictly organic.  No hormones in the milk or > meat, no pesticides, no antibiotics in the animals, etc.  It’s a little more > expensive, but well worth it, and now that we have a Super Target around here, > we have a great selection to choose from.  Oh, and also we avoid nitrates. > That about sums it all up! > Take care, > Kim

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Thanks for the warm welcome back TSNW, Joanne, KC, Jo, Jan and Jodi! In response to your question Jo: >What type of supplements, etc are the girls on?

Here is the run-down: In the morning, they both take a multi-vitamin along with a freeze-dried capsule of Lactobacillus Acidophilus, one capsule containing choline/lecithin, lemon balm tea, Echinacea, and 2 teaspoons of an oil that contians Omega-6 and Omega-3 fatty acids.  (They alternate weeks in taking the Lactobacillus Acidophilus and Echinacea) 30 Minutes before bedtime they drink a cup of "skullcap" tea. Back in December/January, Katy’s tics increased dramatically for a few weeks. I couldn’t talk her into getting on meds.  She decided to talk to the owner of the Whole Foods store we go to every week.  He got back with her a week later, after consulting with some professionals he knew, this variety of herbs/vitamins/supplements is what they came up with.  Before starting, I took a list to her pediatrician and she told me she felt comfortable monitoring both of the girls if they began taking all of it.   The next day, all three of us began taking everything.  Within about a week, the tics disappeared in both girls, but it didn’t do anything for me, except for make me sleep a heck of a lot better, and give me more energy.  It took a little longer for Carly’s OCD syptoms to go away.  It all also helped Carly stop sleepwalking, talking in her sleep and the restless leg problem she was having also disappeared.  We haven’t had any problems what so ever. According to what I was told, this concoction is supposed to help the brain and nerves function better, help boost the immune system, and providing a calming effect.  And by the way, a neighbor of mine has recently began using this approach with her son who has ADHD.  I babysit him occassionally, and within a few days noticed a huge difference!  He has been following the plan for about 2 months now and has calmed down tremendously, not to mention can focus much better on his summer school classes.  The summer school teachers noticed such a difference that they notified the school psychologist that they think he ought to be placed in the gen ed classroom setting for longer periods of time during the school year.   Both my girls still go to their psychiatrist for bio-feedback once a month, it was more often in the beginning.  Back in late December when Katy was having tic troubles, her neck, shoulders and back started bothering her.  Our health insurance authorized her to have massage therapy by a physical therapist on a weekly basis for the first 3 months, and bi-weekly for the next 9 months.  She really looks forward to her appointments! As for excersise, all three of us joined the aerobics program at our local rec center.  We go twice a week together.  All of us have always been pretty active, but not so much in the cardio area.   And as for diet changes, it’s strictly organic.  No hormones in the milk or meat, no pesticides, no antibiotics in the animals, etc.  It’s a little more expensive, but well worth it, and now that we have a Super Target around here, we have a great selection to choose from.  Oh, and also we avoid nitrates. That about sums it all up!   Take care, Kim

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"AuntKim2004" <auntkim2…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040707002923.19157.00001310@mb-m06.aol.com… > Wow, it sure has been a long time!

It sure has!  Welcome back Kim.  It sounds like you and your girls are doing wonderful.  You have so much to be proud of. Jodi I see that many of you are still around, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> great to see you all again!  I think the last time I posted was during > October…after a bout with several viruses, moving, getting a new job, and > having loads of fun with my girls…I am back! > As for an update, well there is just so much to tell!  I guess the best news is > that both, Katy and Carly have been tic free/OCD free for at least 6 months > now!  After making some nutritional adjustments, adding some supplements, > increasing our physical activity even more, and loads of biofeedback, things > seem to be working in our favor. > Katy is now officially a high school student!  School starts in less than a > month.  She really impressed me when she applied for a 4 year college > scholarship back in January and received it!  It is absolutely wonderful > knowing that she already has managed to cover most of her college educational > expenses before even beginning high school.  She found a church that she feels > very comfortable with and has become very involved in their Outreach program > and youth group..  She has also been volunteering for Habitat for Humanity.  In > fact, she just recently developed and implemented a raffle, completely on her > own and is close to reaching her goal of raising $3000.  And one of my > favorite, she has been doing some speaking at teen events in regards to the > National True Love Waits program, promoting abstinence.  My mom always told me > when I was 14, "just wait, you are a rotten child, but when you are a mother, I > am confident that your own daughter will cause you twice the hell you caused me > at 14!"  So far, I have absolutely nothing to worry about…she is practically > perfect. > Carly is also flourishing!  She got involved with weight lifting about 6 months > ago and puts Halle Berry’s muscular physique to shame!  She has also grown an > unbelievable amount recently.  She has managed to pass me way up…now standing > tall at 5′7".  Where the height came from I will never know.  (Katy’s a little > upset about it all, she hasn’t passed 5′ yet!)  And she is enrolled in hip hop > classes…it is so much fun to watch her dance!  She’s also been volunteering > at a nursing home, helping out with church services and baking classes. She’s > also practically perfect  :-)  I have really been blessed. > As for me, I am finally working again, as an office manager at an in-patient > rehabilitation center.  I love my job and since I seem to be the only one left > with tics, I am grateful that my tics don’t interfere with my job.  We moved a > few months ago and just love our new place.  And I have a new computer! > Yippee! > I have thought about many of you over the past 8 months or so! > Dave, hope the baby is doing great, and mommy and daddy too! > Sara, I have been thinking about you and your little guy a lot lately, hoping > he isn’t having any problems on the Neurontin…been seeing quite a few health > alert commercials regarding that med. > Derek, Katy got your post card a few weeks ago.  It was forwarded by the US > mail system to our new address but took almost a month to reach us.  No return > address on it though!  Katy is excited about being able to email you again in > the near future. > Jo, Katy’s premonitions turned in to something more like intuitions.  I don’t > think there is anything mysterious going on, she just has a very keen sense of > her surroundings.  She had a few more incidents such as the one you and I > discussed, but after carefully reviewing all of them, we were able to discover > that she is just blessed with noticing very small details that could possibly > lead to major problems. > Jan, so nice to see that you turned into a permanent fixture around here! > And to everyone else…I haven’t forgotten about you either, still love TSNW’s > insight, Bonnie’s suggestions, Jodi’s contributions, KC, Blurt, Bart, Joanne, > John, Sandy, great to see you all again! > Take care everyone, > Kim

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"AuntKim2004" <auntkim2…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040707002923.19157.00001310@mb-m06.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wow, it sure has been a long time!  I see that many of you are still around, > great to see you all again!  I think the last time I posted was during > October…after a bout with several viruses, moving, getting a new job, and > having loads of fun with my girls…I am back! > As for an update, well there is just so much to tell!  I guess the best news is > that both, Katy and Carly have been tic free/OCD free for at least 6 months > now!  After making some nutritional adjustments, adding some supplements, > increasing our physical activity even more, and loads of biofeedback, things > seem to be working in our favor. > Katy is now officially a high school student!  School starts in less than a > month.  She really impressed me when she applied for a 4 year college > scholarship back in January and received it!  It is absolutely wonderful > knowing that she already has managed to cover most of her college educational > expenses before even beginning high school.  She found a church that she feels > very comfortable with and has become very involved in their Outreach program > and youth group..  She has also been volunteering for Habitat for Humanity.  In > fact, she just recently developed and implemented a raffle, completely on her > own and is close to reaching her goal of raising $3000.  And one of my > favorite, she has been doing some speaking at teen events in regards to the > National True Love Waits program, promoting abstinence.  My mom always told me > when I was 14, "just wait, you are a rotten child, but when you are a mother, I > am confident that your own daughter will cause you twice the hell you caused me > at 14!"  So far, I have absolutely nothing to worry about…she is practically > perfect. > Carly is also flourishing!  She got involved with weight lifting about 6 months > ago and puts Halle Berry’s muscular physique to shame!  She has also grown an > unbelievable amount recently.  She has managed to pass me way up…now standing > tall at 5′7".  Where the height came from I will never know.  (Katy’s a little > upset about it all, she hasn’t passed 5′ yet!)  And she is enrolled in hip hop > classes…it is so much fun to watch her dance!  She’s also been volunteering > at a nursing home, helping out with church services and baking classes. She’s > also practically perfect  :-)  I have really been blessed. > As for me, I am finally working again, as an office manager at an in-patient > rehabilitation center.  I love my job and since I seem to be the only one left > with tics, I am grateful that my tics don’t interfere with my job.  We moved a > few months ago and just love our new place.  And I have a new computer! > Yippee! > I have thought about many of you over the past 8 months or so! > Dave, hope the baby is doing great, and mommy and daddy too! > Sara, I have been thinking about you and your little guy a lot lately, hoping > he isn’t having any problems on the Neurontin…been seeing quite a few health > alert commercials regarding that med. > Derek, Katy got your post card a few weeks ago.  It was forwarded by the US > mail system to our new address but took almost a month to reach us.  No return > address on it though!  Katy is excited about being able to email you again in > the near future. > Jo, Katy’s premonitions turned in to something more like intuitions.  I don’t > think there is anything mysterious going on, she just has a very keen sense of > her surroundings.  She had a few more incidents such as the one you and I > discussed, but after carefully reviewing all of them, we were able to discover > that she is just blessed with noticing very small details that could possibly > lead to major problems. > Jan, so nice to see that you turned into a permanent fixture around here! > And to everyone else…I haven’t forgotten about you either, still love TSNW’s > insight, Bonnie’s suggestions, Jodi’s contributions, KC, Blurt, Bart, Joanne, > John, Sandy, great to see you all again! > Take care everyone, > Kim

Hi!!! What a fantastic post… I’m so happy everything is going so well for you and your wonderful family. It’s nice to read this optimistic post… so full of life and joy… Your girls are maturing so well… mom and dad are doing a great job!! — Joanne mom to Mat the Amazing!

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"AuntKim2004" <auntkim2…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040707002923.19157.00001310@mb-m06.aol.com… > Wow, it sure has been a long time!  I see that many of you are still around, > great to see you all again!

(snip) Wow!!!   Wonderful news!  Breath of fresh air!  Great to hear from you. Great to hear about your kiddos!  Hope you stay around. still inventing, KC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And to everyone else…I haven’t forgotten about you either, still love TSNW’s > insight, Bonnie’s suggestions, Jodi’s contributions, KC, Blurt, Bart, Joanne, > John, Sandy, great to see you all again! > Take care everyone, > Kim

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>From: auntkim2…@aol.com  (AuntKim2004) >Wow, it sure has been a long time! >Jan, so nice to see that you turned into a permanent fixture around here!  

Thanks for the hello and great update. The girls sound marvelous! A quick update from me since I have been absent lately is that my dad is doing much better and getting rehab now. It’s been about a month and a half since his stroke, then pneumonia. My shift with him is around 11:30 AM until 3:00 ish when my mom comes over. Then my sister relieves her. I have found that you really need to be in these nursing facilities to make sure all is well. One day I was sitting with him and noticed it seemed really quiet. I soon realized his feeding tube (in his stomach) was turned off . By the way the feeding tube is to give him nourishment until the speech therapist retrains his throat muscles. He can now swallow soup. Hurray! I know he’s not out of the woods, but it was good to see him sitting in his chair that we brought over (like in Frasier – his father’s "chair"). Thanks everyone for your prayers – I think it all helped. Jan

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"AuntKim2004" <auntkim2…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040707002923.19157.00001310@mb-m06.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wow, it sure has been a long time!  I see that many of you are still around, > great to see you all again!  I think the last time I posted was during > October…after a bout with several viruses, moving, getting a new job, and > having loads of fun with my girls…I am back! > As for an update, well there is just so much to tell!  I guess the best news is > that both, Katy and Carly have been tic free/OCD free for at least 6 months > now!  After making some nutritional adjustments, adding some supplements, > increasing our physical activity even more, and loads of biofeedback, things > seem to be working in our favor. > Katy is now officially a high school student!  School starts in less than a > month.  She really impressed me when she applied for a 4 year college > scholarship back in January and received it!  It is absolutely wonderful > knowing that she already has managed to cover most of her college educational > expenses before even beginning high school.  She found a church that she feels > very comfortable with and has become very involved in their Outreach program > and youth group..  She has also been volunteering for Habitat for Humanity.  In > fact, she just recently developed and implemented a raffle, completely on her > own and is close to reaching her goal of raising $3000.  And one of my > favorite, she has been doing some speaking at teen events in regards to the > National True Love Waits program, promoting abstinence.  My mom always told me > when I was 14, "just wait, you are a rotten child, but when you are a mother, I > am confident that your own daughter will cause you twice the hell you caused me > at 14!"  So far, I have absolutely nothing to worry about…she is practically > perfect. > Carly is also flourishing!  She got involved with weight lifting about 6 months > ago and puts Halle Berry’s muscular physique to shame!  She has also grown an > unbelievable amount recently.  She has managed to pass me way up…now standing > tall at 5′7".  Where the height came from I will never know. (Katy’s a little > upset about it all, she hasn’t passed 5′ yet!)  And she is enrolled in hip hop > classes…it is so much fun to watch her dance!  She’s also been volunteering > at a nursing home, helping out with church services and baking classes.  She’s > also practically perfect  :-)  I have really been blessed. > As for me, I am finally working again, as an office manager at an in-patient > rehabilitation center.  I love my job and since I seem to be the only one left > with tics, I am grateful that my tics don’t interfere with my job. We moved a > few months ago and just love our new place.  And I have a new computer! > Yippee! > I have thought about many of you over the past 8 months or so! > Dave, hope the baby is doing great, and mommy and daddy too! > Sara, I have been thinking about you and your little guy a lot lately, hoping > he isn’t having any problems on the Neurontin…been seeing quite a few health > alert commercials regarding that med. > Derek, Katy got your post card a few weeks ago.  It was forwarded by the US > mail system to our new address but took almost a month to reach us. No return > address on it though!  Katy is excited about being able to email you again in > the near future. > Jo, Katy’s premonitions turned in to something more like intuitions. I don’t > think there is anything mysterious going on, she just has a very keen sense of > her surroundings.  She had a few more incidents such as the one you and I > discussed, but after carefully reviewing all of them, we were able to discover > that she is just blessed with noticing very small details that could possibly > lead to major problems. > Jan, so nice to see that you turned into a permanent fixture around here! > And to everyone else…I haven’t forgotten about you either, still love TSNW’s > insight, Bonnie’s suggestions, Jodi’s contributions, KC, Blurt, Bart, Joanne, > John, Sandy, great to see you all again! > Take care everyone, > Kim

GREAT to hear all of this, Kim! Wowsa! What type of supplements, etc are the girls on? Keep posting! Jo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Wow, Kim, it’s great to "see" you again !!!  And what a double treat to get a post chock full of good news  … congratulations on all the wonderful escapades of the girls, and enjoy the new house and computer !! — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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Wow, it sure has been a long time!  I see that many of you are still around, great to see you all again!  I think the last time I posted was during October…after a bout with several viruses, moving, getting a new job, and having loads of fun with my girls…I am back!   As for an update, well there is just so much to tell!  I guess the best news is that both, Katy and Carly have been tic free/OCD free for at least 6 months now!  After making some nutritional adjustments, adding some supplements, increasing our physical activity even more, and loads of biofeedback, things seem to be working in our favor. Katy is now officially a high school student!  School starts in less than a month.  She really impressed me when she applied for a 4 year college scholarship back in January and received it!  It is absolutely wonderful knowing that she already has managed to cover most of her college educational expenses before even beginning high school.  She found a church that she feels very comfortable with and has become very involved in their Outreach program and youth group..  She has also been volunteering for Habitat for Humanity.  In fact, she just recently developed and implemented a raffle, completely on her own and is close to reaching her goal of raising $3000.  And one of my favorite, she has been doing some speaking at teen events in regards to the National True Love Waits program, promoting abstinence.  My mom always told me when I was 14, "just wait, you are a rotten child, but when you are a mother, I am confident that your own daughter will cause you twice the hell you caused me at 14!"  So far, I have absolutely nothing to worry about…she is practically perfect. Carly is also flourishing!  She got involved with weight lifting about 6 months ago and puts Halle Berry’s muscular physique to shame!  She has also grown an unbelievable amount recently.  She has managed to pass me way up…now standing tall at 5′7".  Where the height came from I will never know.  (Katy’s a little upset about it all, she hasn’t passed 5′ yet!)  And she is enrolled in hip hop classes…it is so much fun to watch her dance!  She’s also been volunteering at a nursing home, helping out with church services and baking classes.  She’s also practically perfect  :-)  I have really been blessed. As for me, I am finally working again, as an office manager at an in-patient rehabilitation center.  I love my job and since I seem to be the only one left with tics, I am grateful that my tics don’t interfere with my job.  We moved a few months ago and just love our new place.  And I have a new computer! Yippee! I have thought about many of you over the past 8 months or so!   Dave, hope the baby is doing great, and mommy and daddy too!   Sara, I have been thinking about you and your little guy a lot lately, hoping he isn’t having any problems on the Neurontin…been seeing quite a few health alert commercials regarding that med. Derek, Katy got your post card a few weeks ago.  It was forwarded by the US mail system to our new address but took almost a month to reach us.  No return address on it though!  Katy is excited about being able to email you again in the near future. Jo, Katy’s premonitions turned in to something more like intuitions.  I don’t think there is anything mysterious going on, she just has a very keen sense of her surroundings.  She had a few more incidents such as the one you and I discussed, but after carefully reviewing all of them, we were able to discover that she is just blessed with noticing very small details that could possibly lead to major problems.   Jan, so nice to see that you turned into a permanent fixture around here!   And to everyone else…I haven’t forgotten about you either, still love TSNW’s insight, Bonnie’s suggestions, Jodi’s contributions, KC, Blurt, Bart, Joanne, John, Sandy, great to see you all again! Take care everyone, Kim

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TS help needed

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I haven’t posted on this newsgroup for quite a while and so I’ll have to remember to keep the posts that I want to respond to as "unread"…  I’ve lost the posts that I wanted to respond to, so I’ll just make a few comments.  First of all, hello to my old and new friends here! I am a medical technologist by profession and a graduate student in human nutrition.  The form of magnesium that I have found that works well in tic reduction is magnesium taurate.  It is not recommended to use high dose magnesium alone since it can cause deficiencies in other minerals such as zinc and calcium.  Also it is recommended that magnesium be taken with B complex vitamins for better metabolism and utilization.   These and other supplements that I have found to be helpful for movement disorders are in Bontech ts-PLUS CONTROL, formulated to my specifications by Douglas Laboratories, Inc.  I suggest that this be taken with an omega-3 product, ts-PLUS EPA/DHA.  This combination retails and ships for around $100.00 a month (US dollars) in the US for an adult’s one month supply.  It would last longer for a child under 90 pounds. We ship all around the world also.  My website explains alot:  http://bonniegr.com   I have taken out the guesswork in trying to figure out which supplements to put together to be helpful and safe.  I always ask people to check it out with their physicians before starting any supplement plan. My Bontech ts-PLUS CONTROL was developed for my loved one and others with TS who wanted an all-in-one supplement to help them.  It is peripheral, though, to my research that is ongoing at OSU where I am conducting a TS nutritional study based on my hypothesis published in 2002.  Anyone who has children ages 10 to 17 with TS in the central Ohio area and is interested in having them participate in this study (they’ll get $20 for completing the study!) please e-mail me at Bonni…@aol.com by May 15th, 2004. Warm regards, Bonnie http://bonniegr.com Bonni…@aol.com

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‘Twas Mon, 3 May 2004 17:17:37 -0400 when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as "Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> uttered: >Please keep in mind that Calcium and magnesium are not absorbed >without the help of Vitamin D!

Also avoid phosphates, because phosphates prevent absorbtion of calcium and magnesium. — RB |  

Baseball Player with TS

Question:

> So far I haven’t seen evidence to shake >the >notion that this _might_ be a case of >discrimination.

I wonder what NTSA says about it?  

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>Have you, perhaps, seen him doing something that has caused you to "raise an >eyebrow?" >;-)

When someone doesn’t answer a question as to why they are casting aspersions on a public figure’s character, it really makes one wonder, doesn’t it? I haven’t personally seen the TS Baseball Player, but it sure would be interesting to see how his apparent anger/impulse control problems affect his baseball. I guess a good question would be — IF THIS man didn’t have TS, would we be considering him a role model for much of anything?  And, if not, then why on earth are we considering him a role model…just BECAUSE he has TS?  Do we have a lesser standard for TS role models?  I hope not…

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‘Twas 01 Apr 2004 11:03:04 GMT when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as cyberb…@aol.comNONITPlK (NONITPlK) uttered: >The TS Baseball Player must have been very blatant, though, to have been >suspended.  

Not necessarily. >I don’t agree that he might have been discriminated against, as >Randall has suggested (come ON!).

Not necessarily. >I don’t think anyone should excuse this type >of behavior. Rage and aggression should not be excused, even if they might be >part of TS, as in this case.

I agree, but I am not sure what went on here.  Maybe he was "buzzing the tower" a lot, and when he hit someone the league decided to suspend him. But maybe the umpires have been misunderstanding and misinterpreting his tics, and have come to believe that he has a "control problem".  When he hit someone, the umpires reported he was a problem and that’s why the league was so tough on him.  So far I haven’t seen evidence to shake the notion that this _might_ be a case of discrimination. — RB |