Poll: Clinical Depression and SP
Question:
>>LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL >>I’d like to see the charter and if it actually forbids that I’m highly in >>favor of re-writing it, because that is one of the most blatantly absurd >>things I’ve heard in a long time. >Only Ryan, the founder of our group, could change the charter and he >is not currently here to ask. Stop trying to destroy the group! >Morey
Again, I’d like to see the charter. Since he seems to have abandoned the group I don’t think there is anything to stop the majority of users from convening and rewriting it so as to insure that all people with SP have the right to discuss issues important to them. This includes the fact that most people with SP are depressed and may at times be suicidal. The newsgroup and charter are here for people. People are not here for the newsgroup and charter. I’m not trying to destroy the group. I’m trying to make it what it should be. You may not believe in the rule of the majority, but the majority does. You can go on playing the absurd hero however long you like, but if you keep it up you’re going to get trampled.
Response:
In article <36e0848e.34415…@news.erols.com>, mog…@spam.hotmail.com (Morey) wrote: >On 15 Feb 1999 03:06:17 GMT, staring…@aol.com (StaringGrl) wrote: >>morey, seriously. WHY do you even CARE? >I care because I don’t like to be exposed to bad things. Suicidal >thoughts have nothing to do with SP and I therefore have no wish read >about them.
What gives you the right to decide arbitrarily what does and does not have to do with SP? Suicidal thoughts have very *much* to do with SP, and with the isolation that it causes those who suffer from it. In fact, I’m not even sure how you can conceive of it *not* being related. I am sorry that it upsets you to read about it; then again, this is a support group, and things are bound to get a little hairy at times. >>People are gonna talk about whatever they want, you know? >I know that. They have the right to say what they want and I have the >right to tell them how inappropriate it is. That’s the beauty of >usenet.
How can talking about one of the worst problems SP can cause in a person be inappropriate in an SP support group? Jenn "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr.
Response:
Morey, if you feel 90% better than the rest of us, you should be happy. But what I interpret from your posts is that you are miserable and very unhappy. so please, stop blaming everybody else but yourself for your anger…
Response:
Morey wrote in message <36cbddfa.2026…@news.erols.com>… >On Tue, 16 Feb 99 16:51:29 GMT, bb…@freenet.carleton.ca (Jenn >Starkman) wrote: >Jenn, >I realize that you feel strongly about this but that is no excuse to >write rude messages to people on serious subjects. It is immatue and >unladylike. If you wish me to respond to you then please write in a >respectful manner. Until such time things will remain as they are. No >suicide discussions as they are against the newsgroup charter. >Morey
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I’d like to see the charter and if it actually forbids that I’m highly in favor of re-writing it, because that is one of the most blatantly absurd things I’ve heard in a long time.
Response:
In article <36dd7c0a.32234…@news.erols.com>, mog…@spam.hotmail.com (Morey) wrote: >This newsgroup was created because my buddy Ryan had social phobia, not >suicidal depression.
Holy self-importance! First of all, your "buddy Ryan" doesn’t even seem to be here, so the importance of his individual needs doesn’t seem to be paramount for the moment. Secondly, social phobia does not exist in a vacuum. It isolates you from the whole world and if that’s not depressing, I don’t know what is. This is, according to the name, a support group, and what better use for a social phobia support group than to help people who are depressed, etc. due to their SP, and therefore need support. >I think that being overly exposed to people who talk about there suicidal >thoughts is dangerous for the nonsuicidal person. That someone who deals with >there depression without the suicidal thoughts can be influenced in that >direction by hearing about it.
Bullshit. If a person is not suicidal, then they are not going to suddenly up and decide to kill themselves, no matter WHAT you say to them; and if a person IS going to commit suicide, it is not going to be because someone talked about it in front of them. Actually killing yourself (as opposed to having suicidal thoughts, which just about everyone does at some point in their life–usually adolescence) is not something that is entered into easily, even when it’s something you really want. If you’ve reached a point emotionally where you can bring yourself to destroy yourself permanently, it’s not likely that you got there just because of a conversation about suicide–even one that took place when you were depressed. >Do we need that? I don’t think so.
You don’t seem to think about much at all beyond your own needs. Oh, and apparently your buddy Ryan’s. Jenn "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr.
Response:
In article <7a7pra$3q…@camel0.mindspring.com>, "Velvet Elvis" <vlvtel…@softhome.net> wrote: >Morey brought up the point that as this is a SP group and that the points of >depression and suicide are irrelevant and off topic.
I disagree. This is an SP *support* group, and I don’t see how you can discount helping someone who is a social phobic with the resulting depression or suicidal tendencies that can arise from all that isolation. >While some may be lucky enough to escape the d-beast, I was just wondering >how many of you have actually ever had a major depressive episode or >contemplated suicide, regardless of if you ever had it diagnosed.
Most of my life is a major depressive episode <wry grin>, and I’ve more than just contemplated suicide, but since I detailed that in previous posts, I won’t repeat it all here. Jenn "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr.
Response:
Morey wrote in message <36dc0004.34790…@news.erols.com>… >On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:28:10 -0600, "Velvet Elvis" ><vlvtel…@softhome.net> wrote: >>My ADD led to being treated as freak as a kid which led to me getting >>socially isolated and beat up occasionally which led to social phobia and >>depression. >No! Social phobia is caused by a lack of Seritonin and dopamine. >Environmental factors play no part of it. Plenty of people who weren’t >social phobics but like you in the every other way and they grew up to >have full social lives.
There can be a pysiological predisposition. Just because it manifests itself neurochemicly doesn’t mean that life expieriences don’t play a key role in defining our later neurochemical makeup. All thoughts and emotions have their neurochemical underliers. We are the sum of our biology. It’s the whole Nature/Nurture debate again, and I’ve been up and down both sides of that one before and don’t feel like doing it again soon. >> Depression and ADD run in my family as well. I’ve just about >>told all about who I am and where I’m coming from because basically I don’t >>give a shit. I’m ashamed of nothing and have nothing to hide. I am >>getting tired of you trying to to turn every point I make about the validity >>of your assumptions into a personal discussion about me. >I am sorry that you don’t enjoy debating with me. I remind you that
I enjoy debate, but you keep bringing it back to my personal issues which is not what this is about. I’m not attacking your personal issues and you try and make the entire discussion be about mine. >you’re the one who started all this in your post ‘putting my foot >down’. You then started this thread in a pointless attempt to show >that more people agreed with you then with me. What did you expect me
It proved my point. How was that pointless? >to do? I told you from the very begginning I saw this as a debate and >an intellectual exercise. As far as it turning into a personal >discussion about you? What’s wrong with that? You are suggesting that
It’s not about me. It’s about the fact that you make unsubstantiated claims, treat them as fact and this has a potentialy harmful effect. Just because in your little world people who come here shouldn’t be suicidal and free to talk about how SP makes them feel that way doesn’t make it so in the real world. >we HARM the mental health of the people in this group because
With the exception of you, most are allready there. Hearing about how the world is for most people shouldn’t harm anyone unless they are alleady predisposed to depression and suicidal ideations. >>care about your feelings to another group. You want to change the >charter as defined by our group founder Ryan. You obviously want >individual attention focused on you and your problems. Well I’m giving >you attention.
I’m not seeking attention for myself. I don’t want attention focused on my problems. What I want attention focused on is the fact that you are being a socialy irresponsable kook whose behaivior is potentialy harmfull to the human race. You spew bullshit like every word you say is coated in gold and it’s time someone called you on it. <bullshit snipped> >That’s why I’m giving you all this attention. I wouldn’t write this >much stuff to you if I didn’t care about your welfare.
I’m laughing my ass of at that one too – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I’m laughing my ass off at this >>one here. >Keep laughing. Maybe it will lighten your depression. >>>> I think this >>>>is the proper forum for the discussion of such issues. >>>I agree to a point. Feeling down in the dumps because of social phobia >>>is nothing new and it is acceptable to express those feelings when >>>they are the DIRECT result of social phobia. You have tons of other >>>issues such as your tourette’s syndrome, ADD, and history of Drug >>>abuse just to name a few. I’m sure there are other things you haven’t >>>even told us about. I honestly feel for you but at the same time I >>>think to myself ‘but for the grace of God go I". >>They are all the direct result of social phobia, or at least related. >You are wrong! You blame everything on SP. It’s become an excuse for >you.
Well, both my therpist and pdoc concur, as well as the therapist I saw before my current one. >> In fact I’m laughing >>my ass off over it. >You can laugh all you want. I’m still happy and your still miserable.
If you are so fucking happy why are you here? >>>> There is no >>>>separating the two. >>>The processes in the brain that cause anxiety disorders and depression >>>are completely different. Depression that runs in families is >>>currently been shown to be the result of the patient having less brain >>>cells than a normal person. Manic Depressants have even fewer brain >>>cells. On the other hand Anxiety disorders like Social Phobia are from >>>a shortage of seritonin and dopamine to certain regions of the brain. >>Quote your sources on that one. >I did in another post to Unperplexed.
and he shot you down >>>fine for you to post about your social problems here but for the love >>>of God can you spare us your thoughts on how suicidal you are. It is
I’m not suicidal. My point is that those with social phobia have the potential to be suicidal and this needs to be accounted for when giving advice to all new people who come in asking questions about medication. >>I’m not the only one as the poll I gave has proven. >> You’re in the >>minority. >Like I said, I don’t care! Keep mentioning it if it makes you feel >better. >>I’m not currently suicidal and have not been for years. >That great. I am happy for you. Why are you always talking about it >then?
Because you refuse to see how your actions could be harmfull to the depressed people who come in here seeking advice. >>I live a rather hermitlike existence as I tend to be a bit agoraphobic as >>well. >alt.support.agoraphobia
I’ve been lurking there but haven’t posted much. I’ve never even been diagnosed with agoraphobia. SP is my primary diagnosis. >> I’m currently trying to get on SSI. >I’m on it. It took a year and a half to get on. Do you have a lawyer?
no >>I get the urge. I’m getting real tired of explaining myself to you, but >>then again I’m ashamed of no aspect of my existence and have nothing to >>hide. >I’m not forcing you to do anything. BTW are you violent? I hate to >think I’m questioning someone who’ll want to kill me for it.
Only on Thursdays. >>I don’t obsesses about how depressed I am. I generally obsesses over >>political, philosophical, and religious issues. I accept the fact that I’m >>real fucking depressed and have been for a long time and move on with it. >Why don’t you also go to groups that resolve around those subjects. It >might lift your mood.
I do. I mostly stick to irc forums. I come here because there are no SP support channels worth noticing on irc that I’ve found. >You are free to go to dejanews and check for yourself. What I can tell >you is that when I first came here there were 5 posts a day to 150 >post a day when I first left 2 months ago. I think that says >something. I pretty much ran the group back then.
So people come in who know what they are talking about and start to make you look bad. No wonder you are so angry. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>p.s. In regards to your constant attempts to show that a majority of >>>people agree with you: I could care less! I don’t believe in democracy >>>or believe that just because more than 50% of people think something >>>makes them right. History has shown conclusively that when you put the >>>’people’ in charge everything goes to hell.
Response:
Hi Morey, Thanks for responding… I tried to search for the article, registered at Newsday and the whole bit… but couldn’t find it. Anyway, I just want to point out that your interpretation of the study may be a bit misleading… It does not appear that the study is indicating that depressive people have fewer brain cells than normal people, merely that their brains are different. I think the important word is "key" support cells. Supportive of what, that is unclear. I think we have to be really careful when we interpret journalist reports of scientific studies. I took a course in this (my education is mostly scientific, but my passions are not related at all to science), and learned that the reports are often biased and misleading, and sometimes completely inaccurate or false. For example, a study found that intelligence may be on the female sex chromosome (the "X"), and the title of the report in the paper was something like "Perhaps men should consider brains over beauty when choosing their mates." This is a completely erroneous deduction of the study. (Go directly to the source– the studies. I personally do not have a large amount of faith in the popular media.) Sorry for going so off topic. I just wanted to make it clear that I am not accusing *you* of misreading or misleading; it happens often in the media because journalists study journalism, not science. The implications of a scientific study are often exaggerated, in the least. Main point: depression is most often linked to low seritonin/dopamine levels. The fact that depressive dead people have slightly different brains than "normal" dead people could be a cause of the reduced "happy" chemicals (seritonin, dopamine), or the reduced chemicals may cause the brain abnormality, or they may simply be correlated or not related at all… Just another way to look at it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Morey wrote: > >> The processes in the brain that cause anxiety disorders and depression > >> are completely different. Depression that runs in families is > >> currently been shown to be the result of the patient having less brain > >> cells than a normal person. Manic Depressents have even fewer brain > >> cells. On the other hand Anxiety disorders like Social Phobia are from > >> a shortage of seritonin and dopamine to certain regions of the brain. > >Morey, > >I am interested in seeing this study about brain cells. Where could I find > >it? I have heard the exact opposite… I’ll get back to you about just > >where I’ve heard this. > >Thanks > I couldn’t find it at any of the regular websites. I read it in my > local newspaper Newsday. I went to there website > http://library.newsday.com and did a search of ‘depression brain > cells’ and found the article: > > Brain Study Finds Depression Clue / A > > severe depletion of key support cells > > Scientists have found a severe depletion of > > key cells in the brains of people who died with > > depressive illness. The finding is the first > > physical evidence that depression and manic > > depression may be triggered by a specific > > abnormality in the brain…. Author: Jamie Talan; > > Size: 4K; 10-21-1997; Page Number: A08; > > Section: News > To get the full article you need to pay for it. Hope this helped. > Morey
Response:
>>I’m depressed because of my social phobia, as are most of us. >I know that I have not heard your entire story but from what I have >heard so far I would say your depressed for a whole lot more reasons >than your social phobia. S.P may actually be only a minor part of it.
My ADD led to being treated as freak as a kid which led to me getting socially isolated and beat up occasionally which led to social phobia and depression. Depression and ADD run in my family as well. I’ve just about told all about who I am and where I’m coming from because basically I don’t give a shit. I’m ashamed of nothing and have nothing to hide. I am getting tired of you trying to to turn every point I make about the validity of your assumptions into a personal discussion about me. >To my knowledge you are the most mentally sick person here.
Too bad it’s not your place to judge. Too bad I don’t care about your opinion. And if I was the most sick person here, wouldn’t that indicate that I am most needing of a support forum as opposed to someone who claims to be one of the most together people here? I’m laughing my ass off at this one here. >> I think this >>is the proper forum for the discussion of such issues. >I agree to a point. Feeling down in the dumps because of social phobia >is nothing new and it is acceptable to express those feelings when >they are the DIRECT result of social phobia. You have tons of other >issues such as your tourette’s syndrome, ADD, and history of Drug >abuse just to name a few. I’m sure there are other things you haven’t >even told us about. I honestly feel for you but at the same time I >think to myself ‘but for the grace of God go I".
They are all the direct result of social phobia, or at least related. You have a lot of fucking audacity to tell me to leave. In fact I’m laughing my ass off over it. >> There is no >>separating the two. >The processes in the brain that cause anxiety disorders and depression >are completely different. Depression that runs in families is >currently been shown to be the result of the patient having less brain >cells than a normal person. Manic Depressants have even fewer brain >cells. On the other hand Anxiety disorders like Social Phobia are from >a shortage of seritonin and dopamine to certain regions of the brain.
Quote your sources on that one. That’s bullshit again. What do you think SSRI stands for? Selective Seritonin Reuptake Inhibitor. They function by preventing seritonin from being reabsorbed at the production site of the neuron. The fact that this class of drugs is indicated for the treatment of both anxiety and depression would seem to be indicative of the fact that the disorders are quite closely related. >is making ASSP your depression surplus group. We are people who’s MAIN >problem is Social Phobia. You have several main problems. I think it’s >fine for you to post about your social problems here but for the love >of God can you spare us your thoughts on how suicidal you are. It is
I’m not the only one as the poll I gave has proven. You’re in the minority. I’m not currently suicidal and have not been for years. >I notice you post many times throughout the day. Do you do anything >else? Has it occurred to you that spending your entire day obsessing >about how depressed you are is never going to make you feel better. It >will make things worse.
I live a rather hermitlike existence as I tend to be a bit agoraphobic as well. I’m currently trying to get on SSI. I spend about 10 hours a day on the puter. As a result of my ADD I’m able to multitask well. For example I am now talking to 4 people on irc, following 2 irc channels, talking to two people on ICQ, working on a webpage and have word open to the novel that I’ve been writing on as inspiration strikes me. I prolly check my mail and newsgroups 20 times a day or so and respond to anything that seems worthy as I get the urge. I’m getting real tired of explaining myself to you, but then again I’m ashamed of no aspect of my existence and have nothing to hide. I don’t obsesses about how depressed I am. I generally obsesses over political, philosophical, and religious issues. I accept the fact that I’m real fucking depressed and have been for a long time and move on with it. >I’ve been here about 6 months and in that time we have had lots of >people make there posts about how suicidal they are. Except for you >they have all left within a week. (Bubbleghost came here before me and
Maybe that’s because you drive them off? p.s. In regards to your constant attempts to show that a majority of >people agree with you: I could care less! I don’t believe in democracy >or believe that just because more than 50% of people think something >makes them right. History has shown conclusively that when you put the >’people’ in charge everything goes to hell.
I’m a neo-liberal anarchist, so we seem to be at ideological odds on just about every issue under the sun. Somehow that doesn’t suppress me. True representative government has never existed so you have no historical precedent on which to base that assumption
Response:
Morey wrote: > On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:21:20 -0600, "Velvet Elvis" > <vlvtel…@softhome.net> wrote: > <snipped> > > There is no > >seperating the two. > The processes in the brain that cause anxiety disorders and depression > are completely different. Depression that runs in families is > currently been shown to be the result of the patient having less brain > cells than a normal person. Manic Depressents have even fewer brain > cells. On the other hand Anxiety disorders like Social Phobia are from > a shortage of seritonin and dopamine to certain regions of the brain.
Morey, I am interested in seeing this study about brain cells. Where could I find it? I have heard the exact opposite… I’ll get back to you about just where I’ve heard this. Thanks
Response:
Hi Morey, You wrote: > This baiting of your is beneath you..
I’m sorry you feel that way, Morey. I wasn’t "baiting" you nor asking you anything I wouldn’t ask anyone else in the same situation. If I was wrong, you could have simply told me that. At least I cared. > I am not going threw the same > little battle you are. Quite honestly I’m better off in every way than > at least 90% of you people. My problem is Social Phobia and that’s why > I post here. If you are so depressed then you have a responsibility to > go to the proper newsgroup and talk about it there just like I post > about my other interests in other newsgroups when I’m so inclined.
[Snipped] > This reminds me of what you said to Nick when you first came here. You > told him that SP was caused by his parents and if he didn’t see it > then he was in denial. You were wrong then and your wrong now.
Somehow, Morey, I think you could have been a little nicer to someone who was trying to be your friend. I don’t think I’ll be making the same mistake twice. Jesus. *Must* everyone be so goddamned MEAN in here? Bonnie
Response:
Morey wrote in message <36c87bd7.947…@news.erols.com>… >On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:37:44 -0600, Bonnie <skyel…@yahoo.com> wrote: >This baiting of your is beneath you.. I am not going threw the same >little battle you are. Quite honestly I’m better off in every way than >at least 90% of you people. My problem is Social Phobia and that’s why >I post here. If you are so depressed then you have a responsibility to >go to the proper newsgroup and talk about it there just like I post >about my other interests in other newsgroups when I’m so inclined.
I’m depressed because of my social phobia, as are most of us. I think this is the proper forum for the discussion of such issues. There is no seperating the two. Besides, have you ever tried to read alt.support. depression? It’s a madhouse. I do frequent and help run a couple depression support channels on irc. >I’m sure Velvet Elvis will be the only one who regularly talks about >it. I will remind him that it’s off topic just as he complains about >the good advice I give when it comes to klonopin.
What about TikiJet’s "Is There hope?" post that was just made? I think most everyone talks about it pretty regularly and you’re so ingrossed in arguing with people that you miss it all.
Response:
On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:32:15 -0600, "Velvet Elvis" <vlvtel…@softhome.net> wrote: >In our debate on topic of the appropriateness of his making unfounded >negative claims regarding medications that could indirectly prevent someone >from getting depressed and committing suicide Morey brought up the point >that as this is a SP group and that the points of depression and suicide are >irrelevant and off topic. I feel that my depression stems from SP and that >this is the most appropriate forum for it to be discussed in. While some >may be lucky enough to escape the d-beast, I was just wondering how many of >you have actually ever had a major depressive episode or contemplated >suicide, regardless of if you ever had it diagnosed. >later, >Joe
severely depressed since 6th grade. 6 suicide attempts. Sucidal thoughts constantly flood my consciousness. One look at me and you know I am severely depressed. My depressed countenance seemd to give other people the right to step on me. That increases my SP, which increases my depression and so forth. People with SP, absent depression and suicidal thoughts are extrememly lucky.
Response:
I have been depressed for 10 years now, and it is caused by social phobia. I think the 2 go together. *** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ***
Response:
Velvet Elvis wrote: > irrelevant and off topic. I feel that my depression stems from SP and that > this is the most appropriate forum for it to be discussed in. While some > may be lucky enough to escape the d-beast, I was just wondering how many of > you have actually ever had a major depressive episode or contemplated > suicide, regardless of if you ever had it diagnosed. > later, > Joe
Hi Joe, My therapist says I’m chronically depressed, something I hardly notice as it is not as painful as the really bad episodes I’ve had over the past 26+ years. The term "really bad" taking into account being able to do nothing but lie in bed all day, crying all day, eating too much or not enough, feeling so dragged out and tired it is an effort to stay alive, feeling like I’m in a dark hole with no way out, and feeling like suicide would be the only way to end the pain. I don’t know how my depression and SP are related, seeing as how I also have agoraphobia, panic disorder, GAD, and SAD. But I do believe that SP itself can definitely be connected with major depression. Take care, Val ———–== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==———- http://www.newsfeeds.com/ The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ———–== Over 66,000 Groups, Plus a Dedicated Binaries Server ==———-
Response:
I never had a real depression or seriously considered suicide. Of course I have have been depressed, but never had a real depression. When I’m depressed it usually last, at the very max., a day. Of course suicide has crossed my mind – I think all people probably at some point think of it, in some degree – but I have never really considered it… Take care! Mia.
Response:
On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:32:15 -0600, "Velvet Elvis" <vlvtel…@softhome.net> wrote:
(—) > I was just wondering how many of >you have actually ever had a major depressive episode or contemplated >suicide, regardless of if you ever had it diagnosed.
I have. Marie Strega — Read my words, and only my words. Looking for a hidden message between the lines will only cause misunderstanding. I am very literal.
Response:
———- In article <7a7pra$3q…@camel0.mindspring.com>, "Velvet Elvis" <vlvtel…@softhome.net> wrote:
snipped , I was just wondering how many of > you have actually ever had a major depressive episode or contemplated > suicide, regardless of if you ever had it diagnosed. > later, > Joe
S.P. is most certainly the cause of my many bouts of depression and one suicide attempt. I have allways been an upbeat, positive person about everything in life, I only become hopelessly morose when I let my lack of progress battling S.P. get to me. Hans
Response:
It seems that everyone upto now (except Morey) thinks depression/suicidal thoughts is a cause, part of, or because of SP, therefore it is very *on* topic. For me, I didn’t become depressed until I had suffered with SP for quite a while. It was a slow build up of everything failing for me, until one day I thought what’s the point I may as well end it all. I am now trying to live with SP as I don’t think I can change, and my depression is better since Paxil, but I still have bad days. We should IMO, be able to discuss these things, as they seem to go hand-in-hand with SP. Jo.
Response:
Hi Morey, You wrote: > Whats that suppose to mean? All I am saying is that it shouldn’t be a > main topic of conversation for posters who feel that way. This > newsgroup was created because my buddy Ryan had social phobia, not > suicidal depression. I think that being overly exposed to people who > talk about there suicidal thoughts is dangerous for the nonsuicidal > person.
If a person is truly non-suicidal, then any discussion of suicide would not be the least bit dangerous. Why would you think that? Do you think it’s contagious? :-) > That someone who deals with there depression without the > suicidal thoughts can be influenced in that direction by hearing > about it. Do we need that? I don’t think so.
One thing I notice here, Morey: the subjects of depression and suicide seem to be *very* sensitive for you. I can tell it really upsets you. Are you afraid, little bro? I’m not trying to pick at you, but I’m sensing things go a little deeper with you. Are you waging a battle yourself? Don’t answer that if it’s too private, but please know this: while if you are presently in a depression or considering suicide and are in denial of it, others may want to discuss their feelings about it. That’s what a support group is for – any support group is going to deal with these subjects once in a while. It’s unhealthy to suppress these feelings and thoughts. May I suggest something, little bro? Skip over the posts about depression and suicide, until you are fully ready to deal with these subjects within yourself. Thoughts and feelings about depression and suicide are frightening and overwhelming at times, so it’s not unusual for someone to be in some sort of denial about them. It’s also nothing to be ashamed about – I actually think most people, at one time or another, think at least fleetingly of suicide for all sorts of different reasons. Hope this helped put things in perspective for you, Morey. Bonnie
Response:
On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:32:15 -0600, "Velvet Elvis" <vlvtel…@softhome.net> wrote:
I was just wondering how many of >you have actually ever had a major depressive episode or contemplated >suicide, regardless of if you ever had it diagnosed. >later, >Joe
Me–I too, have always tried to tell shrinks and assorted clinical types that my depression was the result of my anxieties. They wear you down and out, and you get to feeling like there’s no hope–like you’ll never be "cured", and the idea of feeling like this for the rest of your life can make you welcome death as a release…. SC
Response:
Velvet Elvis <vlvtel…@softhome.net> wrote:
: this is the most appropriate forum for it to be discussed in. While some : may be lucky enough to escape the d-beast, I was just wondering how many of : you have actually ever had a major depressive episode or contemplated : suicide, regardless of if you ever had it diagnosed. I’ve been on FMLA for the past six weeks with a major depressive episode. I’ve suffered from low-level depression for decades and have contemplated suicide on some occasions. The sorry part of it all is that my coping skills are so good that I go for a long time before seeking help, and then I get into a spiral. Quitting my job with the credit card company has helped; I feel like anything will be a step up for me now. Ask me in three weeks, though, and I may have a different story. :) — Debbie "I have brain cells that will remember this evening…and I want them DESTROYED!" – Mary Albright, 3rd Rock from the Sun
Response:
i have so many damn things wrong with me that it’s ridiculous. some are related to SP some i’m not dure of. depression seems to be linked in a lot of ways. *LiZ* glass…@aol.com "What do you think you are, for Christ Sake, crazy or something? Well, you’re not! You’re not! You’re no crazier than the average asshole out walking around on the streets and that’s it!" -Jack Nicholson "One Flew Over the Cuck
Response:
>Whats that suppose to mean? All I am saying is that it shouldn’t be a >main topic of conversation for posters who feel that way. This >newsgroup was created because my buddy Ryan had social phobia, not >suicidal depression.
lol… morey, seriously. WHY do you even CARE? People are gonna talk about whatever they want, you know? I mean who the hell wants to read about you and you feelings towards Pam, Bonnie, etc ? That’s certainly not related to SP. the fact is that this is a newsgroup for social phobics and according to Velvet Elvis’ post thing a bunch of us feel that depression (which sometimes leads to suicidal thoughts) is linked to social phobia. They’re depressed because they can’t make friends, can’t do certain "normal" things. and i think that’s the case with most people in here. but, whatever..you obviously have the right to your opinion and thanks for sharing it. *LiZ* glass…@aol.com "Walk softly and carry an armored tank division." -Jack Nicholson "A Few Good Men"
Response:
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Morey wrote in message <36dd7c0a.32234…@news.erols.com>… >On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:22:59 -0600, Bonnie <skyel…@yahoo.com> wrote: >>Joe, for what it’s worth, I think the topics of depression and/or >>suicide go hand in hand with S.P. It’s no more off topic than >>blushing – some SP-ers blush, some don’t – and we’ve certainly >>talked about that in here. As far as I’m concerned, these discussions >>about depression and/or suicide DO belong in here. Too bad we feel >>we have to fight just to talk about them. :-( >Whats that suppose to mean? All I am saying is that it shouldn’t be a >main topic of conversation for posters who feel that way. This >newsgroup was created because my buddy Ryan had social phobia, not >suicidal depression. I think that being overly exposed to people who >talk about there suicidal thoughts is dangerous for the nonsuicidal >person. That someone who deals with there depression without the >suicidal thoughts can be influenced in that direction by hearing >about it. Do we need that? I don’t think so. >Morey >>Bonnie
Well. It happens and I’m pretty sure you are in the minority mori. If it makes you feel any better I’ll start spoilering my posts that deal with these topics just like they do with posts dealing with cutting or religious issues in asd. The fact remains that the majority of the people who come in here are inclined to be both depressed and sometimes suicidal and that for you to tell them not to take the medication that their doctors tell them they need may well make their problems worse.. By your saying that it may be dangerous to the non-suicidal people to hear talk about these subjects, you are indicating that they already have the predisposition to become suicidal. Again, I think that we need to treat every new poster as if they are potentially suicidal. This should entail encouraging them to follow their treatment plan as set out my their physicians. I think any suicide talk on here is going to be countered by many strong anti-suicide posts and I’m sure the prevailing message from the group is going to be anti-suicide. This isn’t alt.suicide.holiday for sure.
