Leslie Packer: Queen of the Kooks
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TR Rules wrote: > MARK! What do you want to do that for? Don’t you know that if you put ast > goodies out in the sun, they will DRAW those kind of pesky insects? > Sheesh, are you bored or somethin’? > Tongue firmly in cheek, > Arlene > 276/258/160—-started Atkins 2/21/99
Arlene, Unless I replied to a posting here on ast and it happened to have more than one group on it I did not cross post. Hey, don’t I have enough trouble already without going out and looking for more? What’d ya think I am? Nuts or something. On second thought forget that last question. BB2 and Haggis just leave it alone unless you want some more of what you have already had from me. Mark
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -lilh…@earthlink.net wrote: > TR Rules wrote: > > MARK! What do you want to do that for? Don’t you know that if you put ast > > goodies out in the sun, they will DRAW those kind of pesky insects? > > Sheesh, are you bored or somethin’? > > Tongue firmly in cheek, > > Arlene > > 276/258/160—-started Atkins 2/21/99 > Arlene, > Unless I replied to a posting here on ast and it happened to have more than one > group on it I did not cross post.
Yes, you did do that. It’s helpful to point it out to other people when it happens, because it then can bring the mess from the other ng over here to us. One way to avoid having that happen is to remove the cross-posting when responding…or to not respond at all to posts that are cross-posted to multiple groups. > Hey, don’t I have enough trouble already > without going out and looking for more? What’d ya think I am? Nuts or something. > On second thought forget that last question. > BB2 and Haggis just leave it alone unless you want some more of what you have > already had from me.
Give it a rest, Mark … BB2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mark
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -lilh…@earthlink.net wrote: > BlessedBy2 wrote: > > Mark is cross-posting flames to several other newsgroups, which is a > > guaranteed invitation to bring all of THOSE folks over here to ast to return > > the flames … > > Fun. > > BB2 > BB2, > Now I know your totally crackers. AST is the only group that I ever read. Where > in the hell did you get the idea that I was cross posting? I knew you had > problems but this is ridiculous. To which group am I supposedly cross posting? > Mark
This one, Mark. The entire post is given below – notice the cross-posting. It happened because the post you were responding to was cross-posted and you didn’t remove the cross-posting. A natural mistake, but I like to help others avoid making the same mistake, and let them know that if a flame results, it’s not from our newsgroup. BB2 – aka Crackers Subject: Re: Leslie Packer: Queen of the Kooks Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 17:07:11 -0500 From: lilh…@earthlink.net Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.support.tourette References: 1 , 2 Cheryl Ellis wrote: > Why don’t you take a flying leap to another group and leave those of us > alone who want to listen to who we want??????
AMEN!!! Haggis, are you listening also? Mark
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In article <372E432E.4FA0D…@home.com>, BlessedBy2 <blessed…@home.com> writes: >This one, Mark. >The entire post is given below – notice the cross-posting. It happened >because the post you were responding to was cross-posted and you didn’t remove >the cross-posting. A natural mistake, but I like to help others avoid making the >same mistake, and let them know that if a flame results, it’s not from our >newsgroup.
BB2, I couldn’t help but notice this. Since you’re on AOL too, can you tell me how to avoid cross-posting? I read my messages offline (I’m thinking that you do, too). I wouldn’t have a CLUE as to how to "remove the cross-posting," or even if it’s necessary on AOL. {General rant: You’d think the ORIGINAL poster who cross-posted would be responsible for fixing this, why should we have to do it anyway? <scowling>} I know it’s OT, but can you tell me how you do it, if you do it? {Geez, that sounded dumb. 
} At your leisure, Arlene 276/258/160—-started Atkins 2/21/99 FAQ http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=381302050 http://people.delphi.com/elizjack/lowcarb.txt http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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In article <372E3E48.460AC…@earthlink.net>, lilh…@earthlink.net writes: >Hey, don’t I have enough trouble already >without going out and looking for more? What’d ya think I am? Nuts or >something. On second thought forget that last question.
ROTFLOL! You’re in luck – my memory is low tonight anyways. Now, what was the question? <evil grin> Arlene 276/258/160—-started Atkins 2/21/99 FAQ http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=381302050 http://people.delphi.com/elizjack/lowcarb.txt http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -TR Rules wrote: > In article <372E432E.4FA0D…@home.com>, BlessedBy2 <blessed…@home.com> > writes: > >This one, Mark. > >The entire post is given below – notice the cross-posting. It happened > >because the post you were responding to was cross-posted and you didn’t remove > >the cross-posting. A natural mistake, but I like to help others avoid making > the > >same mistake, and let them know that if a flame results, it’s not from our > >newsgroup. > BB2, I couldn’t help but notice this. Since you’re on AOL too, can you tell me > how to avoid cross-posting?
Arlene (and all other AOL posters …), it’s not an option on AOL. AOL will ONLY respond to the newsgroup you are reading … even if you respond to a cross-posted post, it will ONLY go to the newsgroup you are on. AOL doesn’t let you cross- post, so you don’t have to even worry about it. On OTHER servers with real readers/browsers, when you hit reply, you have the option to DELETE the cross-posted groups and respond only to the group you’re on. But, to what avail? If the flamer is from another group, why respond to us alone anyway? In other words, unless you want to cross-post, why respond to a cross-posted post, as the original author won’t see your response anyway … > I read my messages offline (I’m thinking that you > do, too).
LOL … I was never able to figure that out, even though Pamzee1 sent me an encyclopedia explaining how to do it once !!! I’m live ! > I wouldn’t have a CLUE as to how to "remove the cross-posting," or > even if it’s necessary on AOL. > {General rant: You’d think the ORIGINAL poster who cross-posted would be > responsible for fixing this, why should we have to do it anyway? <scowling>}
ahhhhh … therein lies the rub, my dear … anyone who cross-posted might not have had the best of intentions to begin with ) And on the Kook threads, the cross-posts are specifically aimed at stirring us up … which is why they are best ignored … > I know it’s OT, but can you tell me how you do it, if you do it? {Geez, that > sounded dumb. } > At your leisure,
My leisure <exhausted grin> … I logged on tonight, after struggling still to help my son catch up on four days worth of schoolwork, five missed tests, three overdue book reports, etc … and was SO happy to see your thorough and thoughtful posts on all the newbie threads, as I have *no* leisure tonight … so I’m paying you back for taking such good care of the new folks Rest assured, AOL is too dumb to let its subscribers cross-post or do any other manipulation of header info !! (Randall taught me that … ) BB2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Arlene > 276/258/160—-started Atkins 2/21/99 > FAQ > http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=381302050 > http://people.delphi.com/elizjack/lowcarb.txt > http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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In article <372E61C0.D02E6…@home.com>, BlessedBy2 <blessed…@home.com> writes: >> I read my messages offline (I’m thinking that you >> do, too). >LOL … I was never able to figure that out, even though Pamzee1 sent me an >encyclopedia explaining how to do it once !!! I’m live !
Then you and I simply MUST get together on this one day – if it weren’t for offline reading, my phone line would have been tied up for the past two years! >> I wouldn’t have a CLUE as to how to "remove the cross-posting," or >> even if it’s necessary on AOL. >> {General rant: You’d think the ORIGINAL poster who cross-posted would be >> responsible for fixing this, why should we have to do it anyway? ><scowling>} >ahhhhh … therein lies the rub, my dear … anyone who cross-posted might >not have had the best of intentions to begin with ) And on the Kook threads, the >cross-posts are specifically aimed at stirring us up … which is why they >are best ignored …
Amen to that!!! Arlene 276/258/160—-started Atkins 2/21/99 FAQ http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=381302050 http://people.delphi.com/elizjack/lowcarb.txt http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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In article <372E61C0.D02E6…@home.com>, BlessedBy2 <blessed…@home.com> writes: >Arlene (and all other AOL posters …), it’s not an option on AOL. AOL will ONLY >respond to the newsgroup you are reading … even if you respond to a cross-posted >post, it will ONLY go to the newsgroup you are on. AOL doesn’t let you cross- >post, so you don’t have to even worry about it.
<snip> >Rest assured, AOL is too dumb to let its subscribers cross-post or do any >other manipulation of header info !! (Randall taught me that … ) >BB2
HOOORRRRAAAAAYYY!!! AOL and I are MADE for each other, then! :-) {skipping merrily through the living room in her nightgown, astounding her children, but knowing that she will NEVER have to worry about cross-posting again!} BB2, now that I’m finished with my happy dance – I hope your son is doing better now, and that you’ll get those labs back real soon. After hearing your experience, I cooked some scrambled eggs for my son. Believe me, you could have bounced them 3 feet high if you’d dropped them on the floor. Arlene 276/258/160—-started Atkins 2/21/99 FAQ http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=381302050 http://people.delphi.com/elizjack/lowcarb.txt http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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TR Rules wrote: > Then you and I simply MUST get together on this one day – if it weren’t for > offline reading, my phone line would have been tied up for the past two years! >
I solved that by getting my @home cable modem account, which works only when it doesn’t have a headache, necessitating my keeping AOL as well … besides, I have to keep AOL for the boys. Anyway, since they installed a noise filter on the cable line on the street outside my house, my @home headache seems to be solved … but I still prefer AOL for e-mail, and I have all of my TS reference links on AOL, so I have to go over there whenever someone needs a website … but if the cable modem is truly finally fixed, I’ll move things over here eventually. BB2
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TR Rules wrote: > HOOORRRRAAAAAYYY!!! AOL and I are MADE for each other, then! :-)
I know what you mean > {skipping merrily through the living room in her nightgown, astounding her > children, but knowing that she will NEVER have to worry about cross-posting > again!} > BB2, now that I’m finished with my happy dance – I hope your son is doing > better now, and that you’ll get those labs back real soon.
Just as if nothing had ever happened … very strange … should have labs tomorrow or next day. Doctors who were at my house at the Sunday affair all thought it was a virus gone into severe gastroenteritis, but I still think it was either the eggs or giardia … we’ll see ) Cook those eggs !!! BB2 Who Barely Knows What A Juicer Is <G> But Was NOT Personally Responsible for the Runny Eggs ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After hearing your > experience, I cooked some scrambled eggs for my son. Believe me, you could have > bounced them 3 feet high if you’d dropped them on the floor. > Arlene > 276/258/160—-started Atkins 2/21/99 > FAQ > http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=381302050 > http://people.delphi.com/elizjack/lowcarb.txt > http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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BlessedBy2 wrote: > TR Rules wrote: > > HOOORRRRAAAAAYYY!!! AOL and I are MADE for each other, then! :-) > I know what you mean
Oops … that didn’t look right on replay !!! Should be: I know what you mean It’s just the right speed for me as well ! BB2
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lilh…@earthlink.net writes: >Cheryl Ellis wrote: >> Why don’t you take a flying leap to another group and leave those of us >> alone who want to listen to who we want?????? >AMEN!!! Haggis, are you listening also? >Mark
Loud and clear, Mark sweetie! Are you…? -Haggis
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Haggis Reg wrote: > lilh…@earthlink.net writes: > >Cheryl Ellis wrote: > >> Why don’t you take a flying leap to another group and leave those of us > >> alone who want to listen to who we want?????? > >AMEN!!! Haggis, are you listening also? > >Mark > Loud and clear, Mark sweetie! Are you…? > -Haggis
Mark is cross-posting flames to several other newsgroups, which is a guaranteed invitation to bring all of THOSE folks over here to ast to return the flames … Fun. BB2
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In article <372D81B4.51B94…@home.com>, BlessedBy2 <blessed…@home.com> writes: >Mark is cross-posting flames to several other newsgroups, which is a >guaranteed invitation to bring all of THOSE folks over here to ast to return >the flames … >Fun. >BB2
MARK! What do you want to do that for? Don’t you know that if you put ast goodies out in the sun, they will DRAW those kind of pesky insects? Sheesh, are you bored or somethin’? Tongue firmly in cheek, Arlene 276/258/160—-started Atkins 2/21/99 FAQ http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=381302050 http://people.delphi.com/elizjack/lowcarb.txt http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -TR Rules wrote: > Are you saying that he goes from hot to cold? Sounds to me like he is > >experiencing menopause. > >Mark > BWAAAHHHAAAAAA!!! Coffee spew alert!!! > Or maybe "Mr." Jessness is actually a woman who has PMS. > Male or female, I’m figuring "he’s" due for another round of WHATEVER it is > soon, anyway. INCOMING!!! > Arlene > 276/258/160—-started Atkins 2/21/99
Rolling on floor laughing my little (Okay so it ain’t little) fat ass off!!!! Mark
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BlessedBy2 wrote: > Mark is cross-posting flames to several other newsgroups, which is a > guaranteed invitation to bring all of THOSE folks over here to ast to return > the flames … > Fun. > BB2
BB2, Now I know your totally crackers. AST is the only group that I ever read. Where in the hell did you get the idea that I was cross posting? I knew you had problems but this is ridiculous. To which group am I supposedly cross posting? Mark
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In article <372CCDA2.1B458…@earthlink.net>, lilh…@earthlink.net writes: >> Mr. Jessness has been doing this for about 3-4 years now. I remmeber >> what happened when he first shown up. >> I would almost say though that he is bi-polar the way he comes and goes >> 
>> — >> Louis J Bouchard >Are you saying that he goes from hot to cold? Sounds to me like he is >experiencing menopause. >Mark
BWAAAHHHAAAAAA!!! Coffee spew alert!!! Or maybe "Mr." Jessness is actually a woman who has PMS. Male or female, I’m figuring "he’s" due for another round of WHATEVER it is soon, anyway. INCOMING!!! Arlene 276/258/160—-started Atkins 2/21/99 FAQ http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=381302050 http://people.delphi.com/elizjack/lowcarb.txt http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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Cheryl Ellis wrote: > Why don’t you take a flying leap to another group and leave those of us > alone who want to listen to who we want??????
AMEN!!! Haggis, are you listening also? Mark
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Louis J Bouchard wrote: > It is one thing when then express themselves. > It is another thing when they continuously attack people as well a stalk > them. > Mr. Jessness has been doing this for about 3-4 years now. I remmeber > what happened when he first shown up. > I would almost say though that he is bi-polar the way he comes and goes > > — > Louis J Bouchard
Are you saying that he goes from hot to cold? Sounds to me like he is experiencing menopause. Mark
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k…@my-dejanews.com wrote: > In article <id6U2.2490$Up1.40…@sapphire.mtt.net>, > "Cheryl Ellis" <cel…@north.nsis.com> wrote: > > Why don’t you take a flying leap to another group and leave those of us > > alone who want to listen to who we want?????? > Because he has the right to express himself just like anyone > else, and you can ignore the information if you want to. > Karena Jones
This must be Brad’s wife or current shack up that is. Mark
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Why don’t you take a flying leap to another group and leave those of us alone who want to listen to who we want??????
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In article <id6U2.2490$Up1.40…@sapphire.mtt.net>, "Cheryl Ellis" <cel…@north.nsis.com> wrote: > Why don’t you take a flying leap to another group and leave those of us > alone who want to listen to who we want??????
Because he has the right to express himself just like anyone else, and you can ignore the information if you want to. Karena Jones Curiojon…@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/senate/7736/aq.html Leslie Packer, Michael Aquino, Cults ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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<sigh> … This is where we remind newcomers that these posts are originating outside of alt.support.tourette, are cross-posted to several newsgroups, and are not coming from ast regulars. Participating in the thread or asking them to stop posting here will not help. BB2 – Queen of Mars
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It is one thing when then express themselves. It is another thing when they continuously attack people as well a stalk them. Mr. Jessness has been doing this for about 3-4 years now. I remmeber what happened when he first shown up. I would almost say though that he is bi-polar the way he comes and goes — Louis J Bouchard Rochester NY USA ljb9…@osfmail.isc.rit.edu OR http://www.cs.rit.edu/~ljb9296 ——————————————— "Only when you are surrounded by those who are diffrent, do you truly belong." Fred Tate Little Man Tate
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Those **facts** on Ms. Packer are NOTHING. Look what I learned looking over what has been written about her on the newsgroups: Things that have been written about Leslie Packer (quoting): "I’ve heard that Leslie Packer abuses her young children by having THEM vote for the "kooks" she selects for "awards" on alt.usenet.kooks !!! I have seen evidence that she has done this repeatedly. So not only do we have a psychologist doing something unethical, but involving her children !!! This is the same woman that completely blames an FDA approved drug for making her child suicidal !!!!!! Some have other ideas !!!!" AND "Leslie Packer: Mother of the Year ? NO !! Not hardly !!! She had a child (of her own) suicidal at at 7 y.o., blamed it all on a FDA approved drug, and yet years later was having her children post to abusive "kook" newsgroups so that the "kooks" she wanted elected "official "kooks" would be elected !!!!! What a mother !!!! What motives ! Combine this with a "therapist" with no graduate degree in either counseling or clinical psycholgy and the fact the she, through her hostile approach, has brought all the sci.psychology.* newsgroups to ruin and you have a pretty good idea of the kind of "mother" she is !!! No jugment, no demonstrated abilities. AND: It is not above Leslie to repeat unfounded allegations libelously AND to support others who do so and who both threaten to stalk, and threaten physical assault !!! She is an aider and abbetter !!!" AND "Fact is: Leslie Packer has a history on the internet newsgroups of harassing people and abusing people by repeating over and over and over unfounded allegations and lies. She also intentionally and maliciously misrepresents things and is libelous. She is biased, hostile, and cannot be trusted for good information either. She is an unethical practitioner with a poor training background. She has no degree in Counseling or Clinical Psychology and obtained a license as a "psychologist" only through a loophole in the NY licensing laws. Licensing Loophole Leslie Packer has declared her friendship once again publicly for the libelous, psychopathic thug, Peter Hood. Peter has three separate times threatened a certain individual with physical assault (and his anger was caused by totally false allegations he believed and promulgated). This is the sort of person you listen to an an "expert" here. For evidence see sci.psychology.psychotherapy ("Peter Hood’s Fan Club")." AND "You should also be reminded that LIcensing Loophole Leslie Packer has NO graduate degree in Clinical or Counseling Psychology, but rather has educational credentials only in Experimental Psychology (i.e. she is an old-time "rat runner" type — trained in the old days of behaviorism !!)" AND "Leslie Packer is a good friend of Peter Hood, to the point of declaring herself Peter Hood #2 and essentially starting a Peter Hood fan club. With that in mind the following about Leslie Packer should not be too surprising:" AND "I don’t want to discourage you, but for two FULL years someone named Leslie Packer with no graduate clinical degree set the norms for this group. While she has no graduate degree in Counseling or Clinical Psyc., she nonetheless (through loopholes in the licensing law of NY) has managed to secure a license as a practitioner. Other professionals have followed Leslie’s lead and several regular professionals in this newsgroup use the following norms of conduct.: (1) Attempt to pulverize all you do not like. (2) Stamp out "ad hominen"; replace it with getting "downright personal" — while at the same time declining all e-mail dialog. (3) Encourage any and all thugs and all methods (as long as not directly linked to spp or professionals there ) E.G.: Anonymous "FAQs" with personal information about opponents okay; voting for "kooks" in abuse newsgroups is okay; starting and using a special hate newsgroup to torment an opponent is okay. (4) Use aversive consequences over and over and harder and harder until enemies submit. (5) While endorsing (4), pretend one is being threatened if a post says that individuals behaving in a hostile manner will be "punished" (apparently "punished" is one of those "not okay words" — though this is odd for a so-called "psychologist"). (6) Collect all rumors and all allegations with or without any substantiation and encourage a madman to put them together on a web page and CD (7) Advocate nothing but aversive responses and welcome any and all such responses. (8) Mischaracterize and misrepresent everything (call each screen name an alias even if it is used with a well-known e-mail address and even if the posts are signed). (9) Gather "evidence" from everywhere, including support groups or e-mail. (10) Repeated negative things over and over, even if what you might be repeating is lies. (11) Go out of the newsgroup and contact whoever you might. (12) Harass ISPs by claiming things that didn’t happen and by exaggerating and misrepresenting things. Also harass ISPs by sending them anything or the same stuff over and over. (13) Appeal to your degrees and to authority whenever you can work it in !! (14) Harass opponents with repetitions of all this over and over. (15) "Milk" enforcing political correctness for all it’s worth (this helps mischaracterize and exaggerate things). There is one other rule (or norm) the "heavies" around here have used: #(16) Though you, the "psychologist", are an "authority" (supposedly) of a type, be sure to involve *OR pretend to involve* other "AUTHORITIES’ (usu. referred to as "the authorities") as "need" be. This accentuates ones own credibility and gives more punch to the slander, libel, or defamation of character you are engaging in. [ (Contacts with real doctors and with lawyers or with associations seems to be the best way to bolster the defensive, faltering ego.)] THESE ARE SOME OF THE MAIN NORMS OF THIS NEWSGROUP AND HAVE BEEN FOR 2 YEARS. Several psychologists who are regulars here followed Leslie’s lead. SORRY, BUT THIS NEWSGROUP IS A HATE GROUP." AND "All should know that through lies, libel, harassment, and all sorts of thuggery, Leslie Packer and her "friends" drive people with views she does not like off of Usenet. This is something we should never forget: Sci.psycholgy.psychotherapy (informally) and sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated (formally) is led by a group of proven thugs and hoodlums, INCLUDING professionals who will engage in unethical and even illegal activity. All this has been shown with direct incontrovertible evidence that is displayed on web pages. One of these individual’s ADMITTED wrong-doings is so glaring that no web page with evidence was necessary. What I am referring to is the conduct of John Price, Ph.D. This psychologist is a regular on sci.psychology.psychotherapy and is a "moderator" (censor) of the moderated newsgroup, sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated . He proudly admits he is the founder of alt.brad.jesness.die.die.die Dan Rogers, Ph.D., another psychologist who is a regular on spp AND a co-"moderator" (censor) for sppm has a long history of lying, libel, and other unethical conduct (including repeatedly misrepresenting the knowledge in the field). A small sampling of his unethical conduct may found at: [snip] Both the 2 individual described above (and Leslie Packer as well) are friends of the unethical U.K "qualified counselor" named Peter Hood. (This is believed to be his name despite the fact that currently he has said it is not his name. Ironically, he has criticized others repeatedly over the years for being anonymous, yet now claims he has misled people and been anonymous himself for 4 years ! Peter Hood has also claimed publications UNDER THE NAME "Peter Hood"). "Peter" is documented making threats of physical assault REPEATEDLY and has threatened to stalk Brad Jesness on an up-coming visit to the U.S. He has since AGAIN made more CRIMINAL THREATS of physical assault). This "Thug for Therapy" and good friend of John, Dan, Leslie and others has had his illegal threats documented at: http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=437640838&CONTEXT=917718880.68517… hitnum=78 Next, we have the spiritual leader of the thugs and unethical psychologists, Leslie Packer. She has admired ALL Peter’s efforts so much that she declared herself "Peter Hood #2" and began a "Peter Hood" fan club. Her negative contributions to Usenet and some of her unethical activity is displayed at: http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=437636746&CONTEXT=917718880.68517… hitnum=67 AND Well before the last time Leslie Packer repeated Diane Unterspan’s LIES (something she did malciously and without reasonable evidence again and again and again), she knew of this woman’s history of lying. That makes no difference to Packer (she KNEW of the web site listed below). Libel is no concern to her if her ultimate goal is to try to assassinate the character of someone whose views she simply can’t tolerate !! More generally, Packer has seen NO evidence for any of the serious libelous charges she makes in the 5 part ‘Net LIES and ABUSE posts. She makes several libelous charges that cannot be substantiated, knowingly and maliciously. It has also been shown that Packer herself tell blatant outright lies. All this is okay in Packer’s mind, as long as it is against the "right people" (i.t. the bad people). To Leslie, the end justifies the means. Do not trust this unethical person for ANYTHING."
