When you are sick . . .
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Jacqueline Aron, RN wrote: > Neither can I, and I’m stuck with 2 of them. I really hate cats.
Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they say! –Jared in WA, hoping not to start a religious argument (dogs vs. cats OR about using scripture out of context…)
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->A water bed won’t do, though I might be a place to begin. >The need to *rock* seems important. With a rocking chair, >you have volitional control with your feet. With a rocking >bed, things are a little different mechanically (as well as >the fact you end up falling asleep). >A good question is what direction one wants the rocking >motion to occur. This sounds like a *delicious* project for >a grant writer and researcher. >At the core, there is a very serious point here. There is >something about rocking that is immensely soothing, and a >rocking bed might be something really wonderful. >I would add that a rocking chair is also wonderful. Get the >right chair and you quickly find out how good it is as the >place to regain or maintain your composure. >– >Mark Odegard. Odeg…@ptel.net
We strung up a giant string hammock that Abby spends a *lot* of time in… We also have a hammock chair suspended from a swivel in our living room. This is in addition to the loveseat rocking chair, the gymnastics mat, and the balance beam. My husband says I like the unusual. I tell him he should be grateful 
. Karen in Maryland karen.rez…@idealink.washington.dc.us Resist militant "normality" — A mind is a terrible thing to erase.
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Posted to alt.support.tourette & e-mailed to lpac…@nyc.pipeline.com(Leslie E. Packer, PhD) who on 23 May 1996 17:27:39 GMT wrote: >OK, so tell me what direction you want the bed to rock in — do you want >sideways like a hammock motion would provide or do you want the head going >back and forth direction? >(I suspect the latter would be "bedder.")
I’m enjoying this thread, but I really *am* serious. Temple Grandin invented her hugging machine and it really seems to help people, whatever you might think. It just occured to me this talk of a rocking bed has a second meaning. No, I’m not naive, but this was the furthest thought from me when I started it, and made the previous responses. Really! (see what I mean about literalism, and not getting it?) This of course is a twin bed. No one can abide sleeping with me (my parents have had separate beds for *years* and one sister-in-law keeps threatening it with one of my brothers). I’m a thrasher, cover-hog and every other bad bedmate habit you can think of. I am told that I also twitch alarmingly when in furthest maximally unrousable Z-Land. I suspect my tourettic nephew is turning out this way too (his bed is like a tornado hit it in the morning). It seems a family trait. I’m not sure what direction you’d want the bed to rock in. This is an area for research. I think head to foot, but side to side might be better, or just as satisfactory. I need to figure out how to configure a hammock in a bedroom without wrecking the drywall. I also need to find where the hell you *buy* a hammock. — Mark Odegard. Odeg…@ptel.net
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Yes, yes, yes. Dog’s develop this licking tic usually with old age and the vet told us that it is definitely a mind thing. Our beloved Shane had this and when the vet told us it was like a tic, we laughed and said to each other it figures. But, it was devastating, self injurious and ended up being what caused us to have him put to rest. Nanci
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On May 23, 1996 16:15:00 in article <Re: When you are sick . . .>, ‘Jared Roberts <Ja…@cyberspace.com>’ wrote: >Jacqueline Aron, RN wrote: >> Neither can I, and I’m stuck with 2 of them. I really hate cats. >Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they say! >–Jared in WA, hoping not to start a religious argument (dogs vs. cats >OR about using scripture out of context…)
Want me to send them to you? (the cats) That would solve everyones problems, especially mine! — Jackie "face the sun, and the shadows will fall behind you."
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On May 23, 1996 23:54:27 in article <Re: When you are sick . . .>, ‘lpac…@nyc.pipeline.com(Leslie E. Packer, PhD)’ wrote: >Holy cow, Aron — are you trying to get me in more trouble than I’m already >in??? You left out the <grinning… bit> at the end of my message about >cats. Now I’m probably going to find my mailbox filled with hate mail from >cat lovers.
Tell ya what, Les. You send me that hate mail, cause it’s appropriate for me, and I’ll send you the damn cats. Waddya say?? — Jackie "face the sun, and the shadows will fall behind you."
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On May 24, 1996 03:31:06 in article <Re: When you are sick . . .>, ‘Odeg…@ptel.net (Mark Odegard)’ wrote: >I need to figure out how to configure a hammock in a bedroom >without wrecking the drywall. I also need to find where the >hell you *buy* a hammock.
First of all, you hang it from hooks that you screw into the beams of the cieling. Make sure that the hooks are rated for 300lbs or so. Make sure they are screwed into beams. You can locate the beams with a magnet, you know how to do that?(You’re actually looking for the nails in them.) LL Bean, Eddie Bauer, and all those out door places like campmor have hammocks. I know a lot about hammocks, I literally grew up on a boat, but they make me motion sick! <g> — Jackie "face the sun, and the shadows will fall behind you."
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Kathryn Taubert wrote: > There’s another theory of H.sapiens evolution which puts us squarely in > the middle of the water. The Aquatic Ape, as it were, who, due to > geological changes in the rift valley in (West) Africa, I believe, found > himself inundated. Forced us to stand upright, lose our body hair, > develop sebaceous glands, among other things. > Let’s really "blue sky" for a moment. Maybe "rocking" is analagous to > floating…
I remember back in 5th grade when my teacher read the book _21_balloons_ (or something like that), anyway, that and my all-time fave book, _Ender’s_Game_, got me thinking about weightlessness, and I wondered what it’d be like to sleep completely weightless… Hafta ask some NASA guy someday… –Jared in WA
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On May 22, 1996 19:49:16 in article <Re: When you are sick . . .>, ‘lpac…@nyc.pipeline.com(Leslie E. Packer, PhD)’ wrote: >BTW, did you know that most dogs tic? When I first saw Pavlov do >it, I thought I was going nutzoid… and just seeing tics everywhere <g>.
What tics does he have? I know most dogs often make running motions when they sleep, but I thought that was dreaming, not ticcing. I didn’t know dogs ticced! How about cats? — Jackie "face the sun, and the shadows will fall behind you."
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On May 23, 1996 17:27:44 in article <Re: When you are sick . . .>, ‘lpac…@nyc.pipeline.com(Leslie E. Packer, PhD)’ wrote: >ogs have a licking tic (Acral something or other… I forget the name >right now). It’s been used a model for studying tic disorders in some >research programs. And any vet can tell you about it. Sometimes the dogs >lick themselves so much that they lick off the hair or create sores on >their skin.
I know about that, they create what’s called "hot spots." I thought that was in response to some sort of stimulus in the area. >I don’t know about cats. I still can’t figure out why they’re allowed to >exist
Neither can I, and I’m stuck with 2 of them. I really hate cats. Jackie "face the sun, and the shadows will fall behind you."
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A rocking bed—interesting idea–maybe the next "pet rock"or should I say, "stairmaster." Any innovative and creative engineers out there?
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Posted to alt.support.tourette & e-mailed to lpac…@nyc.pipeline.com(Leslie E. Packer, PhD) who on 22 May 1996 19:49:16 GMT wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->On May 22, 1996 02:48:26 in article <Re: When you are sick . . .>, >’Odeg…@ptel.net (Mark Odegard)’ wrote: >>How does one invent a rocking bed? It’s balance (center of >>gravity) plus basic lever action, where just a twitch would >>send the bed gently rocking, or perhaps a small electric >>motor. It’d probably make some people crazy, but for others >>of us, it might be a godsend. >>Invent a better mousetrap . . . >– ><smiling> Since your earlier post, it’s really been on the back of my mind >– how you’d accomplish that in a (hopefully) simple way. It seems to me >that it might be easier to accomplish with a water bed than a regular one >– unless your rocking has to be totally consistent in its rhythm and/or >only in one direction (e.g., side to side?), which it might for some >people. What kind are you willing to accept? Let’s design it <G>.
Taking you *seriously* . . . A water bed won’t do, though I might be a place to begin. The need to *rock* seems important. With a rocking chair, you have volitional control with your feet. With a rocking bed, things are a little different mechanically (as well as the fact you end up falling asleep). A good question is what direction one wants the rocking motion to occur. This sounds like a *delicious* project for a grant writer and researcher. At the core, there is a very serious point here. There is something about rocking that is immensely soothing, and a rocking bed might be something really wonderful. I would add that a rocking chair is also wonderful. Get the right chair and you quickly find out how good it is as the place to regain or maintain your composure. — Mark Odegard. Odeg…@ptel.net
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On May 21, 1996 16:56:21 in article <When you are sick . . .>, ‘Odeg…@ptel.net (Mark Odegard)’ wrote: >When you are sick enough to *want* to take to your bed, all >you want is to go to sleep and let it take its course. There >were times, though, when I was only drowsing, half-asleep. >At this time, the body aches, especially on ones in my legs >really bothered me. I had to "shake", a very deliberate >rocking of my body. Once I shook myself, I felt better.
– I have recently been aware of something that goes on when I first get in bed. I have done it for a long time, but only really gave it any thought recently. I dunno if it is a tic or what. The fact that it usually only happens in bed argues against it being a tic, but rather some sort of compulsive behavior, but it *feels* like tic. I do it unconscoiously. (oppps! Sorry, Leslie) What I do is that all the muscles in my butt and my legs start sort of an isometric thing. I guess if I were standing I would be twictching as the muscles contract strongly. I go thru a cople of cycles of this, then I’m done. I have no control over it, and feel better when it’s over. Jackie "face the sun, and the shadows will fall behind you."
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>I think that there may be two different mechanisms going on there. The >research with the babies… and also with motherless monkeys, does show >positive effects of rocking. One hypothesis is that it is a kind of >stimulation that affects the vestibular system.
Isn’t another that the rhythm of rocking is roughly analogous to the mother’s heartbeat in utero, which leads the individual to "recall" those warm, safe, comfy feelings near mommie’s heart? KAT in CT
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I suspect >H. sapiens s. ourselves were sometimes still sleeping in >trees even a few thousands of years ago. With all that >evolutionary stuff behind it (tens of millions of years), >there may be something here. >How does one invent a rocking bed?
There’s another theory of H.sapiens evolution which puts us squarely in the middle of the water. The Aquatic Ape, as it were, who, due to geological changes in the rift valley in (West) Africa, I believe, found himself inundated. Forced us to stand upright, lose our body hair, develop sebaceous glands, among other things. Let’s really "blue sky" for a moment. Maybe "rocking" is analagous to floating… (If anybody’s interested in some titles on the Aquatic Ape theory, email me. Once again, I’m upstairs and they’re all downstairs…) KAT in CT
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In article <4nssop$…@cronkite.polaristel.net>, Odeg…@ptel.net (Mark Odegard) writes: >the need to "rock" is something worth further investigation. >There’s the more-than anecdotal evidence of how some very >fussy babies who refuse to settle down almost *instantly* >conk out once you take them for a drive in the car.
Mark, I could only get my son to take a nap as an infant w/1 of the following methods: 1) putting him in the "swing" and cranking it all the way up! 2) riding in the car. 3) putting him in the stroller, and if not going outside, either stroll thru the house or if I needed a break, too, pushing it back and forth w/my foot while I was sitting down to let my own body relax. Once in a great while, he might doze off while laying down & listening to music or w/me holding him so his head could rest on my shoulder and walking thru the house. He wasn’t what most people think of as a "fussy" baby tho – the above methods had to be used even if he wasn’t over-tired & cranky but obviously needed a break from the day’s activity (he’d be pleasant & smiling but obviously tired). Sue
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Posted to alt.support.tourette & e-mailed to suedri…@aol.com (SueDriver) who on 21 May 1996 18:09:52 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –0400 wrote: >In article <4nssop$…@cronkite.polaristel.net>, Odeg…@ptel.net (Mark >Odegard) writes: >>the need to "rock" is something worth further investigation. >>There’s the more-than anecdotal evidence of how some very >>fussy babies who refuse to settle down almost *instantly* >>conk out once you take them for a drive in the car. >Mark, >I could only get my son to take a nap as an infant w/1 of the following >methods: > 1) putting him in the "swing" and cranking it all the way up! > 2) riding in the car. > 3) putting him in the stroller, and if not going outside, either stroll >thru the house or > if I needed a break, too, pushing it back and forth w/my foot while >I was sitting > down to let my own body relax. >Once in a great while, he might doze off while laying down & listening to >music or w/me holding him so his head could rest on my shoulder and >walking thru the house. He wasn’t what most people think of as a "fussy" >baby tho – the above methods had to be used even if he wasn’t over-tired & >cranky but obviously needed a break from the day’s activity (he’d be >pleasant & smiling but obviously tired).
I’m again stimulated into musings on the "phylogenically primitive" behavior theory. We are apes who came down from the trees (like our first cousins, the chimps). But chimps like to sleep in trees even yet. I imagine you’d "rock" if you were nested for the night up in a tree branch. I suspect H. sapiens s. ourselves were sometimes still sleeping in trees even a few thousands of years ago. With all that evolutionary stuff behind it (tens of millions of years), there may be something here. How does one invent a rocking bed? It’s balance (center of gravity) plus basic lever action, where just a twitch would send the bed gently rocking, or perhaps a small electric motor. It’d probably make some people crazy, but for others of us, it might be a godsend. Invent a better mousetrap . . . — Mark Odegard. Odeg…@ptel.net
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I need to document this. Yesterday, I had a bout of what seems to be the flu (perhaps the same bug that felled Gov. Weld of Mass.), and more proximally, the same one that puked-out my 5 year old nephew, Joey (Matt’s "normal" brother). When you are sick enough to *want* to take to your bed, all you want is to go to sleep and let it take its course. There were times, though, when I was only drowsing, half-asleep. At this time, the body aches, especially on ones in my legs really bothered me. I had to "shake", a very deliberate rocking of my body. Once I shook myself, I felt better. This is not something new, but is *always* with me whenever I have a flu or flu-like bug afflicting me. What’s interesting is that this need to shake can be fulfilled only as a direct volitional act. There are also some dream-state things that go on too, but I cannot quite remember them; mostly, it seems I have to "click" my eyelids to make the shake work (but this might be a dream). What’s interesting here is that ticcing is not exacerbated by sickness (which in others really can be), but the need to engage in tic-like motions is. The other thing is that I had a "shine". I’ve spoken of this before, and spoken of it in specifically flu-like terms. The flu-like feelings are different, unique, but the shine associated can appear even when I don’t have the flu. It’s a sensation that can be relieved only by exercising the muscles and sometimes, by a scalding hot bath. It occured to me that I wanted a "rocking bed", more than a water bed, something with a gentle rocking motion that would nicely shake all my muscle groups. Maybe a hammock and sleeping bag. Another thought: for those of us who have problems getting to sleep once we get into bed (no matter HOW tired we are), the need to "rock" is something worth further investigation. There’s the more-than anecdotal evidence of how some very fussy babies who refuse to settle down almost *instantly* conk out once you take them for a drive in the car. — Mark Odegard. Odeg…@ptel.net
