Clinical Characteristics of Adults with Tics
Question:
"TSNW" <t…@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:40E0BF0A.92A307C6@optonline.net… > OBJECTIVE: This study was conducted to describe the natural course of > tic disorders over a long period of time
Then shouldn’t they have started with children rather than mean age: 31.4? A childs tics would possibly change, but an adults would pretty much stay the same over the 7 years. Wouldn’t they? Unless a change from the results of meds? > RESULTS: The adult patients with tic disorders could be classified into > the four groups:
IMHO, probably the same 4 groups they were classified in when they started. Am i not getting something here? A > CONCLUSIONS: Further investigation into the natural course and clinical > characteristics of adult TS needs to be done in order to acquire a > better understanding
Another words, more money please.
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Jodi wrote: > … more money please.
In the USA, we have the NIH passing out taxpayer dollars to a lot of career researchers, but this study was done in Japan … I wonder how it was funded. But … I think it’s fine that they looked at only adult patients, hopefully to gain more info about adult issues — there aren’t enough adult studies. We know more about how TS changes over time in children than we do about adult issues … — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com
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"Jodi" <hellofromj…@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:10e1rmrkhpal291@corp.supernews.com… > "TSNW" <t…@optonline.net> wrote in message > news:40E0BF0A.92A307C6@optonline.net… > > OBJECTIVE: This study was conducted to describe the natural course of > > tic disorders over a long period of time > Then shouldn’t they have started with children rather than mean age: 31.4? > A childs tics would possibly change, but an adults would pretty much stay > the same over the 7 years. Wouldn’t they? Unless a change from the results > of meds?
I don’t believe just because one is an adult means that one’s tics stay the same over seven years! For some people maybe, but I don’t believe that’s true for the majority of us! Jo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > RESULTS: The adult patients with tic disorders could be classified into > > the four groups: > IMHO, probably the same 4 groups they were classified in when they started. > Am i not getting something here? > A > CONCLUSIONS: Further investigation into the natural course and clinical > > characteristics of adult TS needs to be done in order to acquire a > > better understanding > Another words, more money please.
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"Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:2-adnYDkZfhBEXzdRVn-ug@comcast.com… > I don’t believe just because one is an adult means that one’s tics > stay the same over seven years!
My sons both have tics that were some of their first and have never left. Different ones come and go, but those are always there. For my older son it is heavy quick eye blinks and nose scrunches, for my younger son it is finger and mouth stretches. I call it their "core" tics. Do most people not have these (core tics)? Jodi For some people maybe, but I don’t – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> believe that’s true for the majority of us! > Jo > > > RESULTS: The adult patients with tic disorders could be classified > into > > > the four groups: > > IMHO, probably the same 4 groups they were classified in when they > started. > > Am i not getting something here? > > A > CONCLUSIONS: Further investigation into the natural course and > clinical > > > characteristics of adult TS needs to be done in order to acquire a > > > better understanding > > Another words, more money please.
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Jodi wrote: > My sons both have tics that were some of their first and have never left. > Different ones come and go, but those are always there. For my older son it > is heavy quick eye blinks and nose scrunches, for my younger son it is > finger and mouth stretches. I call it their "core" tics. Do most people > not have these (core tics)?
Until just a few years ago, I would have answered that my son’s "core" vocal tic had not changed for about six years — a gulpy thing he did in the back of his throat was there regardless of any other everchanging tics … but it’s been gone for a while, too, now that I think about it … so today, I would have to say that my son’s tics are ever changing and that there is no particular "core" tic any more … but all of these recent reports have just served to make me question how good we really are at observing, rating, or self-rating tics. Does our memory interfere ? I used to say my son never ticced while performing … well, the other night, I had to review some of his old videos for audition material … he ticced a lot more than I remembered, even though I may have been the only one to know it … Many used to blindly accept the notion that tics increased with puberty, until a study (which many people stridently rejected when it came out) showed that puberty wasn’t correlated with tic severity. Many assume(d) that tics increase(d) due to GABHS infections, and another study now claims that’s not true. Now someone claims tics don’t increase with "life events" … <arrrgh> … how much of what we know or think we know about tics is true, and how much is based on long-held notions or perception or myth??? "Knowledge is power" — certainly, knowing that tic severity isn’t correlated with puberty helps some face the idea of ticcing teenagers with less trepidation … so, even though I hope we’re not outright rejecting something that *could* turn out to be a valid observation, I just can’t get my arms around the idea that tic severity isn’t related to life events, although I still agree (with JMM) that they mostly probably have a life of their own … — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com
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"Jodi" <hellofromj…@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:10e39jlf4nsr80c@corp.supernews.com… > "Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:2-adnYDkZfhBEXzdRVn-ug@comcast.com… > > I don’t believe just because one is an adult means that one’s tics > > stay the same over seven years! > My sons both have tics that were some of their first and have never left. > Different ones come and go, but those are always there. For my older son it > is heavy quick eye blinks and nose scrunches, for my younger son it is > finger and mouth stretches. I call it their "core" tics. Do most people > not have these (core tics)? > Jodi
For the longest time, my son had the eye blinking and nose scruntches. That’s what started it all the "labelling" But then when he started to swear and yell and say all kinds of nasty things, his motor tics seem to be less. He does still get motor tics like finger stretching, banging and touching. But when he’s really swearing and yelling, he seems to have less motor tics. Anyone else noticed that? — Joanne mom to Mat the Amazing!
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‘Twas Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:33:01 -0700 when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as "Jodi" <hellofromj…@NOSPAMcharter.net> uttered: >> OBJECTIVE: This study was conducted to describe the natural course of >> tic disorders over a long period of time
You snipped "in Japanese adults patients" here. Why? >Then shouldn’t they have started with children rather than mean age: 31.4? >A childs tics would possibly change, but an adults would pretty much stay >the same over the 7 years. Wouldn’t they? Unless a change from the results >of meds?
The objective was to study tic changes in adults. My tics change over time. I notice that when I read things I posted here years ago my tics have changed. I don’t have multi-colored kittie tics. I still say "I love the white kittie" or "I love the black kittie" or "I love the black and white kittie" or (rarely) "I love the purple kittie" but I haven’t said "I love the black and purple black and white and yellow purple kittie" in years. I don’t go through numerical progressions either. I might say "one hundred dollars" or "one hundred thousand dollars" but not "one hundred dollars, one hundred one dollars, on hundred seven dollars". — RB |
