MEDICATION ?-HELP!
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Oh geez, we just took our son to the doctor today for this very same problem!!! He took him off of ritalin, and prescribed paxil, adderall and haldol. :-( We’ve scheduled another appt with a Doctor that specializes in ADHD, etc. Our family doc thinks that he may have tourettes or OCD. We had an incident the other nite that spurred us to call the doc…..he was so enraged, I thought he was going to give himself a stroke. On top of that, after he was sent to his room, he was just in there arguing with HIMSELF over and over, and then got very paranoid and thought we were talking about him or laughing at him. Our doc said that his recent increase of Ritalin dose could have caused that—-the paranoia. If anyone has any info about any of this, I too would like to hear it! Thanks Marla – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My son has ocd and adhd . He is 14 and is on adderall, luvox for ocd. He takes 7.5 mg adderral 3x a day and 100mg luvox 2x a day. His attention is pretty good-yet he gets into these long drawn out battles with mom and dad over rules- or over something so stupid that he will fight and insist on his way for a couple of hours-Does anyone have a similiar situation and if so has found what helps-He is totally unrational at the times he gets so angry yet engages everyone because he will not leave you alone-even if you insist and close the door-he will continue fighting with you outside the door-Very hard to live with these outbursts of anger-rules with him are very difficult to make and stick with because he will argue to death an issue to insist on his own way! Help please! Is this ocd or adhd or just a behavioral problem?
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Sounds like possibly ODD–oppositional defiant disorder. My son was diagnosed with it, but I’m leery of the label because it only shows up at home–never at school, sports, camp, etc. He can be such a pain! (Comes by it natually–I’m also a real anti-authority type, but mine only showed up outside my house.) ANyway, our neurologist says that Effluxor can be prescribed in such cases. Personally, I just don’t play. I read "The Explosive Child" and gave up arguing. I tell him it’s my way or the highway and that when he’s able to talk rather than rant, I’ll listen, rather than defend. It’s better than it was: he still tries to engage us in combat, but I can tell that sometimes it’s just to stir stuff up. Kate Coe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh geez, we just took our son to the doctor today for this very same problem!!! He took him off of ritalin, and prescribed paxil, adderall and haldol. :-( We’ve scheduled another appt with a Doctor that specializes in ADHD, etc. Our family doc thinks that he may have tourettes or OCD. We had an incident the other nite that spurred us to call the doc…..he was so enraged, I thought he was going to give himself a stroke. On top of that, after he was sent to his room, he was just in there arguing with HIMSELF over and over, and then got very paranoid and thought we were talking about him or laughing at him. Our doc said that his recent increase of Ritalin dose could have caused that—-the paranoia. If anyone has any info about any of this, I too would like to hear it! Thanks Marla My son has ocd and adhd . He is 14 and is on adderall, luvox for ocd. He takes 7.5 mg adderral 3x a day and 100mg luvox 2x a day. His attention is pretty good-yet he gets into these long drawn out battles with mom and dad over rules- or over something so stupid that he will fight and insist on his way for a couple of hours-Does anyone have a similiar situation and if so has found what helps-He is totally unrational at the times he gets so angry yet engages everyone because he will not leave you alone-even if you insist and close the door-he will continue fighting with you outside the door-Very hard to live with these outbursts of anger-rules with him are very difficult to make and stick with because he will argue to death an issue to insist on his own way! Help please! Is this ocd or adhd or just a behavioral problem?
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In and among *whatever* else you do, try, (I know it’s nearly impossible) but, try as best you can to ignore the troublesome behaviours, then on the few occaisions when he is more congenial, go out of your way to praise, reinforce, encourage, give attention to, etc., your son. To me, it sounds like he may be strugging with a sort of issue of his own, that being, can he *ever* be *right* at all. So, whenver he is right about even the stupidest little thing, go out of your way to point it out. And praise him for it, that type of thing. Uhm, by your post, sounds like attention span isn’t *even* a
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My son has ocd and adhd . He is 14 and is on adderall, luvox for ocd. He takes 7.5 mg adderral 3x a day and 100mg luvox 2x a day. His attention is pretty good-yet he gets into these long drawn out battles with mom and dad over rules- or over something so stupid that he will fight and insist on his way for a couple of hours-Does anyone have a similiar situation and if so has found what helps-He is totally unrational at the times he gets so angry yet engages everyone because he will not leave you alone-even if you insist and close the door-he will continue fighting with you outside the door-Very hard to live with these outbursts of anger-rules with him are very difficult to make and stick with because he will argue to death an issue to insist on his own way! Help please! Is this ocd or adhd or just a behavioral problem?
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It was my (possibly flawed) understanding that ODD showed up everywhere. That’s why I’m not as quick to say I have a kid with ODD–I do have a son who is occasionally a pain in the rear. I thought CD involved severe acting out and ODD was "just" mouthing off, purposly being annoying, etc. I don’t know what you’ve been reading, so I can’t comment. Kate Coe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’m a little confused. several weeks ago, someone responded to a post saying that ODD is apparent "in all settings". in this thread, this person said; but I’m leery of the label because it only shows up at home–never at school, sports, camp, etc. everything that i have been reading elsewhere states that ODD behavior is usually directed at people that they familiar with. usually family members and in the home, and sometimes it is directed at just one person in the family. on the other hand, CD (conduct disorder), is usually directed toward social peers and complete strangers, and not usually toward friends and family. have i been reading the wrong stuff ?? bill ps to the person with the concerns about her husband’s reaction; you should be able to find some good books at your local library that will help you. look for books about AD/HD/LD with "AND THE FAMILY" in the title. sorry, i can’t remember a specific title, but i found several books that were really helpful in our small town library. respectfully, bill
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It was my (possibly flawed) understanding that ODD showed up everywhere. That’s why I’m not as quick to say I have a kid with ODD–I do have a son who is occasionally a pain in the rear. I thought CD involved severe acting out and ODD was "just" mouthing off, purposly being annoying, etc.
Actually, it was explained to me that the ODD will show up more at home because the child is comfortable with his/her parents and knows exactly what buttons to push and doesn’t care how far they’re pushed. Once the child becomes familiar in school settings, though, it can show up there, too. My eldest, though, reserved his defiance for us (lucky us!). I am continually amazed by people telling me what good, polite boys I have. Hmmm. — Ann Illegitimi non Carborundum annbal*at*thecia*dot*net
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Exactly! My kids survived their uncle’s wedding with showers of applause from both my husband’s very WASPy family as well as their new auntie’s very Conservative Jewish side. (Although when the bride’s sister, who had a very lively little guy asked me how we did it–I told her we beat them! But she lives in Tel Aviv, so I’d say that’s the problem right there–we all know how aggressive Israeli men are!) Anyhow, if they can control it– is it *really* ODD? I’m confused on this one. Kate Coe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was my (possibly flawed) understanding that ODD showed up everywhere. That’s why I’m not as quick to say I have a kid with ODD–I do have a son who is occasionally a pain in the rear. I thought CD involved severe acting out and ODD was "just" mouthing off, purposly being annoying, etc. Actually, it was explained to me that the ODD will show up more at home because the child is comfortable with his/her parents and knows exactly what buttons to push and doesn’t care how far they’re pushed. Once the child becomes familiar in school settings, though, it can show up there, too. My eldest, though, reserved his defiance for us (lucky us!). I am continually amazed by people telling me what good, polite boys I have. Hmmm. — Ann Illegitimi non Carborundum annbal*at*thecia*dot*net
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Exactly! My kids survived their uncle’s wedding with showers of applause from both my husband’s very WASPy family as well as their new auntie’s very Conservative Jewish side. (Although when the bride’s sister, who had a very lively little guy asked me how we did it–I told her we beat them! But she lives in Tel Aviv, so I’d say that’s the problem right there–we all know how aggressive Israeli men are!) Anyhow, if they can control it– is it *really* ODD? I’m confused on this one.
Here are my thoughts about "controlling it", not from an ODD perspective, because I don’t know much about that, but from a depression and ADD perspective. When I was depressed I could "control it" in the sense that I could affect my mood to some extent. This kept me from getting help for a long long time, because I felt that if I just tried harder, or came up with a better technique I could beat this thing. I finally realized that even though I had some control over my mood on a minute by minute basis, I could not stop my depression. ADD is similar. I can pay attention by force of will for a minute or five minutes. But no matter how hard I try, or what techniques I use, I can’t adequately manage my attention on a macro basis. So my guess is that with ODD, yeah they can control it to some extent, some of the time. This isn’t that same as saying they can get rid of it if they want to. — "Watch me. I have many skills" Xena: Warrior Princess
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Anyhow, if they can control it– is it *really* ODD? I’m confused on this one.
LOL, Kate, I understand your confusion! I think this is one of the reasons it is so hard to deal with ODD, you *know* they actually are in control but just won’t do it….aurrgghhh! — Ann Illegitimi non Carborundum annbal*at*thecia*dot*net http://www.annzoid.com
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My son has ocd and adhd . He is 14 and is on adderall, luvox for ocd. He takes 7.5 mg adderral 3x a day and 100mg luvox 2x a day. His attention is pretty good-yet he gets into these long drawn out battles with mom and dad over rules- or over something so stupid that he will fight and insist on his way for a couple of hours-Does anyone have a similiar situation and if so has found what helps-He is totally unrational at the times he gets so angry yet engages everyone because he will not leave you alone-even if you insist and close the door-he will continue fighting with you outside the door-Very hard to live with these outbursts of anger-rules with him are very difficult to make and stick with because he will argue to death an issue to insist on his own way! Help please! Is this ocd or adhd or just a behavioral problem?
